[General Battuta]

I also made ships fly in pretty circles long time ago for babylon project but more I'd admit. However just gotta do about 10x what I've done so far, put in a quick story and ding!!!

Ding? More like 'plop'. The campaign you're describing would be very much worse than Beyond the Red Line's two-mission campaign.

AND MIND YOU MY MAPS ARE NOT ****. Thousands of maps get released everyday and uploaded on epicwar, hive etc etc. I've surpassed the vast majority of noobish pieces of 'metoo' maps that are nothing more than altered melee, some crappy renamed villagers where somehow that paladin is now called a 'alien', and other improvised spit. Those usually get rejected on the spot so you don;t see them on hive. go to www.epicwar.com download the first 10 maps you see. I'm probably better than 8 of them.

No one gives a **** about your ability to make a single Warcraft 3 map. You keep saying you 'only do maps', and apparently it takes you three month a map to produce something of good quality.

Diaspora has more to do than 'maps'.

Oh who am I directing this to? Whoever is stopping me from making my campaign. No matter how **** it is you have no right to stop me from trying.

You can make the campaign - and get burned - when the game comes out. In fact we encourage you to. But you have no right to ***** about how long the game is taking when you don't even understand how much more has to be done.

And don't kid yourself. There will not be over 10,000 people on multiplayer. It'll be a miracle if it ever breaks 1000.

[Qent]

You can make the campaign - and get burned - when the game comes out. In fact we encourage you to. But you have no right to ***** about how long the game is taking when you don't even understand how much more has to be done.

In fact, there's nothing stopping you from making a campaign right now for vanilla FS2 or for one of the mods that are out there. People would give you much more credit if you release a good FS2 campaign before telling Diaspora they're doing it wrong.

[Angelus]

You keep NOT READING THIS:

THE ASSETS ARE NOT DONE. THE CODE IS NOT DONE. THE WORK YOU ARE SUGGESTING YOU COULD DO IS ABOUT 1% OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

There is no outside to source from. It's just the Diaspora team.

And, again, you've never FREDded a mission, have you?

Fine, I'm sorry if you were talking about all the stuff you did from day one till now.
However...
Now that the code is done-ish (or are you STILL doing that? code takes time I understand that I'll just pack up and return when its done) and you already have the transport model (if not I'll just import the one from BTRL), you already have the viper model (again if not i'll import), the basestar... I'm not sure how far along you are there, seemed done enough to me, and the battlestar...  

The Diaspora team is actually aiming to release a polished, bugfree final release of R1, so no chance that ANYONE gets the models before R1 is ready, not even if God would give you two stone tablets with the order to release them.

haha, let's assume the Diaspora team would for whatever reason, give you the Battlestar and the Basestar. To use them in BtrL you would have to either upscale them, or downscale the BtrL assets ( Vipers, miner...). I can tell you that's not fun. That's not THAT easy. That's not a quick job, 'cause with increasing size ( in polycount and subsytems, lods, debries ...) i gets harder and more time consuming.

Have fun with that.

Fredded? I did a simple dogfight with 2 orions as part of 'training', saw that theres no one on multiplayer, said FGSFDS and left.

I also made ships fly in pretty circles long time ago for babylon project but more I'd admit. However just gotta do about 10x what I've done so far, put in a quick story and ding!!!

That's NOT how you create a mission or a campaign. No, definately not.

AND MIND YOU MY MAPS ARE NOT ****. Thousands of maps get released everyday and uploaded on epicwar, hive etc etc. I've surpassed the vast majority of noobish pieces of 'metoo' maps that are nothing more than altered melee, some crappy renamed villagers where somehow that paladin is now called a 'alien', and other improvised spit. Those usually get rejected on the spot so you don;t see them on hive. go to www.epicwar.com download the first 10 maps you see. I'm probably better than 8 of them.

This is NOT the WOW community. We do things differently here, simply because it's a entirely different game/ genre.
We are not giving ratings in form of numbers ( e.g. 2/5 ), we give mostly constructive criticism to people who can be bothered to actually read other people posts.

[Mongoose]

This thread is ****ing legendary.

[newman]

This thread is ****ing legendary.

My thoughts exactly. I bet it'll be remembered - and laughed at - for years to come

[Aardwolf]

So I was reading through this thread and at first I thought he meant 'textures' when he said maps, but apparently he meant WarCraft-style maps ('missions')

Anyway, uh...

IronForge, nobody's stopping you from trying to do the entire Diaspora team's job in less time, but you're not going to convince anyone to join you.

[Rebound]

 This has quite possibly been the most entertaining portion of my day. IronForge's reading comprehension alone is amazing. My personal favorite part of his posts is he sounds like he fell out of a meme tree and hit every /b/ranch on the way down. It's one thing to go to *chans its another to constantly talk like you are posting on them everywhere you go on the internet.  I am now honestly looking forward to R1 not for the original campaign but for the amazing campaign that we will have within a month afterwards. It will be an extra amazing campaign because not only do we get to play it (only on multiplayer of course because Lord of Mods IronForge cant lower himself to making single player missions) we also get to enjoy it's complete lack of sound,music, and plot. We also apparently get to bug test it and pretty much do everything for it except the most basic elements of creating the campaign.  Honestly though I am vaguely scared that he will actually make a campaign,it will get out there and people will download it around the time R1 and Diaspora will get judged not only on its own merits but also on Super(mediocre at best)Campaign.  Part of me wishes Kara or one of the other Mods would pull the trigger already on him but the rest of me is always amused by his threads. In fact Kara should pin this thread  and add the content of all of IronForge's previous threads and put it all under a new heading " All of this has happened before and will happen again."

[StarSlayer]

Reading this thread is like walking into the Eternity Bar on Illium and seeing a certain someone in replica N7 armor harassing the bartender about Red Sand.  Only the Internet doesn't support Renegade Interrupts.

Oh but if it did...

[FraktuRe]

So guys, how about a good old fashion physics debate?

[Fish]

The Diaspora team are producing something large, of very high quality. IronForge wants to produce something small of passable quality. You're not even arguing for the same thing, which is why it's descended into farce.

What's especially baffling is that it's continuing, because IronForge thinks people here care about his Warcraft stuff and is getting defensive, rather than conceding that he underestimated the scope and quality of the Diaspora team's efforts.

My personal interpretation for that is that he's unable to imagine a world outside his particular internet community - he's shown no comprehension that people here do things differently, and hence that results in a different timeframe. He also says he routinely spends 20-hour days for weeks on end making maps. That's dedication, but it suggests very little connection to the real world.

That said, I'm glad everyone's finding some kind of humour in it this time! I'm perfectly patient to wait 'until it's done', and my biggest fear is that the dev team will take offence at some ingrate and pack up and leave. 

[Mongoose]

That said, I'm glad everyone's finding some kind of humour in it this time! I'm perfectly patient to wait 'until it's done', and my biggest fear is that the dev team will take offence at some ingrate and pack up and leave. 

As someone who's been acquainted with certain members of this team for several years now, I can assure you that it'll take far more than the odd inane post to make them quit this project.

[karajorma]

I do 20 hour days for 2 weeks before release for Alpha Test and then call it quits. My maps arn't great (only one so far) but 3.2/5 aint bad. In fact I call it a success.

Okay I was bored. I visited the link you posted. A score of 3.2/5 means that there are 2960 pages of maps better than yours. Each page seems to have around 20 maps meaning that there are at least 40,000 maps better than yours on that board alone (very conservative rounding down). It also means that given that there are ~4600 pages (many of which haven't been rated at all) your map is on average more **** than everyone else's. A lot more **** in fact.

If that's the level of mediocrity you are happy with in your own chosen modding field then so be it. But maybe you should consider that the reason BtRL was as excellent as you believe it was is actually because the people involved in making it (almost all of whom are now on this team) weren't happy to release rubbish.

That said, I'm glad everyone's finding some kind of humour in it this time! I'm perfectly patient to wait 'until it's done', and my biggest fear is that the dev team will take offence at some ingrate and pack up and leave. 

I can assure you that the team find IronForge hilarious rather than offensive.

We're tempted to adopt him as our village idiot in fact, you know, someone to scamper about and amuse the locals with his complete bewilderment at tasks other people find incredibly easy to grasp.

[newman]

We're tempted to adopt him as our village idiot in fact, you know, someone to scamper about and amuse the locals with his complete bewilderment at tasks other people find incredibly easy to grasp.

It's too bad one can't have two custom titles.. can he?

[karajorma]

There are ways around that.

[KaraHater]

Sick of all this typical bull**** from Karajorma. What a waste of a person.

Its the same thing since BTRL, oh yeah were working on it, it will be done when its done. Load of rubbish.

You could not create a snow fight in the North Pole.

An im sure all your loyal idiot supporters will respond with how 'great' you are, but really me, and a few others have been talking on HLP through messages, and we agree: you are a complete ass.

Sick of your double standards, bullying tactics, and general being a dick!

[karajorma]

Feel free to leave then. What with this being the Diaspora forum I tend to keep a lot of my dickitude confined here. I especially love how you're too cowardly to use your real name though.

Oh and banned.

[newman]

OMG that thing you don't owe us and are doing it for free anyway isn't done yet? Bastards!

[FraktuRe]

I wish I was stupid enough to have my own custom title.

[Jeff Vader]

Sick of all this typical bull**** from Karajorma. What a waste of a person.

Its the same thing since BTRL, oh yeah were working on it, it will be done when its done. Load of rubbish.

You could not create a snow fight in the North Pole.

An im sure all your loyal idiot supporters will respond with how 'great' you are, but really me, and a few others have been talking on HLP through messages, and we agree: you are a complete ass.

Sick of your double standards, bullying tactics, and general being a dick!

Opinions are great and everyone should have them.  

I wish I was stupid enough to have my own custom title.

But isn't it more cool to be smart enough to not end up with a custom title? Edit: Never mind. You asked for it.

[karajorma]

The funniest thing is that anyone on the BtRL forum during the early day would know full well that we kept up the "It will be done when it's done" all the way until we released the demo.

So it's not like it's new behaviour or indicative of the fact that we won't produce something.

I guess some people just have a ridiculous sense of entitlement.

I wish I was stupid enough to have my own custom title.

Happy now?