[AdmiralRalwood]

Was meant to and does; the code allows the Bakha to carry the Helios because it's a valid weapon (it doesn't care that it was only made valid in the primary list instead of the secondary list).

So does that mean that in FRED I can put primaries in secondary slots (and visa versa) and it will still work? As in, can I have 4 primaries (two in secondary slots) and they would all drain my weapons energy? Or would those in the secondary slots have a "missile count"? It would be cool to put bombs in the primaries and shoot a bunch of them like they were primaries...

As General Battuta said:

Nope.

I was speaking purely in terms of how the game checks which weapons are valid for that ship; it still differentiates between which are primaries and which are secondaries.

[QuantumDelta]

The horus 'sideways' profile is irrelevant considering most people are shooting at the top, or slightly less commonly bottom, but almost never, side.

The Perseus is my favourite fighter, but unfortunately outside of dogfighting/intercepting it isn't that useful.
The Erinyes is my go-to dueling fighter assuming people aren't flying lights (or aren't good..), it can also double up as a strategic fighter because it can pack maxim with a bank of trebs, and tempest with prom s / kayser.
The Ares is 'command and control' and should be used as such, it's effectively a more missile based version of the erinyes, top bank maxim, second bank prom s / kayser, tempest / trebs, tends to engage at range to start with, beyond when the AI is interested in dodging if they haven't taken any damage, used to heavily strip things of turrets while killing fighters.

Most ships have their role that they excel at though.

[Valrog]

The Thoth is my favorite. Its extreme speed and maneuverability, combined with 4 primary weapons makes it a joy to afterburn past someone and then tear them to pieces from behind.

I just wish that it could carry the Maxim, like that stupid Serapis paper plane.

[wardog300k]

I'll keep the voting for two more days, then I'll count the votes and declare the winner.

[Vrets]

I just wish that it could carry the Maxim, like that stupid Serapis paper plane.

A Thoth packing a Maxim would be pretty helpless against anything with shields, though. The Serapis is a flying coffin, but at least it can be easily flown with the mouse (so responsive).

[Valrog]

True, the Thoth can only carry the same weapon weapon, so the Maxim would not be recommended. Tempests and wingmen with shield-draining weapons could help cope a little, though, if it could carry the Maxim.

What about the Ulysses? It can pick 2 different weapons, has 4 gun mounts and also has high speed and maneuverability. It can carry the Maxim and Circe. Energy is a problem, but not so much when you're flying close behind the target, which is where you should be in a Ulysses. Admittedly, I've not flown it much, as when you get to fly it in the FS2 campaign, you don't have good primary weapons.

My main dislike of the Serapis is the 2 primary gun points. Sacrificing endurance for speed and maneuverability would be a good trade if it had better firepower.

[Thisisaverylongusername]

True, the Thoth can only carry the same weapon weapon, so the Maxim would not be recommended. Tempests and wingmen with shield-draining weapons could help cope a little, though, if it could carry the Maxim.

What about the Ulysses? It can pick 2 different weapons, has 4 gun mounts and also has high speed and maneuverability. It can carry the Maxim and Circe. Energy is a problem, but not so much when you're flying close behind the target, which is where you should be in a Ulysses. Admittedly, I've not flown it much, as when you get to fly it in the FS2 campaign, you don't have good primary weapons.

My main dislike of the Serapis is the 2 primary gun points. Sacrificing endurance for speed and maneuverability would be a good trade if it had better firepower.

Gonna have to stop you before you get ahead of yourself. The Ulysses cannot carry the Maxim, and the Maxim/Circe combination is not as good as some people make it out to be. If you want to carry the Maxim in a "light" fighter, your options are the Serapis and the Loki. The Serapis is made of paper mache, and the Loki has very few secondaries. If you really want to take the Maxim, go for something heavier.

[Valrog]

Gonna have to stop you before you get ahead of yourself. The Ulysses cannot carry the Maxim.

Huh? The Ship guide on this site as well as the Root_fs2.vp show the Maxim as equipable by the Ulysses.

...and the Maxim/Circe combination is not as good as some people make it out to be. If you want to carry the Maxim in a "light" fighter, your options are the Serapis and the Loki. The Serapis is made of paper mache, and the Loki has very few secondaries. If you really want to take the Maxim, go for something heavier.

You're missing the point. The idea of carrying the Maxim is not to be the best dogfighter. It's to be able to destroy cruisers more effectively while in a fighter, while retaining the ability to dogfight.

[X3N0-Life-Form]

My main dislike of the Serapis is the 2 primary gun points. Sacrificing endurance for speed and maneuverability would be a good trade if it had better firepower.

The Serapis has 4 primary gun points, divided in two weapon banks, same as most fighters. Moreover, it's got a surprisingly good energy reserve for such a light fighter (same as a heavy fighter I believe), meaning that it handles energy-hungry weapons like the Maxim or Prom S quite well.

[Valrog]

The Serapis has 4 primary gun points, divided in two weapon banks, same as most fighters. Moreover, it's got a surprisingly good energy reserve for such a light fighter (same as a heavy fighter I believe), meaning that it handles energy-hungry weapons like the Maxim or Prom S quite well.

Are you referring to some mod?? The Ship guide and the Root_fs2.vp file list the Serapis as having only 2 primary gun mounts. Firing it also shoots only 2 projectiles...

[X3N0-Life-Form]

I think we might have had a vocabulary issue here, I was under the impression that you were saying that the Serapis only had a single 2-gun-point bank, which is obviously not the case.


To clarify :
- Gun banks are the things you choose a weapon for in the loadout menu. They are composed of multiple gun points.
- Gun points are the things that actually fire when you fire with a selected gun bank.

On average, fighters have two gun banks with two gun points each (Perseus, Herc 2, Serapis, Horus, Seth, etc.), but some have a single 4-gun-points bank (Thoth), or a 2-gun-point and a 4-gun-point bank (Ares, Hercules, Tauret, Myrmidon), or two 4-gun-point banks (Erinyes). Shivans also have more exotic configurations.

[Valrog]

I'll be darned! I thought the Serapis had lower firepower than most fighters. Forget what I said.  Until your post, I used to think that "gun mounts" were the total number of guns, which were then allocated to the primary weapon banks.

I only used the Serapis with "dual" Maxims, so I never knew if it was good at dogfighting. I'll give it another shot.

[wardog300k]

Its time to declare the winner!

And the winner is................................GTF Erinyes, with 12 votes!
Second place takes.............................GTF Perseus, with 11 votes!
Third place gets...................................GTF Ares, with 3 votes!

If I have made a mistake that you noted, please correct me.

[Colonol Dekker]

Erinyes Wins!!!!


 


Whoop! !

My favourite.

[NGTM-1R]

Kind of disappointed nobody seriously voted for the Athena.

[wardog300k]

Athena is a bomber.

[Mongoose]

In name only.  In reality it's a surprisingly-capable heavy fighter.

[niffiwan]

I kinda assumed it was an FS2 question, for FS1 Athena would be at the top of my list, and I've got a Lucy and a Hades painted on the side of mine

[FlamingCobra]

Honestly the Ulysses is my favorite. In my opinion it flies like a dream.

[Aesaar]

Perseus always wins because truth is not a democracy.