[Sandwich]

Originally posted by daveb
What the heck, I have code for this at home. I may just give it a shot.

Niice daveb.... good daveb... *hands daveb a cookie* :wink:

[Anaz]

sigh...I suppose I am gonna have to do the textured primatives...

oh well...there is a good article about it on gamedev.net

[##UnknownPlayer##]

You know what we really need here? Any internal documentation V might have had for the graphics routines. That would make things a whole lot easier.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by ##UnknownPlayer##
You know what we really need here? Any internal documentation V might have had for the graphics routines. That would make things a whole lot easier.

Try rephrasing that:

Originally posted by ##UnknownPlayer##
You know what we really need here? Any internal documentation V might have had -==-. That would make things a whole lot easier.

[WMCoolmon]

[Alikchi]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon

*tempted to derail topic*

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon

*sniff*



A moment of silence for those that have departed from amongst us... :wink:

[WMCoolmon]

It hasn't departed, that's the original. Here's some proof.

And it was added by Steak...

[Bobboau]

I wonder if we'd be able to get this thing upgraded to dx8

[RandomTiger]

Big job but possible.
Would require a few coders to work together I reckon.
Also we would need a lot of support off the community for testing.

[Inquisitor]

Start small. Things like the movie player is a start, then maybe move on to controls. Or the hardware detects stuff. Graphics are gonna have to be thought thru

Basically, start with the easy stuff, DX is more than just graphics

Last I checked, UP was deep into looking at the DX8 SDK, so, maybe we'll hear somethign from him soon

[RandomTiger]

We obviously need to update Direct3D (just see my poll in MOD forum). And we may have to do something about direct draw at some point.

But is there any need (at this time) to update direct sound, input or any other components of directX?

[Zarax]

Not to be off topic...
But system requirements should be taken with the highest importance...
Not everyone here has a last gen pc...
I think that the average user may have an high-end pentium 2 to medium clock pentium 3 (about 650/700 mhz) and video cards ranging from voodoo 2 to geforce 2 mx (on average).
You should take something similar as target system requirement, by doing the right implementations or making many switches in the code, so that the game automatically detetcs the performance and adjust the graphic level (basically update the small utility that there was in the setup menu if it's still there).
I'm also against any changes that can bring compatibility isses with pof models...
If you don't keep compatibility there is an high risk of losing many great mods...

Just my two bits...

[RandomTiger]

Originally posted by Zarax
Not to be off topic...
But system requirements should be taken with the highest importance...

They are in my mind

Not everyone here has a last gen pc...

I only have a P3 450 which I consider crap to be honest.
But polls have been done to identify HL members PCU speed, gfx card type and overall benchmark. So I think this is something developers have in mind.

so that the game automatically detetcs the performance and adjust the graphic level.

In my experience auto detects for PC games are usually rubbish. Most due to the fact they dont treat gfx and cpu power differently.
I would prefer to keep the power with the user as the FS series always has. Which also means less coding which is nice.

I'm also against any changes that can bring compatibility isses with pof models...
If you don't keep compatibility there is an high risk of losing many great mods...

What exactly has brought this worry on?

If we upgrade FS2 to DX8 then it may not work on win 95, but thats not our fault. Mircosoft has abandonned that OS.

As I see it and I hope this is the case, that the engine will remain back compatable but new features may not be avaliable to those with old tech, ie an old graphics card.

[IceFire]

I think in general, DX8 will help speed up some of the older machines too.  If you've got a decently recent video card with the latest drivers, this will probably boost performance.

[Fry_Day]

think that the average user may have an high-end pentium 2 to medium clock pentium 3 (about 650/700 mhz) and video cards ranging from voodoo 2 to geforce 2 mx (on average).

First of all, according to the system specs poll, this is wrong - more people have CPUs faster than 800MHz, and more people have T&L compatible cards (With the GeForce2 MX being the slowest of the pack) than people under the 'other' part, which I assume are all non-T&L capable (Even though there might be an odd S3 Savage 2000 (which has T&L)).
DX8 will mean SERIOUS preformance increases for anyone with a T&L capable card, and perhaps increases for non-T&L capable cards, since DirectX has indeed improved over the years.

[RandomTiger]

I hope we dont have too many voodoos. I dont think direct X8.1 is going to get on well with them.

"Voodoo 3 only supports DirectX up to version 7 natively" PC Gamer

I just cant get my DirectShow8 code working properly on a voodoo 2.

You can get third party drives for v3 but I doubt they are perfect.

Serves you all right for buying voodoo's though. You should have bought TNT's (1 or 2) instead. But you bought voodoo's because their boxes were prettier and your stupid mates told you to, DIDNT YOU? (fools)

- Voodoo rant over -:mad:

[Martinus]

Originally posted by RandomTiger
I hope we dont have too many voodoos. I dont think direct X8.1 is going to get on well with them.

"Voodoo 3 only supports DirectX up to version 7 natively" PC Gamer

I just cant get my DirectShow8 code working properly on a voodoo 2.

You can get third party drives for v3 but I doubt they are perfect.

Serves you all right for buying voodoo's though. You should have bought TNT's (1 or 2) instead. But you bought voodoo's because their boxes were prettier and your stupid mates told you to, DIDNT YOU? (fools)

- Voodoo rant over -:mad:

I have a voodoo 3 2000 and I think it's a downright excellent card, it's a doddle to setup and drivers are plentiful and very stable, it was also pretty affordable. There's no question that in todays terms it's showing its age but I don't regret getting it instead of a TNT.

Getting mad about this is silly, anyone who's still running a voodoo card is most likely to own an older machine in any case which means that any significantly upgraded version of FS2 might not run well on their machine.
We can still add new functionality to the executable whilst keeping it compatable on older hardware so where's the problem?

Surely this only truely effects graphics related updates.

[RandomTiger]

Originally posted by Maeglamor


I have a voodoo 3 2000 and I think it's a downright excellent card, it's a doddle to setup and drivers are plentiful and very stable, it was also pretty affordable. There's no question that in todays terms it's showing its age but I don't regret getting it instead of a TNT.

Im surprised you havent had any problems yet. Which drivers do you use, offical ones or third party? V3's only officially support up to DX7.

If you have drivers that are stable, reliable and complete for directX8 we could do with knowing which ones they are, perhaps v3 owners wont have to get left behind.

Voodoos are a nightmare to program for, I've had many bad experiences with them that have increased my hate of them.

Up until a few months ago I was using a TNT2 and still could play Max Payne, Medal of Honour, AvP2, black and white.

[Martinus]

I use 3rd party drivers and am currently running Dx8 on both my win95 and 2k partitions. Both sets of drivers are available on voodoofiles. The win 95 drivers are called 'Cuneyt to Adjusted 3dfx Voodoo3 Driver' and the win 2k drivers are 'Dozer 1.0 XP' both are very stable and come with Dx updates.