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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
or simply the Space Marines that they've been advertising already be promoted to not-DLC status.

From their Press Release:
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With the support of our publisher Focus, we've decided to develop another faction that we'll unveil soon. This new faction, available in a few months, will also be offered for free to all Early Adopters

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Battlefleet Gothic: Armada’s Early Adopters Edition [...] the Space Marines fleet + one additional fleet (more info coming soon)
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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Could also be Necrons.

Hope it's not, that'd be a mess.
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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Could also be Necrons.

Hope it's not, that'd be a mess.

If you go by what people want to see most it's probably Tau or Nids. /shrugs

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
So, I could no longer wait and got into the fun .... and got stomped on by Orkz for several games in a row :) (problem with learning and preventing is that no build had common elements as far as I can tell)

I really wish you could not see the point defense fire from stealthed ships... and that game wouldn't break as soon as I win a game (as rare as that still is)
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Orks: don't close. Use Taunt or Stasis Bombs if you've got them for crowd control and to keep some range. They turn badly; IN and Chaos can use high energy turn for breakaways.
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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Orks: don't close. Use Taunt or Stasis Bombs if you've got them for crowd control and to keep some range. They turn badly; IN and Chaos can use high energy turn for breakaways.

It's not so much the species' attributes that keep me down, it's being matched with players who have superiorly outfitted ships (my lvl 3 Hellbringers with barely anything to their name keep hitting up fully upgraded enemy ships) and as far as Orkz go that includes a wild variety of ships and builds (including but not limited to spams of all kinds)

In Skirmish against the AI things tend to work out (the Heroic AI is giving me a run for my money but still) but human players ... not so much...
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Ahhh.

Yeah, I've yet to do well in multi myself, save against a couple friends who are equally hapless.
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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
I am starting to turn the corner today ... restarted with a brand new fleet, new upgrade priorites and new insights into the micromanagement (giving the Helldriver Mk 2 another shot), so far I am winning more than I have been losing

I particularily have come to like that feints actually work in this game :D
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Today I learned: there's a time limit on scenarios.
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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Today I learned: Infidels with Nav Shielding make a nice siege plattform

(Put them on 0 Speed in a hiding spot and set them to attack a target with their front arc, they will track it and you only need to press fire torpedoes - Nav Shielding so you can hide in asteroids)
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
As I have never played that game, how will the Astartes fleet work?
They have Battle Barges as battleships, will they be tanks, absorbing damage while closing in to board the enemy ship?

 

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As I have never played that game, how will the Astartes fleet work?
They have Battle Barges as battleships, will they be tanks, absorbing damage while closing in to board the enemy ship?

Unknown right now... but the Astartes Favor you can give your IN ships makes them better at boarding and lightnight strikes
EDIT: just talked to a wargaming buddy of mine, Astartes are appearently had better fighter, bombers and assault craft than the IN as well as access to boarding torpedoes (and were of course much better at boarding and leadership then the IN counterparts)


I took a peek at Orkz today, didn't want to like them but it is kinda endearing... also my first cruiser was named "Mega Full-of-Squigs" ("'Dis is mine flagship. It'z so full of Squigs you all are going to DIE!")
« Last Edit: March 29, 2016, 10:40:05 am by 0rph3u5 »
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Looking at the table top rules, they have two flavors of capital ships, Battlebarges and Strike Cruisers.  Both mount very powerful short range bombardment cannons, weapons batteries, sport lots of armor, are tough as nails in boarding and can drop Thunderhawks in the fighter/assault boat role.  They have three flavors of escorts that are faster than their IN counterparts but otherwise similar load outs.  Regular IN escorts could also be taken as "Rapid Strike Vessels" but I'd imagine that will be dropped in Armada.

Considering it would be hard to fight with a faction comprised of only two types of line ships plus escorts I assume they will be adding some non canons to flesh out the tree.  That said after the Heresy the Imperial military was purposefully broken up and the Astartes naval forces are meant for troop lift and supporting ground actions.  The Navy gets a bit pissy about the idea of them being capable at naval action.  I figure the Favors system could be pretty fun if its tied to Chapters.


I've also been trying out the Orks.  Dey seem fun ta play because dez cheap as chips, lotsa health, lotsa boarding actions, kustomizations on da ships and everting can mounts da nova kannon.  They also seem pretty tedious to play against for the same reasons.

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
I've also been trying out the Orks.  Dey seem fun ta play because dez cheap as chips, lotsa health, lotsa boarding actions, kustomizations on da ships and everting can mounts da nova kannon.  They also seem pretty tedious to play against for the same reasons.

Also take lots of crits because their shields don't last and the morale of Ork fleets disolves rather quickly under sustained fire (or exposure to Slaanesh). And their nova cannons explode more often than the Imperial ones (reminds me of this.

But that Savage Gunship...
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
It is funny losing half your fleets prows in the opening salvo. :P  While I have seen the "Weez gotta get outta heah" domino effect, I luckily have not been on the receiving end. 
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Maybe the Astartes get a Glorianna... that would be sweet, but a little bit op...

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
As I have never played that game, how will the Astartes fleet work?
They have Battle Barges as battleships, will they be tanks, absorbing damage while closing in to board the enemy ship?

Astartes fleets are divided into rapid strike vessels (escorts), Strike Cruisers (cruisers), Battle Barges (battleships), and possibly a Fortress Monastery (picture a space station, only twice the size and several times the firepower). Some chapters, particularly First Founding chapters or ones with large holdings maintain ships outside these classifications, but not many.

All Space Marine ships have improved boarding actions; first, Space Marines, second, even the ratings on Space Marine ships are considerably more armed, better motivated, and better trained than Navy ratings. It's to the point where it was actually considered impossible to board a Battle Barge or Fortress Monastery, as no opposing ship had nearly enough crew to fight several companies worth of Astartes. (Hit and run, which is what this game means by boarding, is actually okay.)

Striker Cruisers and Battle Barges have IN prow armor, except it's on every facing.

Lances are in short supply. They are replaced by short-range Bombardment Cannon; fixed-forward for Strike Cruisers, turreted left-front-right for Battle Barges. Bombardment cannon hit like lances, but automatically inflict a critical hit. (No idea how that'll translate; automatic "fire" maybe?)

Space Marine ships have boarding torpedoes and regular torpedoes. They can choose which to fire, like Orks can in the current game.

Thunderhawks can act as assault boats or fighters (in the tabletop, on the same sortie, but I doubt that here). They are also naturally more durable, and have a chance to avoid being removed when they are hit or engage the enemy. This will probably translate as being hard to stop with fighters or turrets.

Space Marines are expensive comparatively, obviously.
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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
Changes coming to Ork Kanonz and Taunt

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ORKS:

- A mistake during Orks weapons integration makes that costs for battery on Orks ships are only taken into account for 1 side. Of course the servant in charge of this task as been executed. As you may guess, fix this will lead to a notable point increase for Orks line ships. (Especially for career).

- Heavy/Mega Kanons will get the inaccurate attribute to reflect the fact that in the TT, Kanons ignore the bonus left column shift for firing at 15 cm. So it will get the following accuracy:
. 100% chance of hit at 0 range.
. 50% chance to hit at 3000 range instead of 75%.
. 0% Chance to hit at 6000 range instead of 50%.
Also, I tried to stay faithful to the ability they get in the TT, (Kanons deals double damages when they manage to pass the armor test) obviously, it didn't work and is utterly OP. I then choose to replace this ability by doubling the critical hit chances of the kanons. All kanons damages are then half but crits remains the same.

- Shock attack Kanon will no longer steal Data. (My bad, A commissar will execute me later for not seeing this earlier).

TAUNT:

- I know that everybody love it the way it is right now but I decided to change it anyway:
. Taunt range is now 7500 instead of 10000.
. Taunt force the enemy to attack the caster just as if it was an attack order given by the player. The ship follow the setted behavior and don't automatically get closer anymore.
. Taunt no longer silence the ship. All skills are accessible while taunted.
. Taunt ship disable the maneuver panel and the behavior panel. Also you can't give an order to a taunt ship.

Well, that's all for now. More will come soon.

Thanks for your attention. Dismiss!

Ravensburg

The change to Taunt is welcome...and the change to Kanonz should contain the Savage
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

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Re: Battlefleet Gothic: The RTS
As a longtime reader of 40k books and having played tabletop, I'm pretty firm with the backround, so I know about the Astartes fleet, chapterserfs and so on^^
I was just wondering given they will likely get Battle Barges as BBs and strike cruisers, complemented by Gladuis, Hunters and Nova frigates... their rooster seems to be a little small :D

But Gloriana class BBs would be way too overpowered.

 

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"You have a crude grasp, at best, of void combat strategy ... It is a pleasure to meet you, after all the Emperor is with you, isn't he?"

The last line kinda reminds me of one of the best Eldar vs Imperium-quotes ever
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"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."