[Kosh]

How is a three kiloton detonation physically impossible when our modern nuclear warheads easily achieve that yield?

uh, because they aren't nuclear.

Yes they are.

Even if they aren't nuclear it is entirely possible to be able to build something like that 300 years from now given that advances in technology and science allow for miniaturization.

[General Battuta]

How is a three kiloton detonation physically impossible when our modern nuclear warheads easily achieve that yield?

uh, because they aren't nuclear.

Yes they are.

Even if they aren't nuclear it is entirely possible to be able to build something like that 300 years from now given that advances in technology and science allow for miniaturization.

A very good point.

[Infamus]

Whatever. I try to make a suggestion and you automatically smack me with the sharp-end of a sledgehammer just because I'm wrong THE FIRST TIME. **** my old ideas.

Suggestion: Make a subspace-rupturing bomb that makes something in effect to a million black holes that last for Planck and release a massive resulting shock wave, that should work. Here's a table file, its a modification of the Trinity missile from ItDoH.

Instead of sticking with what we know, or staying it the past, why not use the past to look forward: innovation. Sorry for being an ass. No, I seriously mean that.

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[Scotty]

Is anyone else getting tired of this guy's retarded trolling?

[Droid803]

I find it rather amusing.
Why so serious? (though I would admit, some people have told me that before)

[The E]

Bo, Tesla made **** that was more powerful than a nuke,

Provide proof or GTFO.

Before you cite that crap about him being potentially involved in Tunguska, you should know that that one has been pretty much proven to be a meteoroid impact.

[Shivan Hunter]

and make it about 50,000 times more powerful

I've taken this quote out of its particular context, since it seems to be your general strategy for combating the Shivans. You don't seem to be considering the production costs- or even feasibility or physical possibility- of doing that for a certain weapon.

Let's take this thermite that you seem to be so obsessed with.

The Sathanas is 6KM long, and quite massive. Let's forget about the Dante and even the other 100 Sathanas juggs for a moment. How would you destroy one Sath with thermite? You can't just shoot it into the hull- if that were effective, the above-nuclear-grade Helios bombs would have pulverized the destroyer.

By all rights, a weapon as powerful as the Helios would cripple or completely rip apart a ship as large as the Sath if it were made of conventional materials. So what does that tell us? Materials science has advanced several centuries by the time of FS, and they have hulls that are known to withstand Helios bombs on a corvette. The Shivans have a cruiser that can withstand a Helios explosion.

There is one fact that you seem to be avoiding at all costs here: the Shivans are more technologically advanced than we are, and they have vastly superior numbers. Their numbers alone could overwhelm us. How exactly would you defend against 100 Sathanas juggernauts?

I want you to answer one thing, or I'll consider your entire argument to be a bunch of unverified BS that isn't supported by any canon facts about the GTVA and weapons in the FS universe. And I don't want any "Tesla could do it" crap either, I want an actual feasible strategy based on existing FS canon about weaponry and limitations in GTVA production ability.

How would you attack a fleet of 100 Sathanas juggernauts, their supporting ships, and an SJ Dante, with the resources the GTVA has?

[Kosh]

plenty of species have gone extinct and have existed for millions of years FROM NATURAL CAUSES.

And you know what all of them had in common? No technology whatsoever. Dinosaurs never went to the moon.

Bo, Tesla made **** that was more powerful than a nuke, and he was born during the late 1800's yes, that long ago, WITH SCRAP PARTS.

A strategic nuclear warhead can vaporize an entire city.

[Delta_V]

it could replace the Gauss cannon ammo that the UEF uses

Now why would you want to do that?  Their cannons use antimatter-cored rounds.  I don't know how powerful Thermite is, but I guarantee you it is not as powerful as antimatter.  If antimatter doesn't cut it, the only other option in FS2 is meson weaponry. (And if that can't do the job, you're beyond screwed)

[SomeGuyWithAName]

I don't know how powerful Thermite is, but I guarantee you it is not as powerful as antimatter.  If antimatter doesn't cut it, the only other option in FS2 is meson weaponry. (And if that can't do the job, you're beyond screwed)

Indeed, while Thermite can burn as hot as the surface of the sun, antimatter/matter reactions should locally produce reactions even more devastating than the inside of a sun.

And while Tesla was a major badass, most of the popular legends around his "secret" inventions that are "much better than everything we even have today" are completely out of proportion and miss key facts that we discovered since then. While his ideas were genius, some of his devices were either completely impractical or outright impossible to make.

And none of his devices, especially none build out of scrap parts, was stronger than a modern strategic nuke - and no way in hell anything he created came close to a 50000mt explosion. (in an athmosphere like earth, that would be enough to basically completely devastate all of ireland and parts of the main british island)

[-Sara-]

As far as I know thermite only works when spread over a surface, probably using a fuel (oxygen?) or something similar to combust and maintain. An advanced ceramic layer of some kind would probably reduce the effect, such as a carapace of sorts. Thermite also doesn't give a blast I think, just lots of heat. Beam weaponry does what thermite does, giving sustained heat onto a hull.

[Topgun]

As far as I know thermite only works when spread over a surface, probably using a fuel (oxygen?) or something similar to combust and maintain. An advanced ceramic layer of some kind would probably reduce the effect, such as a carapace of sorts. Thermite also doesn't give a blast I think, just lots of heat. Beam weaponry does what thermite does, giving sustained heat onto a hull.

heat is uber deadly to IRL space ships. seeing how Freespace ships can take antimatter/matter reaction explosions, I don't think its really a problem for them.

[Herra Tohtori]

heat is uber deadly to IRL space ships. seeing how Freespace ships can take antimatter/matter reaction explosions, I don't think its really a problem for them.

Even if the ships themselves could retain their structural integrity at white-glowign hot temperatures, I can see that being somewhat inconvenient for the crew.

Aside from that, normal solid matter can only stay solid (and normal matter) below certain temperatures, and I can see beams being capable of heating their target's surface to sufficient temperatures to simply convert the matter into a cloud of electrons, protons and neutrons rather than dicking around with more normal phase changes of matter.

It's even possible that the beams go even further and split the protons and neutrons into something more primal (see quark-gluon plasma)...

[Shivan Hunter]

Infamus managed to seriously derail this thread. IMO a Tev vs GTVA debate is more interesting than a physics debate which, given the general nerdiness of the community as a whole, has been beaten to death long before now.

so.... back OT, Tevs suck

[Scotty]

Staying OT and completely in-character:

If Tevs sucked, they wouldn't be winning.

[Topgun]

I think they both suck. Tevs suck for trying to force their authority on the feds, and the feds suck cuz they're hippies.

[General Battuta]

the feds suck cuz they're hippies.

Neocapitalist, industrial, exploratory hippies?

[Ravenholme]

the feds suck cuz they're hippies.

Neocapitalist, industrial, exploratory hippies?

Hippies who grew up?

[Infamus]

Yeah, probably. But you have to start somewhere!

Hey, at least they are not as near as bad as the ****ing Gefs, their like the extreme leftist environmentalists from hell: lying to get there own way and trolling if they fail.

As for the Tevs, I see there point but they don't need to be so damn aggressive. And about the Feds, they are just defending their turf, But there is one small thing they need to know: "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Staying OT and completely in-character:

If Tevs sucked, they wouldn't be winning.

I bet the UEF are thinking along this line: