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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Tyrian on November 15, 2008, 03:39:50 pm
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I've got a friend of mine who stumbled across a private server for playing World of Warcraft, so that he doesn't have to pay Blizzard $15 a month to play. I'm thinking of joining him on that server, but I'm wondering, is it legit to play on there? Or does is constitute theft of service?
I have the link for the server's website that tells how to set up your game to connect, but I don't want to post it in the event that it violates HLP's no posting of pirated content rules...
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I've got a friend of mine who stumbled across a private server for playing World of Warcraft, so that he doesn't have to pay Blizzard $15 a month to play. I'm thinking of joining him on that server, but I'm wondering, is it legit to play on there? Or does is constitute theft of service?
I have the link for the server's website that tells how to set up your game to connect, but I don't want to post it in the event that it violates HLP's no posting of pirated content rules...
Doesn't that answer your own question? If the content on the site is illegal anyway and you know it, it can't possibly be legal to associate with them.
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Well... what you pay to Blizzard is server maintenance and bandwidth cost, with which you gain permission ot play on Blizzard-maintained official server. I don't think blizzard can force you to paly on their server, and if you find someone who's willing to give the same service with zero price, you can play there and Blizzard doesn't really have anything to say to it since it's not like the game itself is pirated when you own it. Server just serves, the game is yours. Though you might want to ask if the server's owner has anything against spreading the news... they might not want just anyone to join in and flood the server.
But, don't trust my word on it. Read the EULA of WoW carefully, and wait for OK from an admin or moderator for final word if you're in doubt. But from my point of view, there doesn't seem to be anything illegal about playing a multiplayer game on a non-official server.
If Blizzard thinks they can force people to play on certain servers (which cost money) then they suck. And if the game allows hosting a dedicated server and people can join it, then I don't know what the problem is... :nervous:
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I've got a friend of mine who stumbled across a private server for playing World of Warcraft, so that he doesn't have to pay Blizzard $15 a month to play. I'm thinking of joining him on that server, but I'm wondering, is it legit to play on there? Or does is constitute theft of service?
I have the link for the server's website that tells how to set up your game to connect, but I don't want to post it in the event that it violates HLP's no posting of pirated content rules...
Doesn't that answer your own question? If the content on the site is illegal anyway and you know it, it can't possibly be legal to associate with them.
I have the link for the server's website that tells how to set up your game to connect, but I don't want to post it in the event that it violates HLP's no posting of pirated content rules...
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But, don't trust my word on it. Read the EULA of WoW carefully, and wait for OK from an admin or moderator for final word if you're in doubt. But from my point of view, there doesn't seem to be anything illegal about playing a multiplayer game on a non-official server.
I don't think any EULA (for something like a game) has ever been enforced by the law (in the U.S., at least).
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The way I view it, you (hopefully) paid for the game itself, and won't be using up bandwidth*. I can't imagine how that would be considered illegal, other than by some money-grubbing CEO.
*If you don't download patches from them, which I consider to be a given for purchasing the content in the first place.
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@Ghostavo -- I should have been clearer in my initial post, the Blizzard files that they host on the site are patches. I own a legal copy of World of Warcraft, however, I don't own the Burning Crusade, which they do run on the server. My comment on "pirated content" was in regards to a small file that allows you to access BC content.
@Herra -- Given that, I think I should be OK to post the link to the server's website. If it's a problem, hopefully an admin will just remove it without banning me... :nervous:
Here it is: *Link removed by poster*
Also, I don't think I can really ask a mod/admin from Blizzard because I canceled my account over a year ago. My real concern is over the legality of downloading the patches/other files from the above site that allows me to access BC content. I'm specifically concerned about the file in step 2 of the cookbook here (*Link removed by poster*), the Burning Crusade client upgrade. Is that legit?
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Is the burning crusty patch freely downloadable from Blizzard, or do you need to purchase it?
If the former, then it's legit; if the latter, then it's not. And I was referring to HLP mods/admins, not blizzard's ones to make a judgement on this case.
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if it asks you to download something for burning crusade, then you probably can't connect to the sever without the whole expansion.
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Most of the expansion's content is included in the patches. I played the basic version of WoW, and I could see the level 70 skills and spells, I just couldn't use them because of the level cap being set at 60.
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just go buy BC. with the money you save from not paying for the severs you should be able to afford methinks.
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Regarding the step 2 of the cookbook, the US link is from Blizzard's World of WarCraft website, so I'd wager it's a legit download. Unless Blizzard has an unsecure server...
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WoW patches can be downloaded freely from 3rd party sites. Burning Crusade expansion must be bought if you want to visit Outlands or any other zones that comes with the expansion, and you can't level your toons past lvl 60 without the expansion. The expansion can be downloaded from Blizzard, possibly also elsewhere too but you have to buy it to use it on Blizzard servers.
Also, 3rd party private servers are illegal. The only legit servers are Blizzard's. Keep in mind that 3rd party private servers can be used for malicious purposes as well, I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
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those guys stole their content from a private server i play on. ghaa.. thats the worst part actually...
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I actually played on a private server, but I have both originals, so I didn't really think so much about it.
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you can download the client for free. playing it on blizzards servers isnt free. the reason why the private servers arent pursued is because they (for the most part that is) are not using copyrighted material for making money nor do they have access to original Blizzard's server scripts. Most good private servers have private programmers who make these scripts so the servers can be playable. so in essence, all the private servers are actually just somewhat good emulations of blizz servers.
that said, i enjoy the private servers much more than i enjoyed blizz servers.
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Hmm...Given then the somewhat shady nature of private servers, are there any that have good reputations?
@pecenipicek -- Given your prior comment regarding stolen content, is there server you'd recommend?
@Fury -- I've removed the links from my prior post.
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I don't think blizzard can force you to paly on their server
well, actually they can. You agreed to the Terms of Use by buying the product and it's in there :)
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Well, I stand corrected:
Only Blizzard or its licensees have the right to host the Game. You may not host or provide matchmaking services for the Game, or intercept, emulate or redirect the proprietary communication protocols used by Blizzard in connection with the Program, regardless of the method used to do so. Such prohibited methods may include, but are not limited to, protocol emulation, reverse engineering, modifying the Program, adding unauthorized components to the Program, or using a packet sniffer while the Program is running.
Just one more reason never to get involved in that game (or, as it may well be, any other MMORPGS). Not that I had any reason to even consider it in the first place... :rolleyes:
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I don't think blizzard can force you to paly on their server
well, actually they can. You agreed to the Terms of Use by buying the product and it's in there :)
http://xkcd.com/501/
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Yeah, I saw that too... It seems like the goal of most EULAs and copyright law is to make consumers angry. I wonder what would happen if you sent an email to Blizzard saying that by opening this email they agree to render their EULA null and void. Just for kicks, you could have it notarized...
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http://xkcd.com/501/
Heh. Appropriate.
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Just one more reason never to get involved in that game (or, as it may well be, any other MMORPGS). Not that I had any reason to even consider it in the first place... :rolleyes:
My view of MMOs, you've only got one life to live, you might as well live it in the real world not some pixelated fantasy one. In the end all of your achievements are nothing more than numbers in a database. In the past I've played something like UT quite a bit, but nowadays I only buy games for the single player. If the game doesn't have a story with a beginning and an end I don't want any part of it.
Real life doesn't cost you 15 bucks a month either.
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I agree, Akalabeth. But I tend to approach all games the same way: It's a nice place to go for a couple of hours, but I wouldn't want to live there. In my book, real life is always better than a video game.
All in all, I don't think I'm going to take the private server option. There's just too many security threats, especially with the server admins potentially having access to the Warden, WoW's anti-cheating/game protection software. What research I've done indicates it has a few too many similarities to a rootkit, in that someone who knows what they're doing can use it as a backdoor into your system. I disliked it what it was in the hands of Blizzard, but it really scares me in the hands of a 3rd party entity.
Thanks for the advice and feedback.
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toons
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Avatars, Characters etc :) Basically, the role you yourself are playing.
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Now a days Avatar tends to remind me of Aang though...
IMO you should just play the best MMORPG ever created! Its got a constantly changing world, fill with excitement and lots of hidden secrets. Everyone is playing it! Best of all its free, no subscription, no need to download anything!
The game is called Real Life!
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living isnt free.
Remember, TANSTAAFL. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL)
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Now a days Avatar tends to remind me of Aang though...
Bleh.
Avatar for me, has and will always be first and foremost connected to U4.
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In the end all of your achievements are nothing more than numbers in a database.
That's a bankrupt argument, always has been, always will be. In a couple hundred years, your real life achievements will be that much too. If you're lucky. Why pretend otherwise? Why wait?
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In the end all of your achievements are nothing more than numbers in a database.
That's a bankrupt argument, always has been, always will be. In a couple hundred years, your real life achievements will be that much too. If you're lucky. Why pretend otherwise? Why wait?
Eh, wrong.
Anyone who has children demonstrates otherwise. Even if those children of children of children of children a hundred years off forget you even existed, they exist because of the parents who bore the first. Faith aside, children are the only real form of immortality.
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Blizzard is notoriously sue happy for enforcing their control over their games. They sued the bnet emulators into non-existence and crushed a bunch of supporting websites with a deluge of Cease and Desist. and that was for games without a monthly access fee...
Short answer is: HLP probably wants to be nowhere near something like this.