What is it that made the Shivans want to kill everyone? Because after playing FS1 and 2 several times, you realize that they really do want to kill you? But what is it that drives them to do it?
Really? Especially after FS2, I got the impression that the Shivans made a conscious decision to let both Terrans and Vasudans live....I guess in a way they did...
Not knowing is part of their charm.True... I thought it would be kinda interesting to know...
This is just another one of those threads that will turn into another debate of what the Shivans' motives and origins are, like that Capella one a week ago and the countless ones before that. Also like the "The one thing I didn't like about FS2 was how it handled the Sathanas" and the "Freespace 3: The Shivans" topics. They are all very similar topics.
They are PMSing.
This is just another one of those threads that will turn into another debate of what the Shivans' motives and origins are, like that Capella one a week ago and the countless ones before that. Also like the "The one thing I didn't like about FS2 was how it handled the Sathanas" and the "Freespace 3: The Shivans" topics. They are all very similar topics.
Soooooooo?
This is just another one of those threads that will turn into another debate of what the Shivans' motives and origins are, like that Capella one a week ago and the countless ones before that. Also like the "The one thing I didn't like about FS2 was how it handled the Sathanas" and the "Freespace 3: The Shivans" topics. They are all very similar topics.Dude, why do you care, and why do you come in and try to derail every topic on this board?
That wasn't de-railing, more stopping in tracks.
NO BRAKES, NO BRAKES...!
So who's been derailing here now, eh? :PThis is just another one of those threads that will turn into another debate of what the Shivans' motives and origins are, like that Capella one a week ago and the countless ones before that. Also like the "The one thing I didn't like about FS2 was how it handled the Sathanas" and the "Freespace 3: The Shivans" topics. They are all very similar topics.Dude, why do you care, and why do you come in and try to derail every topic on this board?
Supernovae are the secret ingredient to Bosch Beer. Now that the Shivans have Bosch, the BBQ can go on back home.
I don't post in many topics so your little comment is extremely exaggerated and false.I can count about 8-10 derailed topics in the past month.
I don't care at all.Then don't post.
I just can't help but say that I think it is silly and pointless to always make the same damn topic and it gets quite boring too.Then don't post.
It never goes anywhere.Then ignore it. Don't post.
How easily entertained you are.Oh I know. Did you not read how the first 10 posts were devoted to not giving several ****s?
Use some logic.You too. If you don't enjoy these threads, feel free to not read them / post in them.
High Max, if you don't have anything to add to the thread, just ignore it.
I always thought of the Shivans as being very animalistic (weird, I know). They attacked merely because we were in the way. They didn't think about resources or future advancement. They saw another species and tried to kill it.I always believed the opposite. I viewed the Shivans as scheming strategists rather than mindless animals. I found the way that they seemed to actually have some kind of incomprehensible logic behind their apparently mindless slaughter very intriguing.
People think they're the classic bunch of mindless sheep because they blow up so easily during the game. In the universe, however, they're far deadlier... the Manticore that shot down that unlucky Hercules in the intro came out with very good maneuvers.
They would think the same of the Terrans or Vasudans if the series was played from the point of view of the Shivans.
In FS2 they seem more like the horde of mindless space spiders IMO.
Funny, I never got the feeling that they were mindless, but maybe you got that feeling because the Shivans didn't get as far into GTVA space as they did the first time.
I felt more like they were actually sending a message instead of just trying to destroy. The fleet of Sathanes and the supernova were sort of like saying (at least to me) "Don't **** with us, because we WILL kick your ass."
But that's just me.
They don't appear to be concerned with holding planets or resources.
They don't appear to be concerned with holding planets or resources.
A well organized expeditionary force doesn't have to do that. Keep in mind that we don't know anything about the Shivans' endurance.
The Taranis had to resupply after who knows how many sorties.
(Which makes what happened to said source one of the great unacknowledged mysteries of FreeSpace.)
The presumable ultimate Shivan plan in FS1, involving the glassing of every world in Terran-Vasudan space, would take perhaps six months. Unless they were prepared with prefabricated factories, mines, and a large noncombat fleet just laying around, this isn't really enough time; furthermore the Shivans didn't see a need to reinforce their existing expedition, although there was apparently a source of supply somewhere beyond Ross 128. (Which makes what happened to said source one of the great unacknowledged mysteries of FreeSpace.)I thought they'd only want to glass the two equally most important planets, Earth and Vasuda Prime. That would take considerably shorter time. The rest may supposedly be able to wipe out slowly and easily.
(Which makes what happened to said source one of the great unacknowledged mysteries of FreeSpace.)
Wasn't that covered in Blue Planet?
I think I'm referring to the mission titled "Enter the Dragon" or something like that.
No, he has a significant point. Someone called them vultures. Vultures prey on the weak and wounded...
watNo, he has a significant point. Someone called them vultures. Vultures prey on the weak and wounded...
I thought that was what they did?
Since when did they bloody do that?
Maybe it was a drone, sent to soften up the defenses first. Surely the Shivans can construct enough drone fighter/bombers to occupy it. Also their AI may and probably would be much more sophisticated than ours.Didn't Snipes say they bagged some live Shivans capturing those maras?
Didn't Snipes say they bagged some live Shivans capturing those maras?It was in the "Command Briefing" cutscene in FS1:
That was probably one of the first testsIt's ALWAYS the first test :P
If SOC managed to capture Shivan fighters, as we know they did, and if GTVI engineers poked through and upgraded said fighters, as we know they did, it stands to reason that the GTVI is in possession of at least four Shivans, dead or alive. :p
It's said several times during the campaign that the Shivans destroy races who use subspace to prevent those races from destroying other, less powerful races.
Like a natural defense mechanism of the universe.
They may have blasted beyond recognition or a least beyond usefullness during the taking of the fighters. Or maybe they commit suicide before their capturers can get them.
They may have blasted beyond recognition or a least beyond usefullness during the taking of the fighters. Or maybe they commit suicide before their capturers can get them.