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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: Goober5000 on August 23, 2008, 01:40:26 pm
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See here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55053.0.html) and here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55145.0.html) for background.
So, after some consultation with Admiral Nelson and Galemp, I've been able to arrange to have the high-poly Shivan model made into a real-life plastic figurine. :)
(http://pjfoliver.googlepages.com/stlshivan.jpg)
It is made of ABS plastic (good strong stuff; the same thing that Legos are made of) and can fit into a 6" high cube. It will arrive in time for BrickFair (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55521.0.html), so we ought to be able to kick off the HLP Carl exchange in style. :)
Now here's the thing. Getting the model made required an investment from the HLP fund. So, for anyone who wants to use the Shivan model for the HLP Carl exchange (or any other purpose, for that matter), we are asking for a donation to be made. $10 is suggested. Once the model itself is paid off, surplus donations will go into the HLP fund just like any other donation.
Thanks should go to Venom/Nico for creating the original Shivan model, to Galemp for fixing it up and exporting it to the required format, and to Admiral Nelson for finding the model prototyping site.
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Sooooo If I wanted my own Shivan model what would I do? (Not that I actually expect to get one).
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Nice. No LEGO-Con for me, but I did sign up already for this exchange. Carl may be getting some nice South Beach sun. :cool:
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Sooooo If I wanted my own Shivan model what would I do? (Not that I actually expect to get one).
Submit the model file here (http://www.modellabs.com/) and ask for a quote.
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I think he means he wants his own. To keep.
It's a bit pricey...
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how much do you need to recieve total?
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Sweet. :nod:
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A mini-Shivan through your letterbox...yikes. Is that the actual figurine or just the 3D model? Just wondering if it'll be made of coloured plastic. Is it posable?
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how much do you need to recieve total?
With shipping and taxes it's about as much as it costs to run the server for three months. You can find the total if you're interested.
Is that the actual figurine or just the 3D model?
That's a render of the 3D model they'll be using.
Just wondering if it'll be made of coloured plastic.
It will be solid black, but if anyone wants to paint it...
Is it posable?
Nope, sorry. Articulation is theoretically possible but only with trial and error. So far I've only ever seen ball joints done with any success, so unless you want it to flop around limply we're going for a sculpture and not a figurine.
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Ummm, where can I find the file for this model? I REALLY want to start messing about with shivans :D
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Yep model source ftw :yes:
we are asking for a donation to be made. $10 is suggested. Once the model itself is paid off, surplus donations will go into the HLP fund just like any other donation.
FAir enough, but TEn quid each?
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Ummm, where can I find the file for this model? I REALLY want to start messing about with shivans :D
For the POF file, it's floating around somewhere. For the model prototyping file, ask Galemp if he'd be willing to share it.
FAir enough, but TEn quid each?
If you want to borrow the plastic model, then yes.
$10 is about the lowest possible amount we could ask for and still be able to pay it off within a barely reasonable period of time. Of course, we could charge a higher price and get it paid off faster, but I doubt many people would care for that. (But we're always happy to be surprised. :))
$10 is about the price of three cups of coffee at Starbucks, or two movie tickets, or one gourmet hamburger meal. I don't think it's an unreasonable request.
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okay, how much did the model actually cost? (the one being made)
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Yep £10 isn't much i tend to see money in value=beer (10 =3.5pints)
For the Carl-share/holiday thing, do you expect people to pay full whack or say a subsidised value if it makes enough stops? :confused:
*dang i missed it, but outta curiousity, how much did carl cost to (eventually) produce? $40?
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Yep £10 isn't much i tend to see money in value=beer (10 =3.5pints)
Bear in mind that £10 is worth about $18.50. :p
For the Carl-share/holiday thing, do you expect people to pay full whack or say a subsidised value if it makes enough stops? :confused:
Huh?
*dang i missed it, but outta curiousity, how much did carl cost to (eventually) produce? $40?
If you know of a hosting plan that will let us run HLP for three months for $40, please let us know. :p
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I'd rather have hard-light for three months than a plastic toy.
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Did the money for this come out of the HLP Server fund?
If so, this seems like a colossal waste of three hundred odd dollars. I'd much rather see the $330 I donated a few months ago go to keeping the site alive for a little longer than go to making a 6 inch tall piece of plastic that I'm never gonna see.
EDIT: my opinion got ninja'd by Dekker!
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It's an investment, see. We talked it over among the admins before we decided to purchase it. We'll be using it for the HLP Carl exchange -- as mentioned -- as well as for other promotional stuff. Think of it as the HLP Mascot. If we ask for a donation whenever somebody wants to use it, then once it's circulated among enough people, it'll be repaid. And afterward, surplus Carl donations will go to the site fund.
Keep in mind that we have a rather sizable balance remaining in the site fund, even after the model purchase. Several people mentioned that they'd like to see the money used for something beyond just the routine server bills. Well, this is one of those things. None of the money is going into the admins' pockets; it's all going to HLP one way or another.
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I'd gladly send $10-20 to give Carl a Miami vacation. He can puff away at a Cuban if he wants. :pimp:
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It's an investment, see. We talked it over among the admins before we decided to purchase it. We'll be using it for the HLP Carl exchange -- as mentioned -- as well as for other promotional stuff. Think of it as the HLP Mascot. If we ask for a donation whenever somebody wants to use it, then once it's circulated among enough people, it'll be repaid. And afterward, surplus Carl donations will go to the site fund.
Keep in mind that we have a rather sizable balance remaining in the site fund, even after the model purchase. Several people mentioned that they'd like to see the money used for something beyond just the routine server bills. Well, this is one of those things. None of the money is going into the admins' pockets; it's all going to HLP one way or another.
What if, y'know, someone doesn't send it back/breaks it?
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We could try a reusable plastic container (just pay shipping) and only send it out to "proven" community members--as in people with >500 posts or something. Up to the admins really.
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I just have a hard time believing that 34 people are going to pay $10 so that we break even before something happens to it, like people losing interest, or someone breaking/losing it.
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Inevitable dog chewage ensues. I'm for it don't get me wrong. I didn't even think of breakages between transit.
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With the description--it's nothing some Gorilla Glue can't fix. Anyways--maybe have real-life handoffs? I was thinking if we end up with a number of HLP meets, we can generate enough interest with the older and more responsible members of the community that nothing will happen to it. Or what about 2-3 smaller-scale models? Ordering 2-3 models half the size should be cheaper.
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Although I am simply unable to do this due to lack of funds, perhaps we should hand this off to someone who is capable of painting Carl properly, so he doesn't look too silly.
A grey Shivan just doesn't have the fear-factor a colored one possesses.
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I have also no real way of conductin internet transactions atm. I'm working on remeding that problem, but it'll take a while before anything comes of it.
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Meh i'll survive without it.
I look forward to seeing what "japes" it/he gets up to.
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It's an investment, see. We talked it over among the admins before we decided to purchase it. We'll be using it for the HLP Carl exchange -- as mentioned -- as well as for other promotional stuff. Think of it as the HLP Mascot. If we ask for a donation whenever somebody wants to use it, then once it's circulated among enough people, it'll be repaid. And afterward, surplus Carl donations will go to the site fund.
Keep in mind that we have a rather sizable balance remaining in the site fund, even after the model purchase. Several people mentioned that they'd like to see the money used for something beyond just the routine server bills. Well, this is one of those things. None of the money is going into the admins' pockets; it's all going to HLP one way or another.
Meh, I want zod for teh maskot!
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Suggestion... can you post on the Announcement a step by step procedure on how to get the model actual delivered to your home?
I want one for myself :)
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Are you willing to spend $278.37 on it? That's kind of the reason we got it for the board as a whole; we figured people would much rather send it around than buy their own copy.
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ho ho ho....
I kind of thought that the USD10 was too cheap...
I am ok up to USD100, but USD278... hmm... well I guess I will need to pass... but I am ok with the kind of forwarding thing... :)
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damn! carl is going in massive production lines???
:O
wish I lived just arround the corner so I could go on and ask for it too :P
Hey the model itself is paintless, will the final version be like that?? I guess not but I had to ask anyway.
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There will only be one (for now) and it will go around and visit various forumites, then be sent on to the next one. It's unpainted by default but if someone has experience in painting figurines (anyone play Warhammer?) it'd be nice.
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Must admit, I can't help wondering if those models accept acrylic paints...
Of course, I haven't got room to play Warhammer any more, but the options for expanding the armies would be great (if not cheap). ;)
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Of course, I haven't got room to play Warhammer any more, but the options for expanding the armies would be great (if not cheap). ;)
Gonna augument your Tyranids with a couple battalions o' Shivans, are ya ? :D
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Sorry if I missed something but I'm just wondering, since you ask that those interested in borrowing HLP Carl donate >$10, how do we inform you that our donation is intended for that purpose, as opposed to those who aren't participating and are instead donating for the server fund? Or does it not matter?
I just donated $15 for Carl. :)
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Yes, please indicate somewhere that your donation is for the HLP Carl Exchange so that we can keep track of things. There is a "Comments" expandable field in the PayPal donation box; that would be the ideal place to put it. :)
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Oops, I missed that field. :ick:
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First Carl pictures:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56146.0.html
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Lol, crazy. If someone ever told me one of my models would be rapid-prototyped, I would have laughted :p
I'd paint it (I happen to play warhammer and i'm not too bad in the painting department), but I don't have any cash to spare to buy one, sadly.
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We could add your name to the HLP Carl exchange list, and send it to you. :)
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Nah, I don't want anything to do with a $272 thing that doesn't belong to me and I could lose or break :p
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I'd rather have hard-light for three months than a plastic toy.
Did the money for this come out of the HLP Server fund?
If so, this seems like a colossal waste of three hundred odd dollars. I'd much rather see the $330 I donated a few months ago go to keeping the site alive for a little longer than go to making a 6 inch tall piece of plastic that I'm never gonna see.
EDIT: my opinion got ninja'd by Dekker!
It's an investment, see. We talked it over among the admins before we decided to purchase it. We'll be using it for the HLP Carl exchange -- as mentioned -- as well as for other promotional stuff. Think of it as the HLP Mascot. If we ask for a donation whenever somebody wants to use it, then once it's circulated among enough people, it'll be repaid. And afterward, surplus Carl donations will go to the site fund.
Keep in mind that we have a rather sizable balance remaining in the site fund, even after the model purchase. Several people mentioned that they'd like to see the money used for something beyond just the routine server bills. Well, this is one of those things. None of the money is going into the admins' pockets; it's all going to HLP one way or another.
I agree with Dekker and Turey. I've had a recurring subscription going for the last two years that's donated $80. I was told that the money I donated would be used for server hosting, not so that people could buy toys with other people's money.
There was no guarantee that the Shivan toy would ever even earn back the money that was spent on it. Furthermore, none of the people who donated to the HLP hosting fund were even informed that the money that they donated was going to be used for something different than they were told it was going to be used for.
I've canceled my subscription, and I absolutely do not plan on donating to HLP in the future. I will not donate to an organization that I can't trust.
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The timing of your post is just a little bit convenient, WMC. :rolleyes:
Nevertheless, as we've said before, the funds go towards HLP, not toward any particular person. This is not some "toy" that people are playing with. This is something meant to benefit the HLP community as a whole.
And the funds are not limited towards server costs. That's what they're primarily used for, but we're trying to think of ways we can use the funds to benefit the community that are a little more tangible than paying for the server every month.
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I'm going to see what I can do about donating a few more dollars now.
EDIT: Oh well for now--I can't. I'll see what I can do about it in the coming weeks. I support Carl. :P
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The HLP donation page does state:
If the community donates much more than HLP needs, we'll just turn it around and use it for the community by arranging competitions with real prizes and so on.
My subscription was with MatthewPapa, who states:
When you donate to Game Warden, you are directly supporting the mods hosted here. Donations go DIRECTLY and ONLY to server usage fees. No one here makes any money. It every penny is used to support the projects hosted here. Bandwidth is not cheap!
Fury states:
MatthewPapa owns the server and pays the expenses. Both communities admins will do their best to ensure that financial situation stays on green and proper running of the server can be ensured. Both communities had a donation drive earlier, all the donations we have received will be used to pay for the monthly expenses.
So the money I donate to MP, under the auspices of it going "DIRECTLY and ONLY to server usage fees" is being used to provide the excess that HLP Carl was bought with.
Furthermore, based on this thread, about 16% of the money taken out of the hosting fund for HLP Carl has been paid back (Assuming you, Galemp, and CP all paid $10 and the $15 donation from watsisname). So the next time funds get low, and MP asks for a donation to go "DIRECTLY and ONLY" to server fees, $200 of that could be from buying HLP Carl. If all of the people who said they were interested (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55145.0.html) when participation in HLP Carl was free, had donated, you'd still only have 50% of Carl paid for.
It's been my experience that people are a lot more willing to participate in things online that are free, than when somebody takes that free thing and says they have to pay for it. You should've expected people's interest to decrease, not increase, when you required a donation for them to participate. Even if the action figure would be a Shivan rather than a GI Joe - you should always be conservative when dealing with other people's money.
Finally, you should absolutely not have MatthewPapa asking for donations under one set of pretenses when the money is being used for another.
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Okay, let me go down the list here.
1) Nobody is being deceptive or asking for money under false pretenses. There is no conflict between the HLP main page and the Game Warden main page because the two sites are independent. They have separate administrators and separate donation accounts. Although we are "twin" sites, we are not joined at the hip, except for the fact that we reside on the same server.
2) Donations made at HLP go directly into Sandwich's account, whereas donations made at GW go directly (I assume) into MatthewPapa's account. The funds are never pooled together. Instead, Sandwich will periodically transfer money from his account to MP's.
3) The funds for HLP Carl came directly and exclusively from Sandwich's account. Since the accounts are not pooled together, and since we did not siphon money away from MatthewPapa, we did not contradict Game Warden's funding statement.
4) Therefore, the people who donated to MatthewPapa have nothing to worry about; no part of your donation was, or could have been, used for HLP Carl. The people who donated to HLP were notified (based on the web page that WMC indicated) that their donation may be used for community projects "and so on".
5) In no case will donations from either site ever be used for personal enrichment.
6) We don't expect HLP Carl to be paid off instantaneously. We'll ask each person for their contribution upon (or before) their turn in line. Eventually, it'll be paid off. And it's worth noting that most of the HLP Carl donations have been greater than $10.
7) I agree with the free vs. paid participation argument, in general. However, HLP Carl was never free from the beginning, because even with a GI Joe action figure, postage costs money.
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Clearly I got the process wrong, then. :)
I'll leave this up to the HLP Fund folk and HLP Carl people, then.
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On a note for my future donation: I need to get my finances in line. Need to open debit and checking, as well as get a job. Firedog or GeekSquad are better choices than McDonalds or Burger King.
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:bump:
Finances relatively in-line. Has anything happened with this?
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Indeed it has. Still in progress, though. Galemp is getting it next. Stand by for more information. :)
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What's the possession / visitation headcount at :) ?
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It's being held up at it's current location for a very important reason.
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It's being held up at it's current location for a very important reason.
Until Dec 7, I assume?
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Its getting a paintjob?
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Idea: how about a Snuffleupagus plush doll? :lol:
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I'm still on the list, right? :D
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yup.
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Is Carl still being held up?
And i just saw the hall fight cutscene again, and the face on the shivan different from Carls.
The picture is grainy, but you can see the face is different.
The eyes are about right on Carl, but the face isnt triangular enough, Carls face looks like a person with a helmet on.
[attachment stolen by Slimey Goober]
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As you said yourself, the picture is grainy. We used other hi-res references to make Carl. And those references showed a helmet-like feature.
See this (http://www.nightsolo.net/fs2guide/shivan1.bmp) for example.
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Well ok then, but my other question, is Carl still being held up?
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whats the pre-requisite to be put on the list?
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A $10 donation to HLP.
It's worth noting that HLP Carl is on hold for the time being. Soon (very soon) we'll be back in business. :)
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How soon? I may end up going to another convention this year, likely GenCon in Indy. Might be able to get some interesting shots of him there.
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We were back in business as of the time we uploaded the pictures from Volition. :) So if you make the requisite donation, we'll put you on the list.
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You're seriously making a Shivan figure, and naming it after Carl? Have you all forgotten that Carl was an actual forum member, back in the day?
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I haven't. It's just the name of HLP station's 'pet' shivan.
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There seems to be a complete disconnect, though. He's still around. Posts occasionally on some other forums.
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You're seriously making a Shivan figure, and naming it after Carl? Have you all forgotten that Carl was an actual forum member, back in the day?
...I'd assume that the very reason they named this figure Carl was because of the actual forum user, and the local meme that he generated. :p
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Yea I don't think it's a coincidence. And has he even posted here recently?
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Not in a long while, if I remember correctly.
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Plastic is so... hard. I want a plush Carl! :nod:
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Plastic is so... hard. I want a plush Carl! :nod:
I don't want to know why this would be an issue :shaking:
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Someone make a beany Carl! :lol:
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I can't quite imagine a cuddly shivan.
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Well someone imagined cuddly germs.
Speaking of, considering the whole FS3-on-XBOX debacle, maybe we could lend Carl to Arby 'n' the Chief so he can pay them a little visit :)
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Carl was named after Adam the Terran and Bob the Vasudan, as the original races were just named A, B and C. Hence the big angry C chasing the human around on the ST secret movies.
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The first time I saw a reference to Carl was in the old Tell a Story thread. I never figured out whether the guy named himself after that thread or if he registered with that name and learned about the thread later on. :p
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A plush shivan would've been a better investment. Or rather a plush Shivan shop - where users could buy plushy shivans. And plushy vasudans.
You could pay for the server that way. In part.
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Like on the CafePress store.
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Yea I don't think it's a coincidence. And has he even posted here recently?
He still posts on WS.
Lawlz.