[TrashMan]

That's your impression...because you have a limited view/idea of what SC should be and what kind of experience it should deliver.

To be perfectly blunt nad honest, I find your critics silly. Ships aren't designs for dogfighting? What does that even mean? That they have to have specific shapes and looks? That's bolloks.

CS makes sheps feel and look REAL. That does more for dogfighting than spikes of villany or whatever.

[MatthTheGeek]

It's all irrelevant anyway. All the SC data is nothing more than glorified placeholders waiting to be replaced by modders.

[Phantom Hoover]

Although all this polish does put a pretty big hurdle in the way of amateur creators. Didn't you say one possibility for the reason the Uhlan's not working was that it was missing some animation or other?

[The E]

Thing is though, they do have promised to release design documents and how-tos at some point in the future, so that modders can create content for it.

[Phantom Hoover]

Oh, that's a relief then.

[MatthTheGeek]

Although all this polish does put a pretty big hurdle in the way of amateur creators. Didn't you say one possibility for the reason the Uhlan's not working was that it was missing some animation or other?

I need to try again, from what I've read recently on the forums it might simply be because my SDK version was outdated (there's been a new version released a couple weeks ago or something).

Thing is though, they do have promised to release design documents and how-tos at some point in the future, so that modders can create content for it.

They definitely confirmed they'd release entire mod tools, including plugins for modelling programs.

But yeah, the hangar is not exactly modding friendly at that point, nor was it ever intended to be.

[TrashMan]

Thing is though, they do have promised to release design documents and how-tos at some point in the future, so that modders can create content for it.

I have been buggingthem to also release various assets - like chairs, pannels, screens, etc and various other stuff used to "decorate" interiors and exteriors. Also clear examples.

IIRC, they will do it, and the tools should include the Hornet as an example.

[MatthTheGeek]

Stop bugging them. There is so much that is going to change in the future that releasing assets or modding advice now would be counterproductive both for us and them.

[Deathsnake]

Try to get with the Buggy under the Hornet and what did I see?

One of the two missileracks

Hornet had 8 FF (Fire & Forget) Missiles - Lucky if four 325 are behind you 4 Kills more

[MatthTheGeek]

Didn't manage to put the lancer in the hangar but I've got them both side by side in the SDK.

CLOSE ENOUGH

(Lancer scale is approximative).

And in other news



Collision mesh is a bit in the way, but managed to export the P52 to obj without too much trouble. This should become importable in FSO.




EDIT: Anyone willing to give a shot at toying with SC models

Extract .cgf files (.cga won't work) from your .pak files (with winrar or 7zip, they're just renamed .zip files).

DL Noesis (god that website is ugly)

DL the Cryengine plugin for Noesis and put it in your plugin folder.

Use noesis to export to whatever format you want (most 3d formats are available, including dae).

Thing will be in several pieces all over the place though, I think it just breaks the submodel hierarchy.



The second option (the one with which I took the P52 screenshot) is to just load the cgf in the cryengine sandbox (just put all the SC pak in the GameSDK folder for the SDK to read em), put a ship anywhere as a brush and export the selection as obj. It merges all the subobjects together though, hence my issue with the collision mesh above.

[JGZinv]

Have you tried any of the other rippers like http://www.deep-shadows.com/hax/3DRipperDX.htm
3Dvia or similar?

I'd do it, but my home rig can't run SC.

[Phantom Hoover]

So what's this about texture maps?

[Aesaar]

What's what about texture maps?

[TrashMan]

Stop bugging them. There is so much that is going to change in the future that releasing assets or modding advice now would be counterproductive both for us and them.

I didn't bug them to release it NOW, I'm not that stupid.
Just to release it when they can.

[Luis Dias]

I made a useless video
<snip>

This isn't useless, it's quite awesome!

[Hades]

I didn't bug them to release it NOW, I'm not that stupid.
Just to release it when they can.

I'm sure that you're important enough to be telling them to release stuff that'd be a given to be in the game anyway. Yup yup, most definitely.

Also Matth, the main issue with direct porting SC ships into FSO is the mapping = it's a sort of tile texture with UV drawing on it or something to that effect, a technique we definitely do not have in FSO (if we did, maybe Trashman's ships would look passable)

[Aesaar]

As I understand it, it's that CE3 supports multiple different UV maps for a given surface, allowing you to tile a base hull texture, and them add properly mapped details on top of that.  It's also got support for decals.  Because FSO doesn't have any of these things, it quite simply isn't possible to import SC ships to FSO as they are.  And even if we could, it'd be a performance nightmare.  Including normal and specular maps, the Hornet has 48 different texture files, most of which are 2048x2048.

Their LOD models, on the other hand, do seem to be conventionally UV mapped, and they might be usable.

[TrashMan]

I didn't bug them to release it NOW, I'm not that stupid.
Just to release it when they can.

I'm sure that you're important enough to be telling them to release stuff that'd be a given to be in the game anyway. Yup yup, most definitely.

There's a difference between having to export stuff and search for it, and having all the stuff in a 3D format, ready and categorized for you, and given before game release with examples.

Also Matth, the main issue with direct porting SC ships into FSO is the mapping = it's a sort of tile texture with UV drawing on it or something to that effect, a technique we definitely do not have in FSO (if we did, maybe Trashman's ships would look passable)

[Rodo]

Yeah that was really classy, from both of ya pals.

On topic, did any of you spend your UEC credits on this online store?
I'm tempted to get the CF-117 but afraid of wasting it on something and then getting better bang for buck trade later on, it's not like I have tons of money to invest in games so my perspective for further funds is quite limited.

[The E]

Nope. I'm waiting with purchases until I get to see them make a difference, not to mention that you can't buy upgrades for the Freelancer at the moment.