[Galemp]

It was a PCX and 8 or so SJDs.

[LtNarol]

but if you target a SJD Sathanas, it shows as a regular sathanas in the lower left corner of your hud, which was my point.  If there had actually been 87 sathanas in that mission, or even 10, the game would have lagged severely.

[Vertigo1]

Defintely the Basilisk....

Second of course would definitely be the Shiatan.  That thing is nothing more than an annoying target for me to blow to atoms.

[Stryke 9]

I think we need to arm the minisath and make it a fighter... with one big BFRed between the points!

Shivan miniaturization!

[ARC_Shrike]

Astaroth <<< it goes down with a Pair of Harpoons without problems... that = Fail

[Setekh]

Originally posted by LtNarol
but if you target a SJD Sathanas, it shows as a regular sathanas in the lower left corner of your hud, which was my point.  If there had actually been 87 sathanas in that mission, or even 10, the game would have lagged severely.

It's an LOD trick...

[Night Hammer]

Manticore... little ***** that just runs away.

[Liberator]

All of the ship in the poll have at least one redeeming characteristic, except the Aeshma.

The Aeshma does not mount the heavy weaps of the Mara or have the Missle capacity of the Basilisk, and it does not even come close to having the manuverability of the Dragon.

What was Volition thinking.

[Kazashi]

I'd have to say that the Basilisk generally comes across as the most useless Shivan fighter. It ends up being no more than cannon fodder when it makes an appearance....

...ok, all Shivan fighters end up being cannon fodder, the Basilisk just falls the easiest.

[Galemp]

Originally posted by Kazashi
...ok, all Shivan fighters end up being cannon fodder

You're only saying that because there are only two Shivan fighters we can fly, and they kick @$$. The other fighters are controlled by the AI, which sucks, so of course the ships are cannon fodder.

AI Hercs die easy too, but they're not 'cannon fodder' because most of the time they have a human pilot behind them. I think I made this point before, but everybody ignored me.

[Kazashi]

Originally posted by GalacticEmperor


You're only saying that because there are only two Shivan fighters we can fly, and they kick @$$. The other fighters are controlled by the AI, which sucks, so of course the ships are cannon fodder.

That much is true. It remains to be seen as to whether the Basilisk under human control would fall short of other human controlled Shivan fighters in the same way as with AI.

[CP5670]

The Nephilim and Seraphim are death machines as far as primary weapons go. The Nephilim has only one gun bank, but the bank has seven firing mounts. The Seraphim has three primary banks; a six-mount, a two-mount and a three-mount. Very impressive. Both bombers have two turrets and four secondary banks. The secondary banks on the Nephilim are really small and pitiful considering the size of the bomber, but the Seraphim's are about the same as the Ursa or Sekhmet.

The Dragon and Mara are probably the better Shivan fighters. (original Shivan versions) The Dragon has great primaries - a two-mount and a three-mount bank, powerful shields for its size and unmatched maneuverability. The Mara is simply good as an all-round ship, with very good speed/maneuverability, strong armor and shielding and big secondary banks.

One of the main problems with the Shivan ships is that all the Shivan primary weapons really suck and they use crappier versions of the same secondaries as the GTVA. The light laser fires fast compared to the other two but is still slower than the Subach and does little damage. The heavy laser does twice the damage but fires at less than half the speed, and overall performs about the same as the light. The mega laser does double that of the heavy (Kayser-type damage), but fires even slower, making it not much better.

[Slasher]

Definitely the Aeshma.  Its rather large target cross-section is complemented nicely by its superbly sluggish manuverability and slower-than-molasses speed.  Has anyone else also noticed that the Shivans that pilot it tend to be rather dumb?  Maybe its for the mentally challenged Shivan's self esteem.

[Kitsune]

It was a toss-up between the basilisk and the manticore.

They're both easy kills, singly or grouped.  

And nearly every fighter class that the shivans field has 100 hitpoints in armor.  Look in the tables.
It'll also show why dragons have such good manueverability.
They're one of the rare ships that can accelerate in a direction other than straight forwrard.

[Nico]

There's no useless shivan crafts, there's helpless mission designers.

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by venom2506
There's no useless shivan crafts, there's helpless mission designers.

Quite right

[Ulundel]

Whaaaaaat? Why's everybody stareing at me?

[CP5670]

There's no useless shivan crafts, there's helpless mission designers.

And bad shivan AI, of course. I bet a human pilot in a Basilisk could smash up everything.

[Nico]

right
Let me say it that way: I flew most of the shivan fighters when i was working for HT... well, the shivans ships owns, the manticore rules
the pb is, the shivan weapons suck.

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by Slasher
Definitely the Aeshma.  Its rather large target cross-section is complemented nicely by its superbly sluggish manuverability and slower-than-molasses speed.  Has anyone else also noticed that the Shivans that pilot it tend to be rather dumb?  Maybe its for the mentally challenged Shivan's self esteem.

 Agreed, Ashema's.  My little brother could take out a wing of them