[Flaser]

Originally posted by quadrophoeniX
Wowww! Bob comes down the chimney... Hey, but wait - where are those shadows??

Puts on a beard and swiftly strokes it *the issue is so old, so oft visited....

The shadow build was merely a test to see if the thing could be implemented - on the other hand it was an extreme resource drain, and hackish so it would never make it to CVS in the form it was - currently the team works on more pressing matters that will allow a better implementation.

[Bobboau]

it'll take me more than a month to get shadows working properly, at the very least, and thats once I start working on it, I want to do stuff that is't just generic eyecandy for a while (like the nearly complete animation system)

[quadrophoeniX]

Sorry if I was confusing...  I thought 3 smileys should be enough to point out it was not meant dead serious. As much as I liked to play FSport and ST with that build (it worked fine for me and I am actually still toggling between 365 and stencilshadows) and see future impleme.ntation, I understood clear from Goober and Bobboau that it is not on the to-do list right now due to several reasons... I will behave myself in the future (as good as i can) and post no more stupid jokes...
essence: this Herc is fantastic!

[Overlord]

I think shinemaps + stencil shadows is unrealistic, because you have already shadows with shinemaps and shadows + darker shadows is unrealistic, IMO.

And the herc is superb

[Taristin]

Err... shadows aren't cast, though, with shinemaps.

[Overlord]

I meant where no shines are, is shadow.

[Taristin]

Not really, where no shines are, is devoid of light.

Shadows would be what my fighter casted on the Colossus in that thread Bob made.

[Nico]

And that's ignoring the fact that you can have shadows in shadows, too

[Overlord]

Yes, but they have the same intensity so you can't see any difference between the shadows. At least shadows casted by one lightsource (the sun).

[aldo_14]

It's the dynamism that's important with shadows.... yeah, it's nice having accurate shadows (drawn on maps) from the ships turrets etc etc, but it's the sight of a Sathani or Collosus' shadow slowly drawing across the surface of an Arcadia that has real impact.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Overlord
Yes, but they have the same intensity so you can't see any difference between the shadows. At least shadows casted by one lightsource (the sun).

No, that's like completly wrong? Not like I even feel like explaining, just look up at light refraction and similar stuff, and learn by yourself.

[Lightspeed]

Yeah, I know I'm late, but I finally got around to download the model and chex0r it out

Except for one minor detail and one huge problem the model really, really is amazing. It's absolutely beautiful the way you worked in all the pwetty detail. And you're the first person to my knowledge to get the cockpit to work correctly, which is another bonus

For the model itself, I would've preferred if the little pipes on the engine pods (in the recessed part) wouldn't be modelled in, but only textured. It's a bit of a waste of polies and it would look more detailed(!) if it'd be textured in. However, that's only the minor problem.

The rather unpleasant thing is the textures. It is unclear to me why you preferred to go with a completely new UVmapping when the original one did a rather good job. On your last version of the hi-poly Herc it was almost perfect already (save the few stretching issues), so why throw it overboard and go with a worse UVmap? This is the only real problem with this model. I can see why you added the second (cockpit) texture thingy, and that's fine, but changing the base texture IMHO wasn't a very good idea.

[Grimloq]

because its better now!

[Bobboau]

becase (more than) half the texture was waisted with the origonal UV map.

now granted the UV map I gave it wasn't perfict but it was quite a bit better than the origonal.

[Lightspeed]

And in your version, parts of it get reused/mirrored all over the ship instead of having individual texturing like they used to.

[Bobboau]

yeah it's more efecent

[Lightspeed]

Could you at least whack together an optional one with the original mapping?

[-Vulture-]

Sorry for bumping this thread up, but ive got a problem with this herc. I just copied the files from the zip-file "D:\Gamez\Vollversionen\Freespace2\data\models" and run the game. But the only thing i see is the engine glow, nothing from the fighter. Im using standard SCP 3.6.5, the latest official build. Any hints or tips?

Thanx!:nervous:

[Taristin]

Seems you are either lacking the map files, or you are not enabling the  jpg and tga maps in the launcher.

[-Vulture-]

Well i got one pof-file, nine tga's and three pcx-files in the zip ive downloaded and everything should be in the right folder.
JPG and TGA textures are enabled in my launcher, only 32bit-textures is disabled, cause i got white texture squares in menus then.