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Reply #20 on: October 17, 2005, 02:39:48 pm
Taylor, and it should be fixed in the next build.  It's a case of checking for a texture name with case sensitivity in a check for thruster glows in general from what I understand.  Check your Mantis bug, as he and I have talked about it there.

I guess it was technically a media issue to begin with, but since filenames have been pretty cleanly established as case insensitive in FSO, it does make sense to fix it in code.  Of course, fixing both would be a piece of cake (again, read the bug report; it's a 10-second fix in PCS) if you want to take care of 3.6.7 media in a way that's best for 3.6.7.
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Reply #21 on: October 17, 2005, 02:47:24 pm
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did the spelling of relitive change in any recent builds :D
It's spelled "relative".  Look it up.
 

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Reply #22 on: October 17, 2005, 02:55:13 pm
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It's spelled "relative".  Look it up.


it was a joke dude, remember how bobb didnt know how to spell it when he implemented the feature. :D i think its gotten to where if you fixed the spelling of the variable name, modders would complain :D

wait i think it was changed [/moron]
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Reply #23 on: October 17, 2005, 07:24:34 pm
Well, I am continuing to work with plain ole ships.tbl for now -- it will be a trivial matter to copy and paste into an XMT file later.

Here are screenies so you can validate the choices of turret position I made.  Comments / feedback welcome.

Aelous: Four foward turrets face forwards, after turrets aft.  Barrels angled up 20 degrees.



Deimos: Two foremost dorsal turrets face forward, after turret faces aft. Barrels angled up 20 degrees.  Ventral turret faces forward with barrels at 45 degrees to clear ship structure.



Hecate: Forward three dorsal turrets face forward; barrels at 20 degrees.



After turret faces aft.  This turret doesn't seem to work properly, or is just so poorly constructed as to stand out badly. The new Hecate will be 100,000 times better.



I did not touch the short barreled ventral turrets, which are also horribly constructed and look awful altered.

Iceni: Turrets arranged logically according to position on the ship.



The ventral side turrets face out their respective sides.


 
Orion: Forward turrets are all facing forward, barrels at 10 degrees.



I go back and forth on which way to face the after turrets.  For now, the upper after turret faces aft.



As does the midships ventral turret.

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Reply #24 on: October 17, 2005, 09:36:04 pm
That hecate turret is the same as all of the others, except that :v: mounted it backwards in the geometry.   Bad :v:
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Reply #25 on: October 21, 2005, 08:25:45 pm
Oddly, some turrets don't play nice with the animation code.  The gun barrels depress to the proper angle, and the turret itself rotes to the right place, but the gun barrels don't rotate with the rest of the turret!  The hi poly Satis and Aten are both like this:





Any ideas?
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Reply #26 on: October 21, 2005, 09:32:23 pm
Oh great, are those heirarchies not right?

Barrels should be children of their turrets.  Those might just be siblings.  I'll look in to it.

EDIT: Yep, they are.  I think I can fix them though without needing to have access to the scenes to compile them.
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Reply #27 on: October 21, 2005, 10:34:51 pm
Ok, Fixored.

heirarchy_matters.zip

I didn't get a chance to check the Aten properly, so give it a thurough go-over.  I did look at the Satis though and it should be all good.  Props to Raa for hooking me up with the fixed model.  (I would have done it myself, but Raa mounted the whole turret backwards :rolleyes: )  If you run in to this elsewhere, let me know.

Admiral Nelson, make sure you include the fixed models with your final release, as they're necessary for proper operation.  Galemp may re-work the Aten some more because of some random turret targeting errors, but we'll deal with that when both have been released.
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Reply #28 on: October 22, 2005, 11:47:53 am
OKay, that fixed the issue, thanks! :)  I should be done later in the weekend.
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Reply #29 on: October 22, 2005, 07:27:19 pm
Okay, here's another issue.  I think that the animation code assumes that any given turret faces forward.  A turret which faces aft on the model itself confuses the system.  Look at the Medusa for instance -- the gun turret is always turned away from the gun barrels regardless of which way you instruct the turret to point via the animation code:



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Reply #30 on: October 22, 2005, 07:43:08 pm
That's a problem with the model, not the animation code.  Topside turrets must ALWAYS face forwards, or even when you don't specify an angle the game will do that.  Same with the oddball turret on the Hecate.  Note it for the HTL conversion of those ships, but it's not something you can fix with the submodel animation code.
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Reply #31 on: October 22, 2005, 07:52:52 pm
D'oh.  The Medusa and Ursa are both that way.  The high poly Aten's ventral turret is also backwards on the model (meaning that it is facing towards the prow, that is).
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Reply #32 on: October 22, 2005, 08:06:38 pm
It's a well-documented rule, but everyone forgets now and then.  Unfortunately, unlike submodel offset and parent, I can't fix a backwards turret by editing the raw data.  We'll have to live with them being backwards until a HTL rendition (or in the Aten's case, Galemp's reconversion if/when he ever gets around to it).
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Reply #33 on: October 23, 2005, 09:22:29 pm
All right, here it is:

Download

This release includes angle fixes for:
GTFR Triton
GTC Fenris
GTM Hippocrates
GTC Leviathan
GTD Orion
GTD Hecate
GTD Orion#2 (Bastion)
GTVA Colossus
GTCv Deimos
GTC Aeolus
NTF Iceni
GTT Argo
GVFr Satis
GVC Aten
GVC Mentu
GVCv Sobek
SC Cain
SC Lilith
SFr Mephisto
SD Demon

Some ships with crude geometry or turrets haven't been fixed; its not worth the trouble until they are high pollified.

Try it and let me know what you think.

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Reply #34 on: November 12, 2005, 01:16:44 am
Could we move this thread to the FSU forum?
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Reply #35 on: November 12, 2005, 03:50:52 pm
Were the earlier issues with 3.6.7 builds resolved, or will these only work with new cvs builds?
 

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Reply #36 on: November 12, 2005, 09:15:30 pm
AFAIK the support for XTM files such as this one is only present in post 3.6.7 builds.  The entries I made do work in older builds, but would have to be placed in ships.tbl.  That would mean that mods using a different ships.tbl would also have to be edited to see the effect.
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Reply #37 on: December 09, 2005, 10:16:06 pm
I have made a tiny edit to the XMT file to support the new Hecate's ventral turrets.  The original release left them vertical as they were so crude and blocky the actually looked worse.  This edit depresses the barrels on these two turrets in an appropriate manner.

http://www.fileh.com/NelsonAndBronte/TurretAngleFix.zip
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Reply #38 on: December 10, 2005, 02:21:38 am
Wow, really nice! I'm glad you did this.
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Reply #39 on: December 22, 2005, 10:40:34 am
12/22/2005 update:
Added support for Stratcomm's new Medusa.  I do not actually have access to FS2 at my current location, so I'd appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to try this out for me real quick and make sure there is no issue.

Thanks!

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