[Commander Zane]

I still think it should be GTBB; Galactic Terran Baseball Bat.

Seconded.

[Dilmah G]

Juggernaut is a -bad- name. It'd be like naming it the GTSD Manslaughter.

 


well if we're talking about -bad- names

then i submit

GTSD Assrape

which was SO not significant of my immaturity

[ssmit132]

GTVBB, you mean.

[Mobius]

And here I sit, wondering why the GTVA thinks "None specified" sounds better than "Juggernaut".

The Colossus was THE Colossus. I'm amazed of the fact that so many still don't get it, why would you need a designation such a ship?


Oh, I'd like someone to delete the useless posts above mine.

[TopAce]

The Lucifer was also one in a kind. Yet it received a designation (superdestroyer).

[Jeff Vader]

The Sathanas was also (probably) thought to have been one of a kind, yet it was designated as a juggernaut.

[TopAce]

I blame V for that. Obviously by the time they started FREDding, they had already known there would be 80 of them, and assigned a designation to it.

[Mobius]

The Lucifer was also one in a kind. Yet it received a designation (superdestroyer).

The GTA/PVE didn't know it? And it was a fearsome Shivan vessel, not a joint endeavor.

The Sathanas was also (probably) thought to have been one of a kind, yet it was designated as a juggernaut.

But, as you said, it was Shivan...

[Aardwolf]

The Lucifer was also one in a kind. Yet it received a designation (superdestroyer).

No, the Lucifer was just SD Lucifer, not SSD Lucifer.

[Mobius]

Another thing: who said that the Lucifer was one in kind if the Colossus was built with the specific purpose of handling such threat?

[Jeff Vader]

I'd interpret it so that during the Great War the Lucifer was considered (and hoped) to be unique. Only later did they start to think otherwise and consequently Khonsu II announced his insane plans.

[Commander Zane]

Another thing: who said that the Lucifer was one in kind if the Colossus was built with the specific purpose of handling such threat?

If they had such a ship they would be bound to have much worse in store?

[Mobius]

I don't think so.

They knew that there was only one Lucifer in the Shivan fleet attacking them but they couldn't give for sure that there was only one Lucifer in the Shivan fleet: what the Terrans and the Vasudans faced was, in fact, was nothing more than an assault force. It's impossible to judge a Species by seeing a small(because it was VERY small, for Shivan standards) fleet.

[TopAce]

No, the Lucifer was just SD Lucifer, not SSD Lucifer.

Yes, it was SD Lucifer, but it was called a superdestroyer somewhere.

[Mobius]

"S" as "Super" isn't valid in canon prefixes. We have GTSDs and SSDs only in custom made ships.

[Flipside]

The Collosus was it's hull name though, not it's Designation, just as the first Orion Class Destroyer was, in all likelihood, called Orion, only one Orion, but every ship based on that hull was still a Destroyer.

The fact there is only one of them wouldn't change the class of ship, it might make it unique, it might only have to be referred to as 'The Colossus' to be known, but that's like saying the 'Ark Royal' is the 'Ark Royal', not an Aircraft Carrier, or (to use a sci-fi reference) the USS Enterprise is 'The Enterprise' and not a Federation Heavy Cruiser.

To my mind, it is the Colossus, the first Colossus-Class Juggernaut, and, most likely, the last.

[Mobius]

The Colossus is unique, it wasn't a one of a kind ship and nothing else. It was a symbol of the Alliance and was hence designated GTVA Colossus. Juggernaut is a name used for massive Shivan ships, only.

Also, we may or may not consider the fact that 's plan might have changed in the past. Maybe, at the beginning, the Colossus and the Sathanas weren't supposed to be two direct adversaries(meaning that each one was the counterpart of the other). Just a thought, anyway.

[Flipside]

Well, in truth, it doesn't say that in the tables or cutscenes any more definitely than it says that the Colossus is a Juggernaut.

We are really both just expressing opinions now, since neither of our views can really be justified by any empirical evidence.

[Mobius]

The "symbol of the Alliance" thing is a logic consequence of thoughts based on canon. The Colossus indeedly was a symbol of the Alliance and the Colossus cutscene doesn't leave any choices in terms of ship designations.

The point is that, in any case, it's not appropriate to consider the Colossus a Juggernaut. In the FreeSpace Demo the term "juggernaut" wasn't used to define a ship class(proof: no capitalization)...it was simply used as a reference to "big stuff" in general.

EDIT: Not voting until I see Snuffleupagus and/or "The Colossus doesn't need a designation".

[Flipside]

So are mine a logical sequence of thoughts based on Canon, that's exactly what I'm saying, they are both acceptable answers, but neither are, from a 'canon' point of speaking 'True', they are both based on our own interpretation of canon, not on canon itself.

I find it perfectly acceptable to consider the Colossus a Juggernaut vessel, even if it is the Colossus, after all, the Sathanas was designated a Juggernaut whilst it was still only the Sathanas, but it really boils down to personal opinion.