Author Topic: What Ship Type is the GTVA Colossus? (Read 38572 times)

Aardwolf · **Reply #40 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:35:54 am

If you set a Sath as friendly, when it takes damage it sends the Terran AWACS damaged and critical messages.

ssmit132 · **Reply #41 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:59:15 am

Really?

I should try that.

jakeslogan · **Reply #42 on:** January 05, 2009, 07:39:46 am

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Where did it say that that part of the cutscene was in Gamma Draconis? The voiceover was only saying that the Colossus would be used to fight the Shivans in 'the mysterious nebula beyond Gamma Draconis'. It's in a different system when you see it come past the camera.

Well

, maybe they shouldn't zoom-in Gamma Draconis then show the Colossus after that, it might lead to misunderstanding.

Snail · **Reply #43 on:** January 05, 2009, 08:44:38 am

Quote from: Aardwolf on January 05, 2009, 06:35:54 am

If you set a Sath as friendly, when it takes damage it sends the Terran AWACS damaged and critical messages.

Whoah, really?

Flipside · **Reply #44 on:** January 05, 2009, 08:52:08 am

Juggernaut. Simply because the next size up from Destroyer for the Shivans was a Juggernaut according to the GTVA, since the Sath was referred to as such, so I am assuming they would use the same class references as they use for their own ships, since they do up to that point.

Snail · **Reply #45 on:** January 05, 2009, 08:56:01 am

Hey Flipside has exactly 5000 posts. Funneh.

I agree with Flipside, but some pedantic people always claim that it wasn't ever said that it was a juggernaut, in the same way the Ulysses is never specifically called 'a ship', so really it should be a 'unspecified space-faring combat vehicle'.

TopAce · **Reply #46 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:09:24 am

Except that ship is a very generic term, and it can be used to refer to any spacefaring... vehicle. Juggernaut and destroyer are one level below in categorization.

Mobius · **Reply #47 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:31:57 am

The Colossus didn't have a "pure" designation, it simply was the product of the T-V Alliance's efforts in creating an extremely powerful and big warship.

^TM never called it a Juggernaut so I don't understand why we should.

Snail · **Reply #48 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:41:58 am

Quote from: Mobius on January 05, 2009, 11:31:57 am

^TM never called it a Juggernaut so I don't understand why we should.

Because it's the logical designation.

But of course, if you're a purist...

Mobius · **Reply #49 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:47:04 am

Juggernaut is not a conventional word like destroyer or cruiser. It appears to be a reference to something unconventional and evil so using it to designate good guys' assets would be a bad idea.

Remember the difference between "submarines" and "u-boats"?

FreeSpaceFreak · **Reply #50 on:** January 05, 2009, 01:50:33 pm

U-boats are German, that's all. Today's German Navy submarines are still called "U-boats". Germany also sold some to Israel, and these are just called "submarines".

So yes, you may be right somehow. The Colossus was GTVA, which is why it has the special designation <nothing> (U-boats), as opposed to other ships of that magnitude which are called "juggernauts" (submarines). But that's not what you meant, I know

Mobius · **Reply #51 on:** January 05, 2009, 01:59:12 pm

I remember a speech by Winston Churchill in which he said pretty much this: "We, the good guys, use submarines while them, the bad guys, use U-boats...". This happened even if submarines and U-boats were basically the same thing.

In FS2 the Colossus would be a joint endeavor, a massive ship symbolizing the Alliance the good guys use to defeat the bad guys. The Sathanas, however, would be a "Juggernaut", a big evil warship the bad guys(Shivans) use to threaten the good guys.

Snail · **Reply #52 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:01:55 pm

Quote from: Mobius on January 05, 2009, 01:59:12 pm

I remember a speech by Winston Churchill in which he said pretty much this: "We, the good guys, use submarines while them, the bad guys, use U-boats...". This happened even if submarines and U-boats were basically the same thing.

Doesn't sound very Churchillian.

Mobius · **Reply #53 on:** January 05, 2009, 02:24:28 pm

That's not a quote from him ("pretty much this") but what I posted is the meaning of his speech.

Androgeos Exeunt · **Reply #54 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:22:03 pm

And here I sit, wondering why the GTVA thinks "None specified" sounds better than "Juggernaut".

Flipside · **Reply #55 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:35:10 pm

I'm wondering why, if the GTVA have used the same class-names for equally sized ships on both sides throughout Freespace 1 & 2, they would suddenly change their mind when it came to the Colossus.

Calling it 'undesignated' would be silly, there's a difference between non-canon and nonsensical.

Aardwolf · **Reply #56 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:44:20 pm

Juggernaut is a -bad- name. It'd be like naming it the GTSD Manslaughter.

It's not a matter of changing something, it's that they didn't have a classification for the colossus, and didn't encounter the Sath until later.

Flipside · **Reply #57 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:46:46 pm

Well, you could say the same for the Moloch, the tech description even states that it isn't 'strictly' a Corvette class vessel, but is named that way because it is the closest class to it.

So, if that reasoning can work in one direction, it should be able to work in the other.

Androgeos Exeunt · **Reply #58 on:** January 06, 2009, 01:21:37 am

I believe

could have called the Moloch a "Light Carrier" or SLCa Moloch, but they wanted to simplify things.

Stormkeeper · **Reply #59 on:** January 06, 2009, 02:50:41 am

I still think it should be GTBB; Galactic Terran Baseball Bat.

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