[Ace]

Originally posted by IceFire

That might be snuck in at some point.  The danger is of course that I'm prone to destroying well loved ships.  We do it a few times...

:devil:

...and I do something in one of the loop missions that will make most Derelict players cry

[Goober5000]

What, the MT Auriga escapes yet again?

[GrandAdmiralAbaht]

Kill Mackie?

[GrandAdmiralAbaht]

BTW, is the old GTD Toloman (Hades MOD) in this campaign?

[Jetmech Jr.]

No...not Mackie...

[Ace]

Originally posted by GrandAdmiralAbaht
BTW, is the old GTD Toloman (Hades MOD) in this campaign?

We aren't planning on the Hades MK2 being in BWO.

If we were truly wicked we wouldn't have announced the Golgotha and would have rumors about a new Hades in the campaign

Anyway as a response to High Max:

There are no Shivans in BWO.

If there were Shivans in the campaign, the take on them would be closer to how they're handled in Warzone more than Derelict.

However, let's just say there are few cooincidences in the BWO storyline...

As for cameos, it's no secret that there are quite a few. In fact a few main and reoccuring characters in BWO are in Warzone and Derelict. There are also a few characters from FS2 as well.

[Goober5000]

Will there be tie-ins to Twilight as well?

[Ace]

They're there, but more subtle. There's a few references to "The Vega Engagement" (the reworked version of Cardinal Spear and CS: Vega).

Most of them are things such as Talania being in a mission or two in Beta Aquilae, visiting Ribos in one, etc.

[GrandAdmiralAbaht]

They're more like different stories taking place in the same timeline.  Midly related.

BTW, if there are Twilight tie-ins, does that mean we could be seeing Admiral Soyavo, GTD Morgain, or the Scythes of Twilight sometime in the campaign, or at least mention of them?

[NGTM-1R]

Twilight IS still available for download.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010603012953rn_1/freespace.volitionwatch.com/twilight/

But only the ZIPs work, and there's some issue with the Blacktalon model that causes CTDs in missions featuring it. Goober has a fixed version of the Blacktalon somewhere.

[IceFire]

Yeah, we've got to make sure we rescue the work that Ace did do and put it on Cold Element.

[GrandAdmiralAbaht]

Yeah, Twilight was one of the greatest campaigns, even though it was so short.  It's story was so detailed, and you could tell that a lot of effort went into making it as authentic as possible.  It should be preserved on Cold Element, but the bugs with the Blacktalon should be cleaned out.

I am happy to hear that Ace, the great creator of Twilight, is working on BWO, thus serving as a guarantee that this campaign will be a fully emersive experience, and that the greatest efforts will be made to make it as authentic a campaign as possible.

[Taristin]

The blacktalon should be scrapped. It was a hideous excuse for a model. I don't care who made it, it was a capsule with a thruster.

[Gloriano]

Icefire, a couple download links are broken on the Cold Element website including Derelect, so I was forced to download Derelect off of the Volition Watch Archives today

Because they aren't uploaded to CE yet.

[Ace]

The bugs with the Creon (Blacktalon) and my general distate of it are why Twilight hasn't been re-released.

I was talking with Setekh a while back about doing new command briefing animations and someone fixing the model/making a new one.

Now if there were any volunteers for both remaking the Creon and doing new animations (even high quality still renders that match with the FS2 style) I'll gladly re-release the campaign.

Also the NPW-2 is not crap, it's just misunderstood (It has its uses... it is a good supporting weapon)

Anyway, Julia Talstavi has been reassigned to a new squadron in BWO. A certain member of Blackwater squadron who might be more endearing than Mackie has a crush on her

[Ace]

Twilight occurs in 2372. Also the plot does tie-in with BWO in some ways, so there's more closure then you'd think.

However, there won't be a re-release until there's a new version of the ship and new CB-animations as well.

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by Ace

Anyway, Julia Talstavi has been reassigned to a new squadron in BWO. A certain member of Blackwater squadron who might be more endearing than Mackie has a crush on her

Augggh! Cliche love interest!

*shot*

The NPW-2 is good against shields, bad against hulls. Give me a mix with that and the Maxim and I'll be a happy pilot.

What's wrong with the original CB animations, though? They were quite good, really.

[Goober5000]

I think so too.

If it were me, I'd just add the fixed Black Talon and upload the original campaign.  Then, when you get new stuff, upload the rerelease.  Sort of like Inferno with R1 and re-R1.

[Mad Bomber]

Going back to the talk of tie-ins, does anyone mind if I cameo'ed a few ships from Awakenings and Derelict into HFH?

[IceFire]

NPW-2C is introduced in BWO...its essentailly the same gun with a higher energy drain and more hull damage. Its almost worth it now

EMP cannon is fun too.

Tho, the Kayser/Prom S loadout, when available, its still the crushing blow.