[Bobboau]

"including POF2COB and COB2POF"
oh kazan is gona tan you're hide for that

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by Hades


An all in one tool for making ships. Maybe somebody who has too much free time could make a real constructor. You could make a .pof, then skin it, and add everything. All in one tool.

You're taking my idea for Blender!

[Rampage]

All right!  Just a few more people and I can send everyone's name who has replied in that petition e-mail.  That is if he still has the source...  (Which I think he does.)

[Joey_21]

Put me on. I think it would be very useful!

[EdrickV]

Who needs a petition? I decided I might as well ask the guy if he would consider releasing the source code to the SCP and mentioned that we were interested in expanding the POF format. This is the response I got.

Subj: RE: ModelView32
Date: 11/6/2002 3:01:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:    [email protected] (Heiko Herrmann)
To:    [email protected]

Hi there,
 
for my part I would have no problems to release the source code, but I have to ask Garry Knudson if he is okay with it as well, since he wrote the rendering part (I coded the complete UI around it). I will try to contact him and let you know.

[Rampage]

Originally posted by EdrickV
Who needs a petition? I decided I might as well ask the guy if he would consider releasing the source code to the SCP and mentioned that we were interested in expanding the POF format. This is the response I got.

 

Cool!

[Skippy]

Yeah, cool
I hope Garry Knudson will reply yes

[Bobboau]

I doubt he'll reply at all, he's been out of the loop for quite a while
maybe we can get a pre-compiled lib or something

[IPAndrews]

Is ModelView OpenGL based?

[Joey_21]

Very cool. If I'm not mistaken, Gary made one of the very first POF editors... (I think I still have it around on my hard drive somewhere)... /me wonders off with nostalgia

[Bobboau]

FSveiw, wich is what the renderer of MV is baised on

[Galemp]

Originally posted by EdrickV
Subj: RE: ModelView32
Date: 11/6/2002 3:01:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: [email protected] (Heiko Herrmann)
To: [email protected]

Hi there,

for my part I would have no problems to release the source code, but I have to ask Garry Knudson if he is okay with it as well, since he wrote the rendering part (I coded the complete UI around it). I will try to contact him and let you know.
 

W00000000T! Now we can have a TRUE POF constructor suite!

[Bobboau]

what's wrong with Kazan's, I have always found it to be ten billion times better than the old cob2fs ever was (well I did find one time it did less of a job, but it was a weird model)

[EdrickV]

Kazan's PCS is a good POF editor and IMHO the better POF converter, and it supports the Glowpoints in the newest version, but it's renderer isn't yet equal to ModelView32's. On the other hand, ModelView32 was never finished and there's a lot of normal things it can't do. I think the two are best used together. PCS's renderer uses OpenGL, but I believe ModelView32's uses either DirectDraw or Direct3D. Oh, and ModelView32 isn't a converter so comparing it with cob2fs2/cob2pof is like comparing apples and oranges.

[Rampage]

Did Knudson ever reply?

[EdrickV]

Not yet.

[Rampage]

I'm growing impatient.  Here's my latest (and only) e-mail to Garry Knudson.

E-Mail to Garry Knudson
Dear Garry:

Because of popular request by my fellow Freespace 2 MODders after the release of the Freespace 2 source code, we would require the source code for MODELVIEW32 with its renderer, editor, etc.  The request has already been forwarded to Heiko Hermann, and he happily agreed to release it after he receives word from you to go ahead.

One of new features that fans have integrated into Freespace 2 would be glow points for Freespace 2 models.  This would require an update to the currently popular (but without graphics support) POF Construction Suite by Derek “Kazan” Meek.  MODELVIEW32 would be a perfect specimen to update upon.  Newer MODELVIEW32 versions would mean newer versions of Freespace 2.

We terribly need the source code for Descent Manager MODELVIEW32 in order to progress with our projects in Freespace 2 model making.  The code is crucial to our progress as a community as well to the development of newer versions of Freespace 2.  Please consider our request.

Sincerely,


The Freespace 2 MODders

[EdrickV]

Um, what address did you send that to, because the one listed in ModelView32 isn't Garry's.

[Bobboau]

I'm telling ya, you're gona find Saquasch before you find Garry Knudson,
it's not even funny how not around he is.
he was hard to get in tuch with back when he was involved in the comunity, he's fallen into a black whole
...what's my point...

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by EdrickV
Kazan's PCS is a good POF editor and IMHO the better POF converter, and it supports the Glowpoints in the newest version, but it's renderer isn't yet equal to ModelView32's. On the other hand, ModelView32 was never finished and there's a lot of normal things it can't do. I think the two are best used together. PCS's renderer uses OpenGL, but I believe ModelView32's uses either DirectDraw or Direct3D. Oh, and ModelView32 isn't a converter so comparing it with cob2fs2/cob2pof is like comparing apples and oranges.

It isn't Direct3D. I know because my Direct3D doesn't work.