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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Vip on August 28, 2006, 06:54:37 am
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Well, recently I was looking at the new, shiny, high-poly models for FSO, and as always stopped for a quite long moment at the Hades one (it was the first time I've seen it). Suddenly I got this strange feeling I know this ship somehow... I turned the FS2 intro, and what ??? Tadaaa, we have there a Hades !!!
It appears just after the scene where Herc is being shot down. then we have this fog, Freespace 2 logo (voila !!) and a shot on the planet's surface (Deneb, I think). Take a look at the crashed ship there... I'm almost 100% sure it's a Hades...
Just what the heck a Hades did there ?!? Well, I haven't played ST, but I suppose it was destroyed by our hero, Alpha 1 ;)
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:welcome:
The FS2 intro has a whole bunch of mistakes in it. Ships firing from the wrong places, the Hades appearing on the surface of a planet when it was destroyed in another star system.
No idea why really.
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My question is why there's a damned Faustus in there. Not to mention the lack of the other Orions we know were involved in the Battle of Deneb, although at least they had the sense to slap the Hope in there. Honestly, it's almost as if :v: got a third-party to make that cutscene.
Pretty, though.
Edit: Actually, on second thought, only the Legion was present at that phase of the battle, no? I mean, the Galatea was destroyed elsewhere if I remember correctly...
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I remember the Galetea being destroyed at Deneb, but apparantly, the Orion getting the smack down by the Lucy in that cutscene is not the Galatea.
So, that's the Hades on the planet? I was wondering what that was. My perspective was off, I actually thought it was a fighter, like a tangled up Apollo or something. That is strange... I did learn that the voice for the intro is apparantly done by Stephen Baldwin, Alec Balwin's brother. I always assumed it was voiced by the same guy who did Admiral Bosch.
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There is a lot of inconsistenses around of FS2, the Intro and Endgame1 cutscenes are not scepcion...
In the Intro if you look well, even the shoots of the orion go in the wrong direction :P, their come to the turrets instead of go away :P
The Hades... well it looks like the Hades, but none is 100% sure. Personally, I always think that is the Hades :P
And in the Endgame... Commands says that only few people remains, one convoy, and their also say the the "mayority of the fleet is fending off a masive attack on the Vega node", when in the endgame shows there is a lot of big fighting in system :P (Including a Vasudan destroyer blowing up :P).
In the Campaing... well... I assume that every one remains snipes saying "We have incoming, Ravana class cruiser, dessingnation Nebiros..." or "Command this is the Reneret (or wharever), we a detecting two wings of Mara fighters at six thousand meters from our position, the enemy is not engage". Or the great problem which the fs2 timeline...
I still not sure why :v: could do the best space game ever and comit so obius mistakes at the same time :P
P.D. The intro movie never shows the Name of the Orion... so... I asume that fight is the fight in the Vasudan prime Jump Node.
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IIRC Volition actually contracted a separate company for a few of the cutscenes, who probably weren't familiar with the FS1 story and just used whatever looked cool.
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Or maybe there was another Hades? :drevil:
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:welcome:
The FS2 intro has a whole bunch of mistakes in it. Ships firing from the wrong places, the Hades appearing on the surface of a planet when it was destroyed in another star system.
No idea why really.
I thought someone said a while back that Interplay made the intro cutscene and screwed it all up...
... Speaking of plotholes, in the mission 'The Great Hunt' the breifing shows the Iblis as a Lilith class cruiser, but the Lysander says "Cain class vessel coming into veiw..." and it is a cain class vessel, but it's the Iblis.
:nervous:
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No doubt a Lilith was thought to be too much of a challenge and was swiftly changed.
The mission was definitely FREDded with a Lilith in mind. You only need look at the event names for proof of that.
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There are quite a few briefing inconsistencies like that in the game. One of the stranger ones is in sm2-09, where they say that the Sopedu will back you up but a different corvette, the Thutmose, appears in the mission.
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Or maybe there was another Hades? :drevil:
Or maybe there wasn't!
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Or maybe there was another Hades? :drevil:
Or maybe there wasn't!
I think there was because A) in the tech description it hints at the GTVA trying to recreate it. B) If they did recreate it, it wouldn't be as good. Hence no shivan super lasers and half the hitpoints.
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I think they were going to bring the Hades back in... err, the next game, the one who's name is unspeakable here.
The Hades project seemed to me like it was too valuable to simply throw away. The debriefing of Silent Threat's final missions states that it had "Shivan defense systems", that, at the time of the attack, hadn't been activated. Does this mean Lucifer-style shields? Imagine what that could do against the Shivans! (Please, let's not go into the whole argument on whether modern beam guns can pierce Lucy-shields. :ick:)
And the tech description hints at rebuilding the Hades. Who knows?
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But that was quite a bit of years before FS2. Had Hades had any revolutinary and working technology, it would have been integrated in to newer designs. Improvements we see in newer ships are beams and flak. Or maybe Hades had some fancy Shivan powerbook that didn't work no matter what. Or the technology was about new computers and/or targetting systems and/or sensors.
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IIRC Volition actually contracted a separate company for a few of the cutscenes, who probably weren't familiar with the FS1 story and just used whatever looked cool.
The same is for beam cannons.
And the tech description hints at rebuilding the Hades. Who knows?
Yup.Something is covered in "TheSouthernCross".
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Or maybe after seeing that the Hades get destroyed by a single fighter they decided it was a bit **** and didn't bother building another one :)
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Yes. But that was a very special fighter. It had a special high tech addon called... RUBBER BAND!!
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I think they were going to bring the Hades back in... err, the next game, the one who's name is unspeakable here.
The Hades project seemed to me like it was too valuable to simply throw away. The debriefing of Silent Threat's final missions states that it had "Shivan defense systems", that, at the time of the attack, hadn't been activated. Does this mean Lucifer-style shields? Imagine what that could do against the Shivans! (Please, let's not go into the whole argument on whether modern beam guns can pierce Lucy-shields. :ick:)
And the tech description hints at rebuilding the Hades. Who knows?
'Modern' (FS2-era) weaponry is powerful enough to breach the Lucifer shields anyways, it was simply a case that FS1 tech was too weak; I believe one of the devs said such on the VBB (albeit they did have to find some way to explain the lack of Lucys' or shielded capships in FS2).
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The Hades died people.. let it go........ ::)
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That's MACROSS, not Southern Cross.
And IMHO it's not wreckage of the Hades, but instead the remains of SDF-1 (that was just rammed by Khyron). Also that is not a Herc, but instead a downed Zentreadi fighter as you can clearly see the dead pilot holding his Minmay doll...
(much sarcasim)... :P
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The Hades died people.. let it go........ ::)
never
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OK, fair enoough.............
;)
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That's MACROSS, not Southern Cross.
What the Hell?I'm talking about MY campaign,I know how it's called! ;)
Yes. But that was a very special fighter. It had a special high tech addon called... RUBBER BAND!!
Bosch's one?
Or maybe after seeing that the Hades get destroyed by a single fighter they decided it was a bit **** and didn't bother building another one :)
they have decided to rebuilt the Hades to know what exactly GTI boys did...
Anyone created a new Hades with more turrets?