2: a massive inexorable force, campaign, movement, or object that crushes whatever is in its pathAs far as GTVA goes, thats exactly what it is.
Dreadnought maybe?its to big imo
Personally, I regard it as a juggernaut, even though 'GTJ Colossus' sounds weird to me.lol, the Colossus was made by both Terran and Vasudan, so "IF" they put it juggernaut, they'd have named it GTVJ Colossus(Galactic Terran-Vasudan Juggernaut).
Where did it say that that part of the cutscene was in Gamma Draconis? The voiceover was only saying that the Colossus would be used to fight the Shivans in 'the mysterious nebula beyond Gamma Draconis'. It's in a different system when you see it come past the camera.Well :D, maybe they shouldn't zoom-in Gamma Draconis then show the Colossus after that, it might lead to misunderstanding. :confused:
If you set a Sath as friendly, when it takes damage it sends the Terran AWACS damaged and critical messages.Whoah, really?
:v:TM never called it a Juggernaut so I don't understand why we should.Because it's the logical designation.
I remember a speech by Winston Churchill in which he said pretty much this: "We, the good guys, use submarines while them, the bad guys, use U-boats...". This happened even if submarines and U-boats were basically the same thing.Doesn't sound very Churchillian.
I still think it should be GTBB; Galactic Terran Baseball Bat.Seconded. ;7
Juggernaut is a -bad- name. It'd be like naming it the GTSD Manslaughter.
And here I sit, wondering why the GTVA thinks "None specified" sounds better than "Juggernaut".
The Lucifer was also one in a kind. Yet it received a designation (superdestroyer).
The Sathanas was also (probably) thought to have been one of a kind, yet it was designated as a juggernaut.
The Lucifer was also one in a kind. Yet it received a designation (superdestroyer).
Another thing: who said that the Lucifer was one in kind if the Colossus was built with the specific purpose of handling such threat?If they had such a ship they would be bound to have much worse in store?
No, the Lucifer was just SD Lucifer, not SSD Lucifer.
Open-minded guy at work... :D
Suddenly the word "dreadnought" popped into my mind. If we interpret some dictionary information, a juggernaut is "unstoppable", like the Sathanas seemed to be at first, with its awesome forward beam cannons. But the Colossus could be a dreadnought, as in "One that is the largest or the most powerful of its kind". Sort of. no canon base whatsoever, but sounds distantly appropriate.
Even then, for a Moloch to be a pure Dreadnought it would need more than what...three SReds?
Even then, for a Moloch to be a pure Dreadnought it would need more than what...three SReds?
That always confused me. Terran and Vasudan vessels fill the gap between small beams and large ones with "slash" type beams. Why didn't the Shivan's do something similar?--if not a slash beam, then a medium-strength direct-fire beam.
Even then, for a Moloch to be a pure Dreadnought it would need more than what...three SReds?
That always confused me. Terran and Vasudan vessels fill the gap between small beams and large ones with "slash" type beams. Why didn't the Shivan's do something similar?--if not a slash beam, then a medium-strength direct-fire beam.
Because the Shivans are not the GTVA. They do not show any similarities either (oh well, they fly spaceships, but that's really it).
If the Shivans made a people carrier, they would go easy on the forward BFReds and learn something from the Orion and discover the rectangle.Nah, the next Transport / Freighter they make will have a BFRed somewhere. ;)
Putting a Sathanas next to a Hecate will achieve next to nothing, as it only has a single LRed (I think) mounted aft. IMO, this translates to me as the Sathanas coming across as Purely Offensive, its purpose is ONLY to decimate other shipsWell, that and the whole "Let's blow up that ****ing star" feature.
Putting a Sathanas next to a Hecate will achieve next to nothing, as it only has a single LRed (I think) mounted aft. IMO, this translates to me as the Sathanas coming across as Purely Offensive, its purpose is ONLY to decimate other shipsWell, that and the whole "Let's blow up that ****ing star" feature.
EDIT: Not voting until I see Snuffleupagus and/or "The Colossus doesn't need a designation". :p
Also while i do not want this to turn into another Iceni debate i can not help but feel that somehow the Iceni at least at some point should or rather was supposed to be an integral part of the GTVA's arsenal.(It's just a feeling i cant shake loose )
I agree with Flipside, but some pedantic people always claim that it wasn't ever said that it was a juggernaut, in the same way the Ulysses is never specifically called 'a ship', so really it should be a 'unspecified space-faring combat vehicle'.
Incidentally the Ulysses is also supposed to be a joint project fighter yet the Vasudans never use it.
Shivan Super Lasers. Since FreeSpace 2 came out they were swapped out with LReds. Table editing can give you them back.In FS2 its SReds by default. Which turned into a very very very large and heavily armoured cruiser.
Shivan Super Lasers. Since FreeSpace 2 came out they were swapped out with LReds. Table editing can give you them back.In FS2 its SReds by default. Which turned into a very very very large and heavily armoured cruiser.
--Steve-O--'s Federal Fighters™ ;7Shivan Super Lasers. Since FreeSpace 2 came out they were swapped out with LReds. Table editing can give you them back.In FS2 its SReds by default. Which turned into a very very very large and heavily armoured cruiser.
Unfortunately, if you replace them with the SLaser (no not the Spartan Laser... you play too much halo 3 hehe), the AI treats it like a laser turret (which is what it really is) and you suddenly have a mothe****ing unstoppable SOB crawling through the system, with constant pulses of 'Uber Ray' obliterating everything in it's path. So if you are willing to replace it, you have to lock that turret and use sexps only to fire it, or you are going to have to have some genius idea to beat that thing
Considering its size, firepower, and ability to house ships, would Battlecarrier be a good term for it?
In fact, any Destroyer in FreeSpace is a Battlecarrier when you look at their ability to destroy other warships with little support while having carrier capability.
Bu then again why dont we try something out. Moving ALL of the Collies beam cannons to the front and have all of the what 10 or 12 beam cannons fire at the Sath.Concidering the dialogue of High Noon, I'd speculate that with such a weapons layout the Collie could fire one decisive beam salvo before it melted into an unidentified puddle of metal and paint.
Umm yeah forgot about that. Nevertheless hearing such a discussion in the said mission i was like WTF??? Build bigger heatsink's you fraking idiots. But such is the word of Volition and who are we to debate such things even if the said thing is at least idiotic to say the least.
All hail the campaign plot god's !
Hold up didn't the said reactor overheat happen because the Collie was using its beams overloaded for a very long period of time. If so using all of the overloaded for a much shorter time span in theory should cause no significant problems ? In fact such a thing wont even cause the severe damage the Collie sustained in that mission ! ?
The Colly wins in a broadside battle regardless :P
Neither the Sath's four main beams not its LRed can hit the Colly when broadsiding.
Galactic Terran-Vasudan Armageddon? BS.
WTF are you ppl talking here. Overloading ONE beam cannon almost destroyed the Collie ???!!! The Collie overloaded ALL of its side beam cannon's at least the ones facing the Sath.
And it was not even that that damaged the Collie since from the said discussion the Collie and apparently every other ship out there has a possibility to overload its beam cannon's .
However the discussion said specifically that or rather left me with the clear idea that they used the overloaded beam cannon's for far too much time and so they did not have the ability to cool them down .
Basically if they had the choice of firing the overloaded beam once every minute or so I'm sure the same problem's would not have occurred since they would of had much more time to cool down .
Hey people...what do you think about the Iceni, then? :rolleyes:
Referred to also as a frigate.
In the same manner the SD Nebiros is referred to as a cruiser, and the GVCv Thebes is referred to as a destroyer.Hey people...what do you think about the Iceni, then? :rolleyes:
Referred to as a Corvette by your Wingman at one point. "We're 5 Clicks from that Corvette!"
lol...face it...the whole game's rubbish under its own naming system, or else Voilition intentionally planned that the GTA / GTVA (Let's just say the humans) militaries consisted of retards that didn't go through any type of "Know your enemy and your friend, and what to expect to see in the field" training... :rolleyes:In the same manner the SD Nebiros is referred to as a cruiser, and the GVCv Thebes is referred to as a destroyer.Hey people...what do you think about the Iceni, then? :rolleyes:
Referred to as a Corvette by your Wingman at one point. "We're 5 Clicks from that Corvette!"
In the same manner the SD Nebiros is referred to as a cruiser, and the GVCv Thebes is referred to as a destroyer.
Which persona said that the Thebes was a destroyer?It's in the Bearbaiting debriefing if you happen to lose the Thebes:
In the same manner the SD Nebiros is referred to as a cruiser, and the GVCv Thebes is referred to as a destroyer.Hey people...what do you think about the Iceni, then? :rolleyes:
Referred to as a Corvette by your Wingman at one point. "We're 5 Clicks from that Corvette!"
In the same manner the SD Nebiros is referred to as a cruiser, and the GVCv Thebes is referred to as a destroyer.
Everything in Into the Lion's Den (except the Nebiros) doesn't have a name...
In the same manner the SD Nebiros is referred to as a cruiser, and the GVCv Thebes is referred to as a destroyer.
Psamtik (I), on the other hand, was an Egyptian king who united his people freed his land from Assyrian control in under ten years. The Memphis, on the other hand, is named after an Egyptian city.
I think it is hence safe to assume that modern Vasudan ship names are taken from very good Egyptian kings/Pharaohs and Egyptian cities.
something that would play the blasted thing so I can screen itYou mean like... a media player of some sort?
No Windows Media Player will not display the video. WinAmp will not display videos either.Ever thought about installing codecs? Actually, the easier option is to get a media player that plays videos without any hassle. VLC Media Player will accomplish this task, but personally I prefer The KMPlayer nowadays since it looks cooler and crashes far less often. Or never, to be precise.
the vid defines the Colossus as a "XXX" battle ship of massive proportions ( don't know what says on the XXX part)It looks a lot like TVA, as Commander Zane said. Which could naturally stand for Terran-Vasudan Alliance.
Also such a thing would imply that the Collie was intended for mass production at some point or another.
Also such a thing would imply that the Collie was intended for mass production at some point or another.
That won't happen due to the massive costs and time required just to build one. One would wonder how the 80 Sathanai got constructed in a short time span (if the construction exceed more than 50 years radically newer technology would have been developed.)
One would wonder how the 80 Sathanai got constructed in a short time span (if the construction exceed more than 50 years radically newer technology would have been developed.)Nothing implies directly that the Sathanases were constructed between the events of FS1 and FS2. It is completely possible that the Shivans had their Sathanas armada, as well as god-kowns-what other ships. They just didn't see any reason to use them during the Great War. Or the Sathanases had other tasks at the time (like blowing up other stars perhaps?).
And after three hundred years, some scientist will discover this forum and say "Holy crap! They thought we'd be stupid enough to build a ship that can be ripped in half by a stray asteroid!" Then he will stand on the grave of HLP (HLP LIVE FOREVUH!) and smile "Thiz iz real life!" And then, Shivanz attack.
And after three hundred years, some scientist will discover this forum and say "Holy crap! They thought we'd be stupid enough to build a ship that can be ripped in half by a stray asteroid!" Then he will stand on the grave of HLP (HLP LIVE FOREVUH!) and smile "Thiz iz real life!" And then, Shivanz attack.
:wtf:
Well like others have said, the fact that it's called a Battle Ship implies that it would be further produced, the GTVA Colossus would be the name given to the maiden ship of its class before it was produced with a GTBB title or something.
The first of the Victory Heavy Destroyers was named the IAS Victory to state a possibly similar note.
GTBB...? Galactic Terran Battle Barge? Not quite yet, I think. :P
Battleship, US Navy hull classification symbol
GTBB...? Galactic Terran Battle Barge? Not quite yet, I think. :PQuote from: The mother****ing Wikipedia after searching for "BB"Battleship, US Navy hull classification symbol
What.The same way Frigate (Ff) works.
How does that work?
The Colossus was THE COLOSSUS of the GTVA. It meets both Juggernaut and Superdestroyer classes, because it's got the size of a juggernaut, and the firepower of a Superdestoyer. I'm honestly disappointed how weak the Colly is, really. If it didn't have some badass fighter cover, it would have been obliterated by the Sath's beams in seconds, like in that.. one mission where the Sath kills the Colly because it didn't have fighter cover. I just wish that I could fly fast enough over the the Sath and kill it's beams before it killed the Colly. Take THAT, canon storyline!
You always need an "invincible" foe to keep the player at the edge of the chair... is that right? m
...While all mighty Colossus has 6 or 7 BG and just as many slashers ?????? WTF is with that combo ???
I henestly dont get it ! Why the hell did they put so many slashes on the Collie for that matter why the hell does the Collie have so few beams ???..
The most powerfull ones inclueding fighter bays aaaf defences would have to be Hecate then Hattie then Ravana then Orion then Demon .
well too bad the retail script was done this way... it's got his moments anyway.
Exactly, it would be great.Like the rest of the GTVA should get credit from what the Colossus and a single bomber wing did. :P
Destruction of the Sathanas was a great success of a GTVA, and it should be rewarded by a movie :)
Are posts in General FreeSpace supposed to miss the differences between the FreeSpace Universe and what we see ingame? It's quite obvious that in a Universe point of view the engagement didn't involve only two ships and two wings. Other notable examples are Apocalypse, Bearbaiting and Evangelist.Honestly I can understand this argument but others, like "FS2 overrides all FS1 aspects" is complete bollocks.
Are posts in General FreeSpace supposed to miss the differences between the FreeSpace Universe and what we see ingame? It's quite obvious that in a Universe point of view the engagement didn't involve only two ships and two wings. Other notable examples are Apocalypse, Bearbaiting and Evangelist.As true as that is the Colossus and bomber wings are really the only things that could've made enough of a difference to turn the tide of battle in such a situation though. Like how the only thing that made a difference between a dead Earth and victory for the GTA was a surgical strike against the Lucifer.
Exactly, it would be great.Like the rest of the GTVA should get credit from what the Colossus and a single bomber wing did. :P
Destruction of the Sathanas was a great success of a GTVA, and it should be rewarded by a movie :)
In a real-life scenario there wouldn't be a GTVA.Are posts in General FreeSpace supposed to miss the differences between the FreeSpace Universe and what we see ingame? It's quite obvious that in a Universe point of view the engagement didn't involve only two ships and two wings. Other notable examples are Apocalypse, Bearbaiting and Evangelist.As true as that is the Colossus and bomber wings are really the only things that could've made enough of a difference to turn the tide of battle in such a situation though. Like how the only thing that made a difference between a dead Earth and victory for the GTA was a surgical strike against the Lucifer.
That's just probably the game though. Perhaps in a real-life scenario things would be way different.
The Collie was built to defeat a Lucifer. Lucifer was a superdestroyer, so shouldent the Collie be one as well?Bombers weren't built to defeat other bombers.
You're all wrong the collie is in fact a stealth fighter with beams ! The whole 6 km long thing is just its disguise ! Thats how it goes about unnoticed. The GTVA scientists and most brilliant minds decided that this top secret project was best hidden in a 6 km long thing.
I think it's a supercapitol :blah:We've already pointed it out...it's a "Battle Ship." :rolleyes:
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Oh my god...
"TVA Battle Ship of epic proportions."
You can't definitely call it a Battle Ship, since it appears in a tiny corner of one cutscene for a few moments. Hardly conclusive evidence.
Well in-game evidence suggests that the Colossus is also CANNON FODDER. :rolleyes:
And you did a damn good job at it too. :D
Well in-game evidence suggests that the Colossus is also CANNON FODDER. :rolleyes:
/me checks TopAce's article and tweaks it a little.
Good job. IfI wasn't scared of Goober banning mebeams aren't prohibitively restrictive to use, I would fire a BABeam at you. :nervous:Well in-game evidence suggests that the Colossus is also CANNON FODDER. :rolleyes:
Really?
If Command had more resources, they would definitely have been deployed. The problem is that they didn't. Remember Exodus?Spoiler:You had no reinforcements there. Three fighters sortied to protect a convoy of four large ships against...fifty-over Shivan small craft and a Cain? Add a Moloch if you don't destroy the Abraxis fast enough. It's asking for trouble if the Shivans weren't stupid enough to attack only one target.
Today's culture is more of a Console-Gaming culture, so likely FS2 were it made in 2009 would be for the XBox360 or PS3 or something.
It'd become stupid if it were on a console.
May I know why? :rolleyes:Simplification.
Another bad thing is be the lack of mods, which would be very bad.That would be the worst point.
I don't think so...Console games rock! CRASH BANDICOOT FOREVER!
Hmm...I can think of the commands...how a keyboard uses ALMOST every key on the BOARD to play the game..while a console controller would have MAX 81-0 keys..How do you expect to play the game. You're better off playing Starfox...XD