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About the thing the Zy left behind. Spend a single action to investigate. Results of the scans/scouting/everything will be known next turn.  :drevil:
Of course you can also just leave it alone.  :drevil:

Spoon, the 2nd LSF did not move last turn and was on 100/100. So why is it now on 70/76?
I uh, huh  :confused:
I am not sure how that happened.

I shot them for not submitting orders.
That, or a clerical mistake miscounted ships.
That must be it. Or mass desertion because of too much smugness.

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I'd keep that Lieutenant if I were you,  :lol:
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Those lizards are going to pay

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@ Enioch - I'll get to the South, don't you worry. Later on today.

About the thing the Zy left behind. Spend a single action to investigate. Results of the scans/scouting/everything will be known next turn.  :drevil:
Of course you can also just leave it alone.  :drevil:

So then Jellyfish, you'll have to switch your Resupply to investigating this thing, if you want to check it out.

Spoon, the 2nd LSF did not move last turn and was on 100/100. So why is it now on 70/76?
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I uh, huh  :confused:
I am not sure how that happened.
Thanks.

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Very well.
A new fleet will be ready for you to command on turn 10.
If Torchwood shows up, can he still get his new fleet at Turn 9? If he doesn't, could we have a new fleet at Turn 9 and give it to someone else?

 

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(Manly tear for the loss of so many good Delest men and women).

Lorric, could you crunch some numbers on the southern front? I am thinking of attacking something (maybe the 2nd Hertak) and then retreating to Vega (and so I will deal damage while attacking AND while retreating, while ending up safely in a friendly system). I can also just prepare a barrage and stay in Draco and try to weather the assault of the 2nd Hertak + 3rd Nordera +4th Nordera fleets. Would that kill me? ( I think so). Should I just run?

And regarding the rout of the 4th Fura: it's not just the damage they took. Remember that they were in Draco when I took out the 1st Hertak. It might be that the destruction of their masters sapped their will to fight.

Can somebody kill the 1st Nordera? It's ridiculous that they are still alive at turn 6.

And do you want to bet that what the Zy left behind is a Knossos, to allow the Hertak to attack us from behind?

Alright, it took me longer than I expected to get to this, but here we go. Oh and good point about the Hertak masters going down, I was talking about that on an earlier turn and somehow forgot. I believe you are right, and it was the 1st Hertak that inspired the Fura'ngle to Normal morale in the first place.

Okay, I believe we should have a triple attack on the 1st Nordera:

2nd DD Fleet:
- Fighter attack strength: 16+8=24 (18+2+2)
- Capital attack strength: 16+8=24 (17+2)
- Fighters at 78% Strength, 3rd Gen
- Capital ships at 80% Strength
- Morale: Very High
- Barrage on Cooldown, Available again on Turn 8
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2nd LSF Fleet:
- Fighter attack strength: 22+8=30 (19+2+1)
- Capital attack strength: 15+11=26 (14+1)
- Fighters at 100% Strength, 3rd Gen
- Capital ships at 100% Strength
- Morale: High

Cyrvan Star Armada: 1/1
1st CSA Fleet:
- Fighter attack strength: 23+10=33 (23)
- Capital attack strength: 20+12=32 (20)
- Fighters at 100% Strength
- Capital ships at 100% Strength
- Morale: Normal

vs.

1st Nordera Fleet:
Fighter attack strength: 15+6=21 (10+1)
Capital attack strength: 12+8=20 (8+1)
Fighters at 136% Strength
Capital ships at 137% Strength
Morale: High

7/7 damage to each ally fleet.
87/82 inflicted.
Nordera down to 49/55.

That’ll cut them down to size nicely at minimal cost.

I’ve then calculated the max enemy retaliation:

Strongest available enemy attack:

1st Fura'ngle Fleet (I THINK)
Fighter attack strength: 15+11=26 (16-2)
Capital attack strength: 21+8=29 (20-2)
Fighters at 109% Strength
Capital ships at 114% Strength
Morale: Very Low

2nd Hertak Fleet:
Fighter attack strength: 15+10=25 (22)
Capital attack strength: 20+8=28 (30)
Fighters at 66% Strength
Capital ships at 68% Strength
Morale: Normal

4th Nordera Fleet
Fighter attack strength: 12+5=17 (10+2)
Capital attack strength: 10+6=16 (8+2)
Fighters at 100% Strength
Capital ships at 100% Strength
Morale: Very High

Estimated Max Damage - 68/73

So the 2nd DD’s retreat, which has already been implemented after it’s attack on the Nordera is a good move, as they would be vulnerable to elimination at exactly 73% health.

So looking at the rest, the 1st CRF has moved into position in Vega and Resupplied already. Now if we have the 4th CRF Resupply and enter Draco, and Enioch, we have your 3rd DD remain where it is and prepare it's barrage, we’ll have four fleets in a position to attack next turn, two in each system so the retreat will be covered. The Heirarchy will likely focus on one, most likely the Cyrvans, but can’t finish anyone, everyone’s well over that 73%, leaving three left in position to attack. These three will be in a position to finish the 2nd Hertak on the turn after this one, or if the Hertak retreat, dish out some strong damage somewhere else. By then, the 1st CRF and 3rd SF will be back in business as well. Oh and speaking of which, I also recommend the 3rd SF to perform a double Resupply:

3rd SF Fleet:
- Fighter attack strength: 9 (18+2)
- Capital attack strength: 6 (18)
- Fighters at 38% Strength, 3rd Gen
- Capital ships at 35% Strength
- Morale: Normal

 

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Lorric, are you assuming the 2nd LSF will actually do something? You can't count on Jerran fleets to do that, you know.
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Offline Lorric

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Lorric, are you assuming the 2nd LSF will actually do something? You can't count on Jerran fleets to do that, you know.

It won't screw everything up if he doesn't move, the Nordera will do 11/10 damage and end up at 79/81, so it won't change the maximum damage the heirarchy can inflict. No one will die. But the 2nd Hertak might slip between our fingers the turn after this one.

 

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Mind if I just resupply and use Zeal this turn? Unless you want me to meatshield in Draco, I'd rather stock up on health and morale this turn and return to the fight next turn.

Also, 1st DD's and my attack on the 1st Fura'ngle in Draco seems to indicate that Fura'ngle morale collapses quickly when they're attacked, even if their fleet didn't take much damage. Maybe something to keep in mind?
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Mind if I just resupply and use Zeal this turn? Unless you want me to meatshield in Draco, I'd rather stock up on health and morale this turn and return to the fight next turn.

Also, 1st DD's and my attack on the 1st Fura'ngle in Draco seems to indicate that Fura'ngle morale collapses quickly when they're attacked, even if their fleet didn't take much damage. Maybe something to keep in mind?
I hadn't realised you had Zeal ready. I would like you to go to Draco though. You are at 79/65, so if you Resupply then go to Draco, you'll be at almost full strength at 100/95.

It's about putting three fleets in position to strike at the Hertak. If the Hertak strike in Hydra, which is where I predict they'll go if they do attack in order to hit the Cyrvans, you'll need to travel again. Believe me I like using my Zeal too, but I think it's important to make the move. Also, if you don't, then the Heirarchy might target the 3rd DD instead, and then there'll be no one there to cover the retreat.

We'll have to look at that the next time we hit the Fura'ngle. But I am inclined to agree with Enioch's suspicion that this dramatic drop happened because the 1st Hertak went down.

 

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So, you suggest I should just prepare Barrage and wait there?

What happens if, say, the 2nd Hertak, 3rd Nordera and 4th Nordera/1st Fura all hit me? Do I die?

Please keep in mind that several Hertak fighters survived the destruction of 1st Hertak and they might very well have been picked up by the 2nd Hertak, just as we pick up surviving fighters Can I have a number crunch on that?

If staying in Draco might result in my fleet's death, might it not be better if we abandon the system? Say Lepanto stays in Vega and resupplies, while I hit the 2nd Hertak (Major) and retreat to Vega (minor).

Then the 1st CRF can Double move to Draco and defend the system (it has 90+ health) so the (heavily damaged) Hertak cannot advance to Vega while we resupply and prepare to cover the CRF's rotation to Vega.

If my moves are this:

Major:attack 2nd Hert.
Minor: retreat to Vega (taking half damage from 2nd Hertak (damaged after first fight) and 3rd Nordera)

and Lepanto resupplies and Zeals

and Veers double moves to Draco

We end up pretty well, I think. The 2nd Hertak are at ~30% (after damage inflicted by me during attack & retreat), one fleet resupplying, one fleet holding the line, one fleet preparing to attack. Opinions?

EDIT: Oh, and this:

1st Fura'ngle Fleet (I THINK)
Fighter attack strength: 15+11=26 (16-2)
Capital attack strength: 21+8=29 (20-2)
Fighters at 109% Strength
Capital ships at 114% Strength
Morale: Very Low

is probably wrong. If the Fura resupply, I believe they will not go over 100%. I believe that any '1st fleet' of the enemy are overpowered just for the first attack and will not be able to resupply above 100% if damaged.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2013, 05:52:12 am by Enioch »
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EDIT: Oh, and this:

1st Fura'ngle Fleet (I THINK)
Fighter attack strength: 15+11=26 (16-2)
Capital attack strength: 21+8=29 (20-2)
Fighters at 109% Strength
Capital ships at 114% Strength
Morale: Very Low

is probably wrong. If the Fura resupply, I believe they will not go over 100%. I believe that any '1st fleet' of the enemy are overpowered just for the first attack and will not be able to resupply above 100% if damaged.
The 1st Nordera resupplied from 135% back to 150% at turn 2 (even more disturbing they were able to resupply (first action) together with 2nd Nordera (first action as well) while the system was not yet secured (second action by 4th Cordi ) which means their base strength is 150%. I guess the Fura can resupply from below 100% to higher values as well.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2013, 06:16:07 am by Admiral MS »
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Hadn't noticed that. Point taken.
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Offline Lorric

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So, you suggest I should just prepare Barrage and wait there?

What happens if, say, the 2nd Hertak, 3rd Nordera and 4th Nordera/1st Fura all hit me? Do I die?

Please keep in mind that several Hertak fighters survived the destruction of 1st Hertak and they might very well have been picked up by the 2nd Hertak, just as we pick up surviving fighters Can I have a number crunch on that?

If staying in Draco might result in my fleet's death, might it not be better if we abandon the system? Say Lepanto stays in Vega and resupplies, while I hit the 2nd Hertak (Major) and retreat to Vega (minor).

Then the 1st CRF can Double move to Draco and defend the system (it has 90+ health) so the (heavily damaged) Hertak cannot advance to Vega while we resupply and prepare to cover the CRF's rotation to Vega.

If my moves are this:

Major:attack 2nd Hert.
Minor: retreat to Vega (taking half damage from 2nd Hertak (damaged after first fight) and 3rd Nordera)

and Lepanto resupplies and Zeals

and Veers double moves to Draco

We end up pretty well, I think. The 2nd Hertak are at ~30% (after damage inflicted by me during attack & retreat), one fleet resupplying, one fleet holding the line, one fleet preparing to attack. Opinions?
I would like to stick with my proposal. Do not worry. You will not die.

I think Spoon would have told us if the fighters had transferred. But it will be negligible if they have.

  

Offline Enioch

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You are probably right. Your suggestion gives us a nice followup attack on the next turn.

However, if I get killed, I'm hitching a lifepod, driving it to the North front and strangling you in your sleep.  :arrr:

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However, if I get killed, I'm hitching a lifepod, driving it to the North front and strangling you in your sleep.  :arrr:
:lol:

Somehow I don't think escape pods are designed to traverse multiple systems. :)

 

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Mine will be fueled by homicidalrageium.  :mad: Put that in your fuel tank and you can jump without Starlances, like the Zy. Standard issue on Delest fleets.  :drevil:

EDIT: So, to sum up: I prepare Barrage and wait (i.e. no attack?)
« Last Edit: September 10, 2013, 12:06:08 pm by Enioch »
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To my brothers,

If you're reading this, then I was probably killed by some slimy Hertak scum who got lucky. Hopefully the bastard is dead and is breathing vacuum, but if not, you better avenge me or I will haunt you until the day you die.

p.s. Kill all the alien bastards that I wasn't able to.

 

Offline Lorric

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Mine will be fueled by homicidalrageium.  :mad: Put that in your fuel tank and you can jump without Starlances, like the Zy. Standard issue on Delest fleets.  :drevil:

EDIT: So, to sum up: I prepare Barrage and wait (i.e. no attack?)
Well, I did use Defend this turn. Perhaps that will help me see you coming... :)

Yes. Barrage, wait.

And don't worry about the Hertak fighters. 5% survived. If they've joined the 2nd Hertak, that will add 1 to their fighter damage. So I haven't checked, but that will mean either +1 on capital damage or nothing at all.

 

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Yes, I am. :) I was on vacation last week, couldn't log into HLP. I've had some fun sailing, but on land there were a bit too many drunk students. Still, a nice trip.