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Announcements => Getting Started => Topic started by: jr2 on July 13, 2007, 03:30:05 am
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I didn't feel like creating a new thread, so I'l just add this stuff here, at the very beginning of the first post of this thread.
If you have problems with any of the FreeSpace games, please post at the FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board. This is General FreeSpace Discussion board: you know, just some general stuff about FreeSpace. Preferrably no problem-solving here, kthxbai.
If you are having problems with FreeSpace, FreeSpace 2 or FreeSpace Open, please read through the Troubleshooting FAQ (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56279.0.html). It lists all the most common problems and solutions, and in 95% of the cases, it helps you solve whatever problem it is you're having. If you can't find an answer to your question there, feel free to ask; we're here to help you. But if you are going to start a thread about a problem, do it according to the following guidelines:
- modding-related questions (like what tools to use when modding) belong in the FreeSpace Modding board
- FRED-related question belong to the FRED Discussion board
- problems with total conversions (like The Babylon Project or Wing Commander Saga) belong to their respective boards
- mod/campaign-specific problems belong either to the mod's release thread or just in the Missions and Campaigns board
- all other problems (like installation problems) belong to the FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
By posting in the right place you'll increase the chances of someone replying and helping you, and also help keep HLP in order. Thank you.
-- Jeff Vader
From karajorma's BtRL Tech Help and FAQ Thread (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62754&postcount=2):
About 90% of the time this sort of error is related to one of three sound errors or a graphics one.
1) You didn't install OpenAL (http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx); also found at www.openal.org ). If you didn't run this before running the game, run it now and see if that cures the problem.
2) Your OpenAL install is corrupt (Windows users check Windows\System32 for either ct_oal.dll or nvopenal.dll. These are the OpenAL 1.0 .dlls and they are causing the screwup. Delete them and run the OpenAL installer again). If that doesn't work try deleting OpenAL32.dll and wrap_oal.dll and then running the OpenAL installer again. NOTE: Re-installing drivers for your sound card, or installing drivers for a different sound card might install OpenAL 1.0 over your current OpenAL.
3) You (windows users only) selected something other than Generic Software from the Launcher's Audio tab. Switch it back.
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/Misc-Pics/BtRL/Tech%20Help/Launcher-Audio.jpg)
4) If you have an Intel-based on-board graphics card, you might have to try Direct 3D. FIRST, TRY UPDATING YOUR DRIVERS FROM INTEL (http://www.intel.com)! (direct link to download center here (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/default.aspx), works as of 6/17/08, select your GFX product from the left panel). If this doesn't work, and you must use Direct3D, keep in mind that it's currently unsupported; which means if you get graphical problems using this option, don't cry about it... you were warned! ;)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/Misc-Pics/BtRL/Tech%20Help/Launcher-Video.jpg)
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4) Is BtRL specific. It won't affect FS2_Open. You might want to make that a suggestion to try D3D on Intel cards though. :)
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Is that good? ;)
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Yeah. Looks better to me. You might want to explain that unsupported means that you're largely on your own if you get graphical glitches.
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kk, that better?
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I'd sticky this. 1 and 2 are VERY common problems to FS2 Open.
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Done for now :) But I think I'm going to take a look at un-stickying one of two of the stickies in the next day or so.
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@jr2: You should PM kalfireth about putting this in the "read me before posting" thread in the FSO support forum.
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I downloaded the mods,. how do I get them integrated into FS2?
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Mod Installation: Playing mods with FSO is very simple. Put all of the mod contents into it's own folder inside the main FS folder (just like you did with the Media VPs, except a different name). Now, create a text file in that folder using notepad. Copy and paste this into it:
[launcher]
image255x112 = ;
infotext = This is a Freespace Modifacation ;
website = ;
forum = http://www.hard-light.net/;
[multimod]
secondrylist = ,mediavps;
Save it as "mod.ini". Make sure it saves as an ini file!! There! Now you can use your mods and the Media VPs at the same time.
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you lost me, I don't evne know which files are the mods.
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Erg.... I will explain later, maybe... either that or make a tutorial. Go read karajorma's FAQ (top of HLP page you're looking at > External Sites > The FreeSpace FAQ), why don't you? It'd be much easier on me. XD
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OpenAL may cause trouble sometimes........i don't think it will cause problems most of the time..........Maybe your right about steps 1 and 2......
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At least half of the problems I deal with on a daily basis are OpenAL related. It's not OpenAL itself that's the problem. The problem is the installation of OpenAL. Either people don't have it or they have a corrupt version of it.
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I have Open ALwEX, downloaded on 5-27-07 and Open al installer downloaded on 5-27-07, if anybody needs them let me know. I can up them on one of several free file sharing sites.
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/me looks at karajorma
Can a mod or admin move or copy this the the FSOpen support thread plz? Thx.
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Copy it and post it yourself. I think we need a copy here too.
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Done (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,48621.0.html).
But, what did you mean byI think we need a copy here too.
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I think he means we need a copy here in General FreeSpace Discussion as this is likely where newb's would visit with a problem FS_Open not starting. They probably wouldn't even think of looking in the support forum as that could be support for this board and not for the game!
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Got it in one. :)
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I know its been a while since this thread was posted in, however, I wanted to add to the issue of OpenAL corruption. I think it most often occurs when someone installs new sound drivers, or replaces a sound card, even if it uses the same drivers as before, e.g., going from one SB Live! card to another that will actually work with the Live! Drive IR you just got. When you switch sound hardware or drivers under windows, please reinstall OpenAL before attempting to run anything that uses it.
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@coders / troubleshooters: ...should I tag that onto the first post?
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Many drivers install old versions of OpenAL. It might be worth warning people to expect the possibility that changing drivers might result in the install of v1.0.
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4) If you have an Intel-based on-board graphics card, you might have to try Direct 3D, even though it's currently unsupported; which means if you get graphical problems using this option, don't cry about it... you were warned! ;)
I can confirm that FreeSpace SCP runs in OpenGL on an Intel G33/G31 Express Chipset Family graphics card.
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jr2, you should also add that users with Intel graphics cards should get their graphics adapters updated to the latest version. All the solutions listed in the first post of this thread did not work for me until I updated my graphics cards.
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If quazwsk/someone else with an Intel card can confirm this and if jr2 shows no signs of activity during the next few days, I think I can edit the stickied thread on the Support board (it's the same set of instructions written by jr2, except that no one has replied to that thread).
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Here's the link to my issue with FS2_Open until taylor told me to upgrade my card adapter (which solved everything). (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,50767.0.html)
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I'll do a screen capture and stick it on a file hosting site.
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If quazwsk/someone else with an Intel card can confirm this and if jr2 shows no signs of activity during the next few days, I think I can edit the stickied thread on the Support board (it's the same set of instructions written by jr2, except that no one has replied to that thread).
Update it, and give me a link, I'll update this one with that info... orrrr, something. ;) EDIT: better?
From karajorma's BtRL Tech Help and FAQ Thread (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62754&postcount=2):
About 90% of the time this sort of error is related to one of three sound errors or a graphics one.
1) You didn't install OpenAL; found at www.openal.org ). If you didn't run this before running the game, run it now and see if that cures the problem.
2) Your OpenAL install is corrupt (Windows users check Windows\System32 for either ct_oal.dll or nvopenal.dll. These are the OpenAL 1.0 .dlls and they are causing the screwup. Delete them and run the OpenAL installer again). If that doesn't work try deleting OpenAL32.dll and wrap_oal.dll and then running the OpenAL installer again. NOTE: Re-installing drivers for your sound card, or installing drivers for a different sound card might install OpenAL 1.0 over your current OpenAL.
3) You (windows users only) selected something other than Generic Software from the Launcher's Audio tab. Switch it back.
[img]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/Misc-Pics/BtRL/Tech%20Help/Launcher-Audio.jpg[/img]
4) If you have an Intel-based on-board graphics card, you might have to try Direct 3D. FIRST, TRY UPDATING YOUR DRIVERS FROM INTEL (http://www.intel.com)! (direct link to download center here (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/default.aspx), works as of 6/17/08, select your GFX product from the left panel). If this doesn't work, and you must use Direct3D, keep in mind that it's currently unsupported; which means if you get graphical problems using this option, don't cry about it... you were warned! ;)
[img]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/Misc-Pics/BtRL/Tech%20Help/Launcher-Video.jpg[/img]
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Update it, and give me a link, I'll update this one with that info... orrrr, something. ;)
:wtf: Um, I just copied your stuff to that other thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,48621.0.html). K? For I has a power.
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Oh, noes, ph34r h1m!!11oneoneeleven xD Ya, IK that. Hmm, I forgot that I posted in that other thread, I thought it was someone else for some reason. :rolleyes:
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mediafire is being a pain, anyone know any decent free hosting sites?
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How big a file were we talking about? You could attach it to a post where people, such as myself, could download it and then find a hosting solution.
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mediafire is being a pain, anyone know any decent free hosting sites?
...Windows Live SkyDrive? :nervous:
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mediafire is being a pain, anyone know any decent free hosting sites?
MegaUpload (http://www.megaupload.com/) and RapidShare (http://rapidshare.com/) are the big ones. MegaUpload is better than RapidShare though.
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It's on Megaupload:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HYEGVZI9 (wmv, sorry!)
Don't mind the epic fail of my piloting skills, or the Windows Live Messenger popup thingys
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4) If you have an Intel-based on-board graphics card, you might have to try Direct 3D. FIRST, TRY UPDATING YOUR DRIVERS FROM INTEL (http://www.intel.com)! (direct link to download center here (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/default.aspx), works as of 6/17/08, select your GFX product from the left panel). If this doesn't work, and you must use Direct3D, keep in mind that it's currently unsupported; which means if you get graphical problems using this option, don't cry about it... you were warned! ;)
Woo! I helped!
*goes back to lurking and mucking about on blender*
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Woo! I helped!
I was going to fry you for that, but unfortunately, Lobo already did, so I can't fry you again or Goobler will get upset. xD Consider yourself fried once more.
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Hey, guys! I recently got the 3.6.10 SCP Beta and got it installed, but I'm having a problem. When I clicked on the ready room, my game crashed during the loading. I've had this happen to me before on the earlier builds, but that would happen after about five to ten missions were done. That I could handle, but this is different. I'm not sure what to make of it. :confused: I'm just curious if this has happened to anyone else.
AND BEFORE ANYONE ASKS, YES, I TRIED REPORTING THIS BUG, BUT THE CONFRAMATION E-MAIL WON'T SHOW IN MY INBOX!!! Can anyone help me? I may try to trobleshoot this problem my self, but I may need help.
Never mind. I think I found the problem. I think I missed a few 3.6.9 VP files.
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Never mind. I think I found the problem. I think I missed a few 3.6.9 VP files.
No such things. Get a 3.6.10 build and either the 3.6.8 or 3.6.10 MediaVPs.
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the old openAL website is being screwball. Here is a link directly to the download page for the new site.
(Please work)
http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx (http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/Downloads/Forms/AllItems.aspx)
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Noticed. I've updated the link on the identical thread in the Support board (identical as in, the first post by jr2 is the same but no one has replied to it). If jr2 bumps in here or if the moderators could be arsed, it would be good to have the link in the first post changed.
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I added a second link so that I don't have to edit again should the website start working. :)
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Hmm. Good point. I added the openal.org link back to the other thread as well. Just in case.
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I get this error message that says "Web cursor bitmap not found." What does that mean?
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Usually it means you don't actually have the game in the folder you're trying to run the game from.
If you only used the FS2_Open installer bear in mind you do actually need the retail game too. There's a link to Good Old Games where you can buy the game for $6 on that thread though.
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...and there I was thinking that GOG meant Girls Of Gaming... :wakka:
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Girls of Gaming..............fit or not fit :confused:
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Oh. I didn't realize you needed the FS2 retail game.
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Oh, but you do need it. FSO is simply an improved version of the game engine. All the resources are still in FS2 and you'll need them. Much in the same manner you cannot drive succesfully with just a new engine: you'll need the rest of the car as well.
Incidentally, this issue, among many other common issues, is depicted in the stickied "Troubleshooting FAQ" thread on the Support board, with solutions.
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There used to be places on the internet that had both FS and FS2 for free download, but I think there all gone now, I got FS at a thrift store, and FS 2 off the internet from a place that didn't charge cause it was going out of business.
But I'll look around and see if theres any free sites still alive and kicking.
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There used to be places on the internet that had both FS and FS2 for free download, but I think there all gone now,...But I'll look around and see if theres any free sites still alive and kicking.
Do keep in mind that
Anyone caught posting links to FS2 for download other than an official site such as GoG will be banned. I don't care what bull**** reason they give for it.
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Oh trust me everything I'd post would be official retail sites offering things for free, I don't do warez or underground sites, and I don't allow my kids to either.
So I'd definetly email you and ask if it was legal before I posted it on here.
Don't matter anyway, the place I got my copy from went under about 4 or 5 years ago and so far everybody seems to want a minimum of $6 US for FS2.
I still wish I'd bought a copy at Wal Mart back in 2000, they had FS and FS2 BOTH for $9.99 on their "we won't have this much longer " shelf
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Well, at karajorma reminds us that we're not Babylon 5... :doubt:
I was thinking that only the FS2 VP files are needed to run FS2_Open. That's how the game works on Mac, see. There's no need for the original FS2.exe or fred2.exe.
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thats one difference between Mac and PC, I can get it to run on Linux too with just the FS2 SCP, but only the SCP parts of the game will run, the FS and FS2 retails wnot, but then I'm not in the habit of putting the Linux drive in here to often since I still don't have it the way I want it.
Oh BTW Lobo looks like GoG and a few other retail sites are all thats left having FS,. I found the original disks on Ebay, but I'd liek to get a copy of FS 2 with teh case it came in too:)
Sorry about the spelling errors guys FF is a fresh install, and I don't have teh spell check in yet
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I was thinking that only the FS2 VP files are needed to run FS2_Open. That's how the game works on Mac, see. There's no need for the original FS2.exe or fred2.exe.
That's the same way it works on Windows, too. I could delete my copies of FS2.exe and fred2.exe and not affect anything at all, other than my ability to run retail FS2 or FRED2. However, the fact that the retail FS2 VPs are required to run FS2_Open is the very reason that a retail copy of the game is required.
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I found the original disks on Ebay, but I'd liek to get a copy of FS 2 with teh case it came in too:)
Sorry about the spelling errors guys FF is a fresh install, and I don't have teh spell check in yet
Is a Firefox + bbcodeXtra combination viable? :wtf:
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I found the original disks on Ebay, but I'd liek to get a copy of FS 2 with teh case it came in too:)
Sorry about the spelling errors guys FF is a fresh install, and I don't have teh spell check in yet
Is a Firefox + bbcodeXtra combination viable? :wtf:
Dunno, I usually use Opera web browser anyway, I used FF yesterday cause it automatically opens FF when I click a link in the email, which is Thunderbird, I would use Opera's email, but setting up all those filters for all the loads of email I get is a real pain, I have a friend that does stuff like that so he's working on a way to get Thunderbird t set as the default email in Opera too.
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I know this has probably been posted somewhere b4 and probably has been stickied but i missed it haha >_<
This is the error i keep receiving trying to run the game I have OpenAL installed without problem and i have moved nothing out of the folder i installed the game in so #1 of the error doesnt pretain to it and i have uninstalled, Redownloaded, Reinstalled etc. and nothing.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k313/stelthxxx/error-1.png)
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Well the solutions are right in the error message. Do you have FS2 installed? FS2_Open requires retial FS2 to be installed. If you do have it installed where do you have it installed? It will not work if installed in any special folders like my documents or desktop.
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hmmm since when do u have to own a retail copy?
Ive downloaded this b4 a while back without the game.
Did this change?
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Yes it changed when in became available for purchase again. There is now a legitimate place to by it from where there wasn't before. You can get it at http://www.gog.com for about $6
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I know this has probably been posted somewhere b4 and probably has been stickied but i missed it haha >_<
(http://omglol.kerrolisaa.com/1/10441.gif)
Indeed it has (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56279.0.html). In addition to the fact that the error message explains itself quite thoroughly. And the very same question was asked and answered on page 3 of this thread.
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Like i said b4 i didnt know you had to have the retail version
Since i didnt know this the error message made no sense to me.
And i did read alot of threads including this one like i said i missed it.
So please Keep your jackassery to yourself TIA
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Please try to think while reading the next time and perhaps we shan't be forced to have this conversation again.
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/me adds the above post into his signature.
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I didnt come to exchange insults with you i came to get help with a problem i had im sorry that i only skimmed most of the posts and im sorry for missing the topic that would help. Thanks For Helping me FUBAR. I will be back if i have any other problems when i get around to buying the game haha.
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kk no one is trying 2 b insulting but it's just that it's also insulting in a way that u don't do any research here but instead just assume that ur problem is unique and start asking about it even after i've hunted down all the most common issues and written them into a comprehensive list with my own blood and even stickied it onto the support board so that people could see it and read it and notice "damn i have this issue and there is a solution 2 it here now i won't have 2 bother those people by asking the same question again" and act accordingly and save time 4 us all because u see if u search these forums 4 a while it will take u some time but u will find an answer 2 ur question and ur problem will b solved whereas if u just barge in here and ask it will take u some time and then it will take us some time 2 stop what we were doing and answer and then it will take u some time 2 come back and see what we answered and in total it will take a lot of time and the point of at least the stickied threads on the support board is 2 save time 4 us all so that we could b happier but even still please support the FS2 license holders and buy FS2 from GOG and we will all b happy and if u have more problems feel free 2 ask since no one seems 2 really read the stickied threads anyway and we will answer ur questions as long as they are about freespace
Punctuation is fun.
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Androgeos Exeunt's head metaphorically meets his desk.
That chunk of text was too wordy. :p
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So let me get this straight... You are mad at me for being confused? I thought the game came with the download so the error made no sense to me so i wouldnt even know where to start to look for a help topic. Since i had no start of point my only option was to skim to find a topic that helped. You cannot be mad at me for not having all the facts and to only ask for help to get flamed by someone who clearly just wants to raise their post count.
IF YOU DONT WANNA HELP JUST DONT POST!!!
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I know this has probably been posted somewhere b4 and probably has been stickied but i missed it haha >_<
This is the error i keep receiving trying to run the game I have OpenAL installed without problem and i have moved nothing out of the folder i installed the game in so #1 of the error doesnt pretain to it and i have uninstalled, Redownloaded, Reinstalled etc. and nothing.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k313/stelthxxx/error-1.png)
I'm no rocket scientist or anything but the error code itself says " Numbers 2 and 3 can be fixed by installing or reinstalling FreeSpace 2. If neither of these solutions fixes your problem you've found a bug and should report it.
That in itself tells me I need to break out my FS disks and start with disk 1.
Not to sound like an ass cause I have my own problems with FS sometimes, but it sounds like you need to read a lot more.
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My Mind was all over it being in the installer, what you say does make sense though i took it as just re download >_<.
I figured Web Cursor Bitmap wasnt being downloaded with the installer.
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So let me get this straight... You are mad at me for being confused? I thought the game came with the download so the error made no sense to me so i wouldnt even know where to start to look for a help topic. Since i had no start of point my only option was to skim to find a topic that helped. You cannot be mad at me for not having all the facts and to only ask for help to get flamed by someone who clearly just wants to raise their post count.
I sense a lot of confusion.
No. I am not mad at confused people. I am disappointed with confused people who don't read the manuals and the support sections. The error report itself should have alarmed you. If you're running FSO from your FS2 folder, the FS2 installation must be corrupted or missing altogether. If reinstalling or in this case redownloading doesn't fix it, one should wonder whether the Installer downloads FS2 at all. There is a big note of it in the first post of this thread, as well as on the Installer website. And on the support board. Actually, there is a comprehensive list of the most common errors on the support board and this one is included exactly for the reason that a number of people think that the Installer downloads FS2.
Partially it would seem that the name "FreeSpace and FreeSpace Open Support" doesn't properly give the impression that there would be support for FreeSpace and FreeSpace Open on that board. Perhaps it should be changed to "Help is here!" or something.
Furthermore, I am not the one flaming here, nor am I interested in my post count. Except in regards to the HLP cards. I merely answered your comment about the fact that your question has been answered already. You started a rampage because of that post for reasons I cannot understand. If you do not have issues with FreeSpace at the moment, you are free to stop posting on this board for now.
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I have just downloaded FS and Babylon and my only problem is working out how to reverse the vertical mouse movement, as it's the opposite ofwhat I am used to and want.I have seen it in the controls screen, but don't know how to change it, Any help to an FS noobie would be appreciated! :)
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I have just downloaded FS and Babylon and my only problem is working out how to reverse the vertical mouse movement, as it's the opposite ofwhat I am used to and want.I have seen it in the controls screen, but don't know how to change it, Any help to an FS noobie would be appreciated! :)
Press F2 to take you to your options menu then go to Control Config and ship at the bottom of the screen, click on your pitch axis, and then click on invert at the bottom of the screen.
:welcome:
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Thank you very very much! :)
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anyone know if the gog version is patch 1.2?
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anyone know if the gog version is patch 1.2?
I thought all GOG games were patched up to the latest version? Doesn't it say on the game catalogue page? In any event, don't see that it would cause any problems if you installed patch 1.2 if the game is already patched to 1.2! :)
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anyone know if the gog version is patch 1.2?
It wasn't back when GOG started, but it is now.
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The patch is only really important if you're using retail though, right? I thought it was fully patched when I bought it, but I'm not really certain how I would tell given that the file versions are listed as 1.0.0.1... Unless of course this means that the game isn't patched after all. :p
In any case, it hasn't affected me negatively in any regard. Is there a specific benefit to using the patch?
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The retail Launcher, FRED and Root_fs2.vp are changed by the patch. So basically, there probably aren't any too drastic errors that a user can face, apart from the hacked table warnings in multiplayer.
I'd recommend making sure you're running 1.2, though. If in doubt, download the cleverly named HotU Crack Pack from karajorma's FAQ (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/FAQ/Downloads/HotUv1.20Pack.rar), extract the retail Launcher, FRED and Root_fs2.vp from it and copy them over the existing files in your \freespace2\ folder.
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The only concern there is the "Root_fs2.vp though, right? As I don't use the retail launcher, .exe, or the retail release of FRED, those things really should not affect me. I also haven't used multi ever, so that's one less concern.
...What I could do is see what would happen if I downloaded the game again from GOG. If it's patched, I don't see any reason for why it wouldn't have been updated. By the way, the patch was 1.02.
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By the way, the patch was 1.02.
GOG has a typo/misspelling/misunderstanding. The latest version of FS2 is 1.2.
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Well, the tbls that come with the patch are the only ones that will work correctly in Multi
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Is there a specific benefit to using the patch?
If I remember correctly, there are two benefits given when you patch retail to 1.2:
1. it's a No-CD patch; and
2. you can create jump holes in FRED2.
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1. it's a No-CD patch; and
The original official patch isn't, as far as I know. And with FSO, that particular feature would still be irrelevant.
jump holes
Mr. Trent! It is very important that you and I speak.
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Strange... The file version when viewing the .exe from the outside lists as 1.0.0.1. However, upon opening the retail .exe, the options screen lists the version as 1.2... It seems I have nothing to worry about... :p
That might be a good point to note for those who are unsure of what version they got from GOG...
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jump holes
Mr. Trent! It is very important that you and I speak.
Waiiit a second ... I think I meant jump nodes, not jump holes. :wtf:
Uh ... are they nodes or holes in FS2? :confused:
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*EPIC FACEPALM
At least that's a good laugh... :lol:
They're nodes man, nodes...
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/me pushes the envelope.
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What is that mister trent quote from as my brain is practically SCREAMING at me to kick the mental block i've momentarily developed. . . .
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What is that mister trent quote from as my brain is practically SCREAMING at me to kick the mental block i've momentarily developed. . . .
It's from Freelancer, a mediocre game released back in 2003.
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HI all I am a fan of freespace and I still have the original games freespace and freespace 2 and boxes they all came in back in the 1990's. I can play fresspace 1 fine in winxp just fine with the compatibility set to win98.
Freespace 2 has can be played as well, when I am playing the the mission that is the nebula this starts on the second disk and the third has the same issue the graphics slow down (only in the nebula missions) to when I can not play these missions at all I figure this is a video issue but how to fix it I do not know. to aid in a fix here is my specs.
PC home built older
HD is a seagate 80 GB but only 40Gb is use for winxp
winxp SP2
CPU Pentium 4 3.0
RAM 512MB
nvidia 5200 FX 128 VRam ---I do have another card ATI 4650 1GB VRam
santa cruz beach sound card had issue with the on-board sound so installed this, sound issue gone.
gamerman
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Just grab FSOpen and it should fix the problem. Plus you'll get much better graphics.
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Yes. Various methods for installing FSO can be found here (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Getting_started#Installing_FreeSpace_Open). Each one has its strengths and weaknesses.
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What is that mister trent quote from as my brain is practically SCREAMING at me to kick the mental block i've momentarily developed. . . .
It's from Freelancer, a mediocre game released back in 2003.
OBJECTION!
It's from Freelancer, one of the best games of it's time and one of the best Elite-style games at all, highly moddable and pretty much the only Elite-style game I really liked, as it's economy isn't as overcomplicated as X series. I have some really great memories associated with it.
I think (I'm not 100% sure, as I played Freelancer long ago) it can be called Freespace of Elite-style games, but as I recall it lacks Source Code Project.
And yes, the quote is from there, as are jump holes (natural jump points alternative to jumpgates, good for smuggling things and flying throught hostile systems).
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I can't say I thought Freelancer was all that great, but it had some good stuff going for it.
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But you could not use your superb joystick :(
Prevent me to play this game ;)
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I still miss the awesome way in which the mouse was used to control the ship. FreeSpace's mouse control sucks hairy bollocks.
Offtopic, offtopic...
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You're not the only one who complains about the mouse in FreeSpace. Fury does it too.
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/me chimes in about the mouse.
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I still miss the awesome way in which the mouse was used to control the ship. FreeSpace's mouse control sucks hairy bollocks.
Offtopic, offtopic...
Hey, if you increase the "Sensitivity" of your mouse in your options, and in your control panel, won't it significantly increase your manuverability, and ultimately, your dogfighting skills?
This is one "cheat" I just recently discovered... ;)
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That's not a cheat. It's a preference, and it's something everyone knows already.
Some people are unable to handle extreme twitchiness, so they choose a lower amount of sensitivity.
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It's just a matter of getting used to it, IMO. I could handle insane sensitivity when my mouse wasn't half broken and my joystick wasn't stiff.
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It still won't increase your maneuverability over the maximum rating of the fighter wouldn't it?
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It won't, but you'll find that your ship responds faster when you're really yanking it to one side. This can make a difference between evading a missile without countermeasures and having your face merged with two Harpoons.
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I only use the stick for now, tried the mouse and even as low of a setting I can use the stick is still faster, Only thing I use the mouse for on my sidewinder is the bank control, that way the rudder control on the stick won't make me roll over when I don't want to roll over :)
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:necro:
:rolleyes:
:lol:
:p
;)
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I'll allow it.
...even if it has nothing to do with the original thread topic. :p
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I have a problem with Freespace2 SCP 3.6.10. When i start the game, my screen is blinking black. I run that game in WindowsXP compatibility mode under Windows 7 64-bit (to resolve memory problem). I tried a lot of experiments with Video setup, but nothing works. My graphic adapter is integrated ATi x1250, DirectX 9.0c installed. Classic FS2.exe works fine. Thank you for any solution.
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I have a problem with Freespace2 SCP 3.6.10. When i start the game, my screen is blinking black. I run that game in WindowsXP compatibility mode under Windows 7 64-bit (to resolve memory problem). I tried a lot of experiments with Video setup, but nothing works. My graphic adapter is integrated ATi x1250, DirectX 9.0c installed. Classic FS2.exe works fine. Thank you for any solution.
Update to 3.6.12 Final. Run a debug build and post an fs2open.log if the problem persists.
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I have a problem with Freespace2 SCP 3.6.10. When i start the game, my screen is blinking black. I run that game in WindowsXP compatibility mode under Windows 7 64-bit (to resolve memory problem). I tried a lot of experiments with Video setup, but nothing works. My graphic adapter is integrated ATi x1250, DirectX 9.0c installed. Classic FS2.exe works fine. Thank you for any solution.
Update to 3.6.12 Final. Run a debug build and post an fs2open.log if the problem persists.
still the same problem. In new Loader 5.5f i have no option to choose D3D, there is only OpenGL. I tried turn off Windows Aero, no change. I attached a log file.
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The engine does not use D3D, ever; you've been running on OpenGL the whole time even with D3D selected.
Please try turning up the resolution and color depth. 640x480 and 16 bit color are probably way too low.
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Initializing OpenGL graphics device at 640x480 with 16-bit color...
...is likely the problem here.
If you've tried changing the video settings, the problem is likely Windows' UAC. The Launcher might not have the required permissions to change the settings from default. Run the Launcher as administrator at least once to create a few registry entries, set up the appropriate graphics resolution and bit depth, then try again.
You may also end up having trouble with the game being unable to save a pilot file; this can be (as far as I know) averted by taking ownership of the FS2 directory in Windows' security properties of the directory.
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I try reinstall it, run it as administrator, set 1680x1050, 32-bit, nothing. The animation when you start a game is blinking too. It looks as driver problem maybe. I tried everything and start to feel hopeless...
Problem resolved!
Fail was in ATi display driver distributed via Automatic Updates in Windows. I downloaded ATi Legacy 10.2 driver for Vista 64 and it works fine.
One small problem persists, my mouse goes too slow in play..
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Press F2 to configure options in-game, then change mouse sensitivity. :yes:
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That was the first option i change, but it has no efect. Mouse has a response delay beetween action and reaction. In original Freespace 2 with no problems :(
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Update mouse driver and configure it in Control Panel.
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Hello.
I have the frozen picture with sound problem... i looked up the solutions and found that i should choose openGL as the renderer, but the problem is, when i try changing it, there is no openGL to select, only D3D in various resolutions.
the game freezes the pic in the "lion at the door" mission right before damage control ship enters.
update: i changed the resolution to a higher one and it helped me trough "lion at the door" but the same thing happened when i was playing the mission where i have to destroy 2 shivan cruisers or something like that... :banghead:
thanx
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Please read this: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=56279.0 Follow the instructions there to generate a debug log, and post it here.
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Err.
there is no openGL to select, only D3D in various resolutions.
Sounds like you're running retail FS2. Please try installing FSO and running it.
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nope, not retail... was looking for a space sim/exploration game, ran across some vids of this and downloaded it.
Sadly, i can't afford to buy anything at the moment so i had to find it trough other means :)
oh, and i saw the post made by the e, but there's no pics with instructions and when i open the launcher, i don't have "features" option
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That probably means you are not using FreeSpace Open. Why don't you tell us what version of FS you are using?
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it's Freespace 2 v. 1.0
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Right. So I would suggest getting the FreeSpace Open Installer (http://www.fsoinstaller.com/files/installer/java/FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar), and letting it install all the FSO goodies for you. Note that you need java to run this.
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Right. So I would suggest getting the FreeSpace Open Installer (http://www.fsoinstaller.com/files/installer/java/FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar), and letting it install all the FSO goodies for you. Note that you need java to run this.
don't i need retail game for that?
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Uhh, yes, you do.
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yeah... well, as i mentioned be4, can't afford buying anything now but i really like the damn game and want to play it on... any other advices or possible solutions?
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Get the 6$ and buy it. If you are really looking for other solutions, this isn't the place to ask. However, the Babylon 5-themed total conversion "The Babylon Project" is FSO-based, and totally free. You can get it here: http://babylon.hard-light.net/
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yeah... well, as i mentioned be4, can't afford buying anything now but i really like the damn game and want to play it on... any other advices or possible solutions?
Legal note: we'd like people to buy their FreeSpaces from Good Old Games for six ****ing dollars. If they don't, I, for one, hope they cannot sleep at night because of that.
Anyways, you said that you have FreeSpace 2. That means that you have FreeSpace 2. The game, you know.
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Yes, i'm not too proud of getting the game like i did since i really respect the people wich try really hard to make all the good games for us...
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Yeah, but that was mostly just a legal notice. It's not liek we could scan your system and make sure you have a copy purchased from GOG. But as I said, you already have a copy of the retail FS2, because you said it yourself. You should now just patch it to 1.2 and then install FSO with either the Installer linked to by The E or manually.
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thanx guys :)
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uuuuhhhmmmm, little help here?
updated openGL, deleted old files etc. but somehow i get an errormessage about opengl not being able to find/match pixels?
Unable to initialize display device!
ntdll.dll! KiFastSystemCallRet
kernel32.dll! WaitForSingleObject + 18 bytes
fs2_open_3_6_12r_INF.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_6_12r_INF.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_6_12r_INF.exe! <no symbol>
fs2_open_3_6_12r_INF.exe! <no symbol>
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post debug dump ;)
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hey luis,
that was the dump i got, or are you referring to something else here?
edit; actually found the specific problem elsewhere. Manually updating graphic card atm, i'll let you know
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=56279.msg1180359#msg1180359
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uhm, so updated video card with the ATI catalyst, tried again, no go :(
attachment any help?
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Which card is it exactly?
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ATI Radeon Xpress 1100
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A laptop, it would seem. Some googling revealed that your particular line of graphics card has had rather poor OpenGL support and if the latest drivers from the laptop manufacturer didn't help, things really suck for that particular laptop model. There are a few options I can think of:
1) Buy a new computer.
2) Take your chances with Omega drivers (http://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.omegadrivers.net%2F&ei=VawUTrCBOojIswaS4uSMDw&usg=AFQjCNH0fJIteqpLKJZbzNxQGkfUg0G8Qw).
3) Try installing the latest possible (or at least new enough) AMD gpu drivers with Mobility Modder (http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool.php).
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To finish this topic off;
Just downloaded newest catalyst thingy from amd and things are working. At least Derelict is loading via the launcher so i'm gonna assume the rest will work as well.
greetzz C.
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Hello, I've been trying to run the automated installer:
http://scp.indiegames.us/bnr_installer.php
I would like to play the Freespace 1 campaign before I play the sequel. However, this automated installer (when I run it) says that it can't download the FSport folder or file.
Is the above link associated with this website or is there a more current automated installer?
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Try using one of the other guides such as this one (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=78710.0); the auto-installer is currently borked. Make sure you get the MediaVPs if at all possible (yes it tells you how in the above link).
EDIT: Oh, and to play FS1 first, you must download and use the FSPort mod (the above link tells you how to install mods; get the FSPort mod here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=76733.0)
And, :welcome:
EDIT2: I didn't mention this, but of course, if you are having any difficulties, please let us know and we'll gladly help you out! :)
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Hello,
Sorry for my english, it is not my native language :).
I have a quick question regarding graphics performance. I have FSO inf. 3.6.13r. + blue planet and i recently installed shadows from valhadil topic, and i m experiencing very severe fps drops from 80 fps to like 8-12 fps in missions. I had no fps problems before I intalled shadows patch.
And my question is this; is my notebook graphics too weak or what? Ive got Mobility Radeon 5650 1gb, 4 gb mem. + Icore M330, with Win7 64. Is that too weak? Or maybe i missed a patch or some tweaking adjustment?
Thx for help.
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:welcome:
The shadows feature is still very much a work-in-progress, and I don't think Valathil has completed all of the optimizations he has planned for it. Mobile graphics cards do tend to be weaker than their desktop versions, but you do have a dedicated card as opposed to an integrated chip, so that's a big plus. Hopefully as the feature is further developed, you'll be able to enable them and still get an acceptable framerate. :)
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unclejoe,
Do try upgrading your graphics drivers to the latest version, sometimes that helps with graphics performance issues. If you have a Mobility Radeon HD 5650, the latest drivers for 7 64-bit can be found on the ATI AMD site here (http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonmob_win7-64.aspx). (as of today's date, latest is version 12.1, released January 25, 2012)
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hello , i'm just reinstalled fs2 open on a fresh copy of win 7 64 bit the problem is the fps is always in 59.9 fps never upward how can i expact better preformence?
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Your framerate is capped at 60 because of vsync, a feature that provides a much smoother playing experience by synchronising your framerate with your screen's refresh frequency. You can turn it off in the launcher under the performance section, but it'll result in frame-splitting and instability in some situations.
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and i have no 3d shockwaves.:(
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and i have no 3d shockwaves.:(
Enable them?
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they are enabled .
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Your framerate is capped at 60 because of vsync, a feature that provides a much smoother playing experience by synchronising your framerate with your screen's refresh frequency. You can turn it off in the launcher under the performance section, but it'll result in frame-splitting and instability in some situations.
where is it in the launcher?
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Game Speed -> "Disable vertical sync". Also check your GPU driver control panel that you aren't forcing v-sync from there.
Also, you could have included both things in a single post instead of double-posting.
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I too am having a similar issue to Ariel, not the need for over 60 fps but the 3d shockwaves.
I do have them enabled in the launcher and I recently attempted to install one of Nighteye's Shockwaves, putting the files in question in mediavps_3612/data/effects folder and mod/data/effect to no avail. Is there any other additional download I may have missed that is required?
Also, without Nighteye's the 3d shockwave still doesn't work.
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I've recently caught on to the fact that there are mods for FS2 so I installed the game from GOG. I'm new to modding games so I read up the thread which gave very clear instructions. Everything was going well, or so it seemed when I tried to launch the game. For some reason, I'm asked to insert CD 2. Obviously something went haywire so I've no idea what I've done wrong. Can someone help? Thanks.
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I've recently caught on to the fact that there are mods for FS2 so I installed the game from GOG. I'm new to modding games so I read up the thread which gave very clear instructions. Everything was going well, or so it seemed when I tried to launch the game. For some reason, I'm asked to insert CD 2. Obviously something went haywire so I've no idea what I've done wrong. Can someone help? Thanks.
It would be helpful - and might possibly make it easier to help you - if you described exactly what you did. Which exactly FS2 file did you open and so on.
Are you trying to run retail (from GOG.com) FreeSpace files or those of the FreeSpace Open?
If it is GOG.com exe then
http://www.gog.com/forum/freespace_series/freespace_2_wants_cd_2_or_3
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It's Free Space Open. I made several searches and made series of jumps and found two guides from here (I lost them again somehow, I'll have to look again). The first one didn't make any sense to me, I spent hours trying to make the mod to work. I postpone it to another day, found the second guide which is very clear. That was when I realized the first guide assumed the person reading it, already knew all about the files. Hence, I was trying to do something I didn't understand and it was frustrating.
The second guide correctly assume the person is an idiot. :D Which is true. So it went A, B, C. I followed the steps, installed FS2 at C:/games/FS2 and not to put it at the (x86) directory, shift files, etc, etc. And it's called FSO. I made the adjustment to the launcher, directing it to the MOD (I was trying for Blue Planet) and an error message popped up. I read the steps again; it seemed I did everything as stated. So I went to look at the files, poking at a few and then the game launched (I hit the file fs2_open_3_7_0) but it asked me for CD#2 at the main menu.
I'm a total noob, I know.
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Do you have a CD/DVD/Whatnots disk drive(s)? If you have then make sure it/they has/have nothing in it/them and try again. Other thing you should try is to create fs_open.log file as described in http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56279.0.html & http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56279.msg1180359.html#msg1180359 (for instructions as to how to get it and how to post it).
I'll take a look at the code and check why that message is (still) being sent.
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Holy cow, the OP needs to be updated. :ick:
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Do you have a CD/DVD/Whatnots disk drive(s)? If you have then make sure it/they has/have nothing in it/them and try again. Other thing you should try is to create fs_open.log file as described in http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56279.0.html & http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,56279.msg1180359.html#msg1180359 (for instructions as to how to get it and how to post it).
I'll take a look at the code and check why that message is (still) being sent.
I did have a disc in the drive. Thanks for the pointers. I'll give it another shot this weekend. I uninstalled the game and will try again from step one.
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Not sure if I should put this here, but my launcher crashes whenever I select a build. It had been working fine for months. Anyone know what's going on?
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Are you getting an error message of any kind?
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Maybe this Windows error spew helps?
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: Launcher.exe_Launcher Application
Application Version: 5.5.0.6
Application Timestamp: 4c85a270
Fault Module Name: Launcher.exe
Fault Module Version: 5.5.0.6
Fault Module Timestamp: 4c85a270
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00010433
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
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Are you using Windows 8/8.1 by chance? If so, have you tried using wxLauncher instead?
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Nope, using Windows 7.
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First time iv ran into this problem. Just got the updated build and all but I cant get it to go to full screen on any other build except 3_7_2_RC4_SSE. All the others open up in the upper left hand corner. I also cant change my resolution; should I reinstall FS0? :banghead:
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Please post your fs2_open.log file. Instructions on how to do this can be found in this post.
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Sorry for requesting information in here, but this forum is huge. I browsed stuff and didn't find if there are any visual improvements for Freespace 1. Thank you!
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Yes there is; you want FSPort (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=89121.0). It's recommended to download it with the installer (http://www.fsoinstaller.com/) (requires Java)
And...
:welcome:
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Been out of the game for a while, but I'm trying to get back into it with the new installer and I've run into nothing but problems. I have Java, openAL, and the GOG version installed. I downloaded the FSO installer and extracted it, but I cant find any type of executable file to open the installer. Can someone help me get moving on this?
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The file you need to run is FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar.
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Yeah, if you've got Java installed you should be able to just double-click on the installer you downloaded.
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I downloaded java directly from their website, but I can't open the.jar file. I also went through my java folder looking for some kind of executable in there to try and run it that way but nothing really makes sense to me. Any direction you can point me in? Thanks.
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Huh. You downloaded this guy (http://www.java.com/en/), just clicked the big red button? It should be as easy as clicking on the .jar...
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Yup that's exactly what I got.
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If you right-click FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar and select "Open with..." do you see an option to open it with Java(TM) Platform SE Binary?
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Yes, but when I do that I get a brief flash of a smaller window opening which immediately disappears and nothing happens. I'm wondering if it's a Windows 10 issue.....
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I've been having the same problem. However, I don't have this "Java(TM) Platform SE Binary".
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If you right-click FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar and select "Open with..." do you see an option to open it with Java(TM) Platform SE Binary?
Yes, but when I do that I get a brief flash of a smaller window opening which immediately disappears and nothing happens. I'm wondering if it's a Windows 10 issue.....
Yeah, if you do that, I'm pretty sure windows is just gonna run "java.exe FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar", while it should be running "java.exe -jar FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar" to run the jar.
Anyway, from the sound of it your java install didn't configure itself properly. You can try launching the installer directly from the command line prompt, running java -jar on the installer, although I don't have time to write detailled instructions on how to do so right now, sorry :(
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I have had to reinstall Java before to get the .jar to open correctly.
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I uninstalled reinstalled and updated java then tried to run it through the command prompt and it's telling me that it's ''unable to access jarfile freespaceopeninstaller.jar.
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Hm, are you sure that FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar is not corrupted?
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I've deleted and redownloaded it a few times so I was under the impression I'd be safe from that too.
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Could you post exactly what you typed into the command prompt? Can you also post where the FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar is? i.e. the command prompt needs to be in the same directory that the jar file is in, or you need to give a full/relative path to it.
maybe something like:
"java.exe -jar c:\users\me\Downloads\FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar"
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c:\users\jcoup>java.exe -jar thispc\windows(c:)freespace2\freespaceopeninstaller.jar is what I've been trying. It just gives me the error that it is unable to access jarfile then lists what I typed into the command prompt above.
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java.exe -jar thispc\windows(c:)freespace2\freespaceopeninstaller.jar
This looks weird.
Try:
java.exe -jar c:\freespace2\FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar
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tried it.....same thing
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That is weird.
Could you try copying/saving FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar to this location:
c:\users\jcoup
And then run this command?
java.exe -jar FreeSpaceOpenInstaller.jar
(and if that still doesn't work, I'm really confused)
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That finally did it. You're one cool ass dude thanks.
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Perhaps there was a space in the path. In which case, you need quotes.
java -jar "c:\games\freespace 2\fsopeninstaller.jar"
Running it without the quotes will cause the command interpreter to stop at "freespace" and put the rest in as an argument to that command, e.g., it will pass "2\fsopeninstaller.jar" to the non-existent "c:\games\freespace.exe"
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I'm still getting the "Unhandled error in setting HKLM key in registry! Access is denied" error in wxlauncher after following all the steps in this thread: wxlauncher unhandled error (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=88599.0). Not sure what else to try at this point, so any help would be appreciated! I'm running Windows 10.
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When you double-clicked on the .reg file, what happened? Did it ask for confirmation, then say "registry import successful" or somesuch? Or did it just open the text in Notepad?
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When you double-clicked on the .reg file, what happened? Did it ask for confirmation, then say "registry import successful" or somesuch? Or did it just open the text in Notepad?
It did import the .reg file successfully. I also went into regedit and made sure that all the Volition/Freespace2 keys under HKEY_USERS as well as HKEY_CURRENT_USER grant full control to "ALL APPLICATION PACKAGES". Ultimately, I was never able to get this working under the release (0.10.1) wxlauncher version, but I finally tried the 0.11.0 pre-release which worked right away.
Thanks for the reply!
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Hello, i've tried googling this without much success, does this work on windows10? Thank you!
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Hello, i've tried googling this without much success, does this work on windows10? Thank you!
Yes, it does.
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Hey, I am new here :nod:.
Do I need the english version to run mods? I have got the germane one.
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Try hopping on the HLP Discord server (https://discord.gg/YNVP3WR) and asking for a more immediate answer. I would think the German version could be used as a base for installing FSO, but I'm not absolutely certain.
Also,
:welcome:
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Hi. I'm new to this forum, but I need some help getting FreeSpace 2's input just right.
This year, after how long, I revisited Descent FreeSpace (FSport) and FreeSpace 2. I got through Descent FreeSpace alright, so far so good. I made sure to disable mouse input so that it can't interfere with my joystick. I beat the game (main campaign, not including Slient Threat expansion) with no problems, and then I proceeded to update my downloaded mods through Knossos, and then moved on to FreeSpace 2.
I began playing the first mission (Surrender, Belisarius!), and I noticed that not only was mouse input on, but there was a strange rolling as my ship kept on tumbling. I hit F2, and DISCOVERED I COULDN'T SWITCH MOUSE INPUT OFF. I got "Mouse Input: Mouse/JOY-0" rather than "Mouse Input: On/Off", and now I'm stuck. What's going on? I update, and now I keep tumbling and my mouse can't be switched off. I even tried Retail and MediaVPs 4.5 and It didn't help at all. Help?
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First of all, welcome back!
Secondly, There was a major change to the controls as of FSO version 22.0 (https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=98125.0). The mouse and joystick controls were finally split to be independant of each other, and multi-joy is now available.
We've also recently added a FAQ (https://wiki.hard-light.net/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions_(FAQ)) to the wiki, since this is a major change. (Why we didn't have such a page to begin with is another matter)
Right. So. Go to your controls config menu and remove the Mouse axes bindings from your pitch and roll. There should be a second column of bindings instead of just the one that you are normally accustomed to. This will effectively turn the mouse OFF. If you want to totally disable the mouse from activating weapons, etc. then you should unbind all buttons, too. (Remember that you can use the Search button to quickly find the action an axis or button is bound to).