[TopAce]

Well, listen, it is complicated

As you probably noticed, your Ursa bomber fully packed with Helioses is as fast[slow ] as another Ursa without any bombs.
I think you should give all weapons(mostly secondaries) an $Weight value which defines how heavy the missile is in kilos, and how much speed does it gives your bomber when it is fired.
Like this:
Helios
$Weight: 2.0
Your bomber obtains +2 m/s when a Helios is fired.
The $Max velocity can stand for the velocity without any secondaries. The $Weight is decreased from the $Max velocity when the mission begins, and the $Weight of the fired missile is added to maximal velocity.

eeehhh .... understandable?

[kasperl]

sounds good, very good actually.

[Amon_Re]

Actually, at launch your machine should slow down abit due to the oposing forces.

(In zero gravity both would move into oposing directions)

Cheers

[TopAce]

so do you think that weight has no importance in space?
I don't know, I am not good at physics.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by TopAce
so do you think that weight has no importance in space?
I don't know, I am not good at physics.

'well, you would need more energy to change your speed and/or direction of movement, but since the FS2 physics aren;t really anywhere near the real stuff, i think this sounds better, with added turning imparity.

[Carl]

instead of speed, it should be acceleration and decceleration, as that's what extra mass would really effect. that and turning smoothness.

[Amon_Re]

Originally posted by TopAce
so do you think that weight has no importance in space?
I don't know, I am not good at physics.

If i'm not wrong it's not the weight thats important, but the mass

But since misiles have engines that (probably) have a thrust that pushes them out of their launchtubes, this thrust would most likely affect yuor ship.

Cheers

[TopAce]

I really don't want to think about heavy speed decrease, bombers are basically slow. Only around a 5-10 maximum scale.

[Amon_Re]

Originally posted by TopAce
I really don't want to think about heavy speed decrease, bombers are basically slow. Only around a 5-10 maximum scale.

I was thinking of a slowdown of a very short amount of time (say 1/2 second), not a constant slowdown, but just the initial push of the missile.

Cheers

[TopAce]

khmmm... that's a good idea
but the bomber is continously carrying the same amount of weight.
Bah! That's really complicated

[Amon_Re]

Well, less misiles should perhaps allow it accelerate faster, since there is less mass to pull.

Eg: full payload = Max speed in 10 seconds
No payload = Max speed in 5 seconds

It would be something like the kickback of a gun, a short slam on the break in a way, it might add to realism.

Cheers

[Flipside]

Well, for the first few seconds, yes, the Bomber would lose velocity because it is pushing something away in the direction it wants to go. But after that, there would be an increase in Top Speed, and a slight increase in acceleratiion to get there, since the mass of the bomber is slightly less, so the thrusters at full power would push it faster

Flipside

[Amon_Re]

I agree, but the increase in speed shouldn't be to high

Cheers

[Sandwich]

In space, bombers carry mass, not weight. Mass becomes weight when affected by gravity.

So, full bombers have more mass. The only effects this should have, like Carl said, is on acceleration/decceleration and maneuverability.

And if you wanted to get picky, then you could have a launched bomb/missile give a bit of kick-back to your ship as an equal and opposite reaction issue. Wouldn't really affect the gameplay any, since the actually change would be negligable, but the effect would be cool to experience.

[Lightspeed]

Every time a particle is launched off the ship in any direction, the ship would have to be accelerated to the opposite direction. Of course, firing a heavy bomb should push you back (like if you rammed), you can just go & accelerate back to normal speed. Primaries that fire particles would also push you back, but normally not enough to throw you back or even stop your ship (if youre flying at 50 m/s you'll prolly go down to 45 m/s or something like that ).
That'd be a really nice effect

-edit-

additional idea.

If this ever were implemeted we'd have new weapon ranges. You could have something like Nitro bursters that, when fired, create a strong blast so your ship will be thrown back at a high speed (especially useful to get out of some critical situations, or away from some missiles, out of a MS trap, etc.). The bad part about those bursters would be that they take up a missile bank so you'll have less missiles to shoot at your opponents

[Amon_Re]

Yup

Cheers

[Carl]

it definately would be cool, and maybe we could give the maxim a slight kickback, maybe -1mps per shot or so, just because it's be cool.

[TopAce]

just don't give it a heavy pushback. Like the one which occurs at AAA hit. The game would be less playable.

[Carl]

Originally posted by Lightspeed

additional idea...

that's pretty much what the afterburners are for, though.

[TopAce]

but to esape, you must turn away from your attackers, and use your afterburners. It pushes you backwards by default, If I understand LightSpeed well.