[Rampage]

Originally posted by EdrickV
Um, what address did you send that to, because the one listed in ModelView32 isn't Garry's.

I got the one off of Freespace-2.com

[Bobboau]

MV and FSV are both OGL

[Rampage]

Originally posted by Bobboau
MV and FSV are both OGL

Well, you're right...  He's nowhere to be found!

Unknown user: [email protected]


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Dear Garry:

Because of popular request by my fellow Freespace 2 MODders after the
release of the Freespace 2 source code, we would require the source code for
MODELVIEW32 with its renderer, editor, etc.  The request has already been
forwarded to Heiko Hermann, and he happily agreed to release it after he
receives word from you to go ahead.

One of new features that fans have integrated into Freespace 2 would be glow
points for Freespace 2 models.  This would require an update to the
currently popular (but without graphics support) POF Construction Suite by
Derek "Kazan" Meek.  MODELVIEW32 would be a perfect specimen to update upon.
Newer MODELVIEW32 versions would mean newer versions of Freespace 2.

We terribly need the source code for Descent Manager MODELVIEW32 in order to
progress with our projects in Freespace 2 model making.  The code is crucial
to our progress as a community as well to the development of newer versions
of Freespace 2.  Please consider our request.

Sincerely,


The Freespace 2 MODders

Maybe you guys contact Heiko Hermann again and see what he has to say.

[EdrickV]

I'm waiting for him to get back to me. If all else fails, maybe he would release his UI code but without the renderer. (With access to the UI and FS2 source code we could try to rewrite it to use the same rendering system that POFView uses.) Either way, we still have PCS. (And usually when I have a problem with PCS, it's due to something in the model that FS2 doesn't like either. Like a single object model with over 1100 verts.)

[Galemp]

What frustrates me is that models that convert fine with COB2FS2 cause PCS to crash.

[Bobboau]

maybe we can get the sorce for the renderer put into a lib and have some header files that would define the max's and have the rest of it as seperate

[EdrickV]

Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
What frustrates me is that models that convert fine with COB2FS2 cause PCS to crash.

In my experience, aside from models that give the "you haven't grouped these objects" message, those models usually crash FRED2/FS2 though. The two programs apparently use different methods of converting. (PCS uses lights to help define the hierarchy while Cob2FS2 doesn't seem to need them.) And in models where you are going to be making all the LoDs, turrets, and maybe debris, for testing it would be a good idea to just convert LoD1 and maybe the turrets. (With a proper hierarchy.)

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by EdrickV
The source code for PCS is available via CVS, and the latest version of PCS is supposed to include support for glowpoints.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/alliance

With the source code for POFView available, I think combining the two to make a complete replacement for ModelView32 would be a good idea. (And ModelView32 I believe is Visual Basic so if you don't have that, you may not be able to do anything with it.)

POF Constructor suite is typical Kazan: complex, and hard-to-understand. MODVIEW32 is better.
But I agree, you should ask him first.

[##UnknownPlayer##]

Someone should start drafting a design document for the big combined modelview/PCS program - you know, just so we can all know what's supposed to be in it, what we're taking from where and what we want to make ourselves. Just a thought.

[Rampage]

I just e-mailed Mr. Hermann again.  Hope that he'll give me some sort of response.

Dear Heiko Hermann:

The Freespace 2 community has been eagerly waiting for a newer, better POF editing program.  With the FS2 source code in full bloom, we have realized that we¡¦re missing something:  a newer version of Modelview32.  I have e-mailed Mr. Knudson for the renderer portion of the source code, but he has yet to get back to me.  (It has been about a month.)  We cannot wait any longer.  Mr. Hermann, please consider releasing the source code for ModelView32, either the entire source or the non-renderer source.  I fear that Knudson isn¡¦t in the community anymore. ƒ¼

Please offer us your much-needed assistance!

Sincerely,


Rampage
On Behalf of the Freespace Community

[Rampage]

I got the reply from Heiko Hermann.  It sounds - promising!

Reply from Heiko Hermann
Hi there,

I have a suggestion: I'll want to look over the code once again, fix some things on it and tidy it up a little and write a little overview over the code, and release it then. I hope I have done it till Monday although I can't promise. Sounds good?

[Skippy]

Wooohoo

 

Very promising

[Rampage]

Another e-mail:

From Heiko Herrmann
Here is the plan,
I am working fully on a Beta 05 release which will hopefully be done on this Monday. It has lots of new big features (texture viewer, COB importer, advanced error handling, task panes, to name a few) which I started once beginning of this year and now have finished. Along with this release the source code will be made public.

By the way, I read in some forum that somebody believed MODELVIEW32 was written in Visual Basic. Most likely he thought that since a lot of older Descent Manager modules were actually written in Visual Basic. MODELVIEW32 however is 100% MS Visual C++. Just wanted to let ya know ...

[HotSnoJ]

YAHOOO! This will make an excellent Christmas present from him!

[Rampage]

The source code: http://www.descent-network.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi?file=/ddn/sources/modelview/modv32b5src.exe&size=1064&desc=MODELVIEW32_Source

Mr. Herrmann's conditions:

--Rename--
If it is really necessary... (as long as the original title + my name in
the credits is written somewhere).

--Take away non-FS2 code--
I have mixed feelings with that one. I would rather love if people would
try to keep the D2/D3 parts running, even when they are not adding any
new features to that part ... But if it is necessary to drop that
stuff out out of some good reason, I will okay with that as well. I just
don't see the point ...

--Integrate with another program--
No problem with that one, however I guess it is quite a lot of work, if
the other program is not programmed with the MFC doc-view model and at
least a *little* similar in how the code was done. But if someone wants
to give it a try it is totally fine with me ...

What I do want however is that it is kept open-source. So that other
people can re-check in how changes and new features are done. And maybe
I'll add stuff that I love in into a later version of the original
MODELVIEW32 (giving credits of course to the original contributors and
re-releasing the new source code with it), who knows .

Merry Christmas from Heiko Herrmann!

NOTE:  There was another topic posted named: "I'm So Bored!" about the same thing.  It's a bit inconspicuous so I'm posting it here again.

[Alikchi]

RRR4444WWWT.

This is very good!:nod:

[Galemp]

Paths! Dockpoints! Thrusters! Eyepoints! Yaaaah!:eek: