[Mancubus]

Well there was some disagreement about some cat's fighters gun in wc3, and data provided in the net and in manuals is somehow erratic.

Now i have recently (few days ago) replayed Wc3, as i made KS version to run, and i've made some observations, and came out with this little list, that just might prove usefull,

STRAKHA has two meson and two lasers, im absolutly sure now

SORTHAK has SIX ion guns in the front (they may be reapers, but i'm pretty sure they are ions) and the same amount of mesons in the rear

the others are not controvertsial (i think) but i can post the whole list if you wish

[Mancubus]

:edit: thanks for correction

[Starman01]

STRAKHA has two meson and two lasers, im absolutly sure now

Good to know this. I would have really angered me when I had to make that fighter with only 2 meson guns.

What's with your second post ? 

[Mancubus]

i made a spelling mistake iin the thrad name and someone watching (ome mod probably) corrected it

[Tolwyn]

yes, I am watching over everything

[Mancubus]

And hiding from pepople, like the big brother, i must add

[Tolwyn]

This isn't Burger King.  You can't have it your way.

[NGTM-1R]

Sure we can. Once we get ahold of the tables anyways. <,< >,>

[IceFire]

Well there was some disagreement about some cat's fighters gun in wc3, and data provided in the net and in manuals is somehow erratic.

Now i have recently (few days ago) replayed Wc3, as i made KS version to run, and i've made some observations, and came out with this little list, that just might prove usefull,

STRAKHA has two meson and two lasers, im absolutly sure now

SORTHAK has SIX ion guns in the front (they may be reapers, but i'm pretty sure they are ions) and the same amount of mesons in the rear

the others are not controvertsial (i think) but i can post the whole list if you wish

Definately Reapers in the front.  The sound is the same as the Reaper and not like the Ion.  My guess is that they just use one entry for each weapon type Confed or otherwise.

[starlord]

I agree, besides there fire rate is WAY too fast for ion guns: They must be reapers.

[TheLeadSled]

Definately Reapers in the front.  The sound is the same as the Reaper and not like the Ion.  My guess is that they just use one entry for each weapon type Confed or otherwise.

Hmmm thats odd. I thought the reaper was only found on the Excalibur and therefore a newly developed confederation weapon.
On a second note though I never really understood why origin chose the guns they did for the confed fighters; neutron guns, photon cannons and the ion gun? They were the most obsolete of the guns available. The kilrathi had the right idea using meson guns - very high damage: energy ratio although they did use ions as well. As for the ion gun why not just use partcile cannons? They do much more damage and use a lot less energy than the ion whilst the range and refire delay are almost equal.

[Ace]

I'd definately create a seperate set for Kilrathi weapons, having properties similar to the ones seen in the original in-game loadouts. (the manuals are inconsistent often with what's actually in-game)

So while the original might be a reaper cannon, the Kilrathi version has similar properties but a different effect and name that would fit with their technologies.

[Fade Rathnik]

Definately Reapers in the front.  The sound is the same as the Reaper and not like the Ion.  My guess is that they just use one entry for each weapon type Confed or otherwise.

Hmmm thats odd. I thought the reaper was only found on the Excalibur and therefore a newly developed confederation weapon.
On a second note though I never really understood why origin chose the guns they did for the confed fighters; neutron guns, photon cannons and the ion gun? They were the most obsolete of the guns available. The kilrathi had the right idea using meson guns - very high damage: energy ratio although they did use ions as well. As for the ion gun why not just use partcile cannons? They do much more damage and use a lot less energy than the ion whilst the range and refire delay are almost equal.

One might also ask the same question about the US military, we still use the 5.56 mm round but its been proven that the 6.7 spc is many times more effective. Its simple there are enough 5.56 rounds in stock that changing would be too expensive. Maybe they had crates and crates of cannons coming out of their ears so they spent all their resources building ships and used weapons they had hanging about.

After all when playing WC3 most of the kills i racked up in that game I was flying an Arrow, one of weakest gun arrays in the game; but they were in a tight group so it was easy to punch holes in shields on the first pass, then you hit auto slide spin around and launch a FF missile to seal the deal. Its not a question of guns its tactics.

[IceFire]

Definately Reapers in the front.  The sound is the same as the Reaper and not like the Ion.  My guess is that they just use one entry for each weapon type Confed or otherwise.

Hmmm thats odd. I thought the reaper was only found on the Excalibur and therefore a newly developed confederation weapon.
On a second note though I never really understood why origin chose the guns they did for the confed fighters; neutron guns, photon cannons and the ion gun? They were the most obsolete of the guns available. The kilrathi had the right idea using meson guns - very high damage: energy ratio although they did use ions as well. As for the ion gun why not just use partcile cannons? They do much more damage and use a lot less energy than the ion whilst the range and refire delay are almost equal.

This is where clinging to the games fictional canon and the actual in game content becomes problematic.  Its quite simple...the guys at Origin, when they put the ship together, probably felt that the forward guns were too weak being Ion cannons (for the intended effect) and felt that the Reaper cannon was the best solution.  Its just programming.  And since few even noticed this their mission was accomplished by achieving intended effect while maintaining other appearances.

[Scooby_Doo]

Definately Reapers in the front.  The sound is the same as the Reaper and not like the Ion.  My guess is that they just use one entry for each weapon type Confed or otherwise.

Hmmm thats odd. I thought the reaper was only found on the Excalibur and therefore a newly developed confederation weapon.
On a second note though I never really understood why origin chose the guns they did for the confed fighters; neutron guns, photon cannons and the ion gun? They were the most obsolete of the guns available. The kilrathi had the right idea using meson guns - very high damage: energy ratio although they did use ions as well. As for the ion gun why not just use partcile cannons? They do much more damage and use a lot less energy than the ion whilst the range and refire delay are almost equal.

This is where clinging to the games fictional canon and the actual in game content becomes problematic.  Its quite simple...the guys at Origin, when they put the ship together, probably felt that the forward guns were too weak being Ion cannons (for the intended effect) and felt that the Reaper cannon was the best solution.  Its just programming.  And since few even noticed this their mission was accomplished by achieving intended effect while maintaining other appearances.

We have a winner! Playablility + Ability of engine > canon

[TheLeadSled]

After all when playing WC3 most of the kills i racked up in that game I was flying an Arrow, one of weakest gun arrays in the game; but they were in a tight group so it was easy to punch holes in shields on the first pass, then you hit auto slide spin around and launch a FF missile to seal the deal. Its not a question of guns its tactics.

Well that is true the arrow did rock and it was because of its awesome dog-fighting capabilities and the auto-slide which i confess that i have never actually used yet (cause my attempts at running WC3 on winXP are unsuccessful). The thunderbolt was great as well especially against corvettes - that was always the downside with the arrow). But anything except a hellcat - I really hate flying those and they truly suck in my opinion but on the whole even they are still more than a match for their kilrathi counterparts.

[Tolwyn]

I like Hellcats. Probably one of the few people who does

[Starman01]

I also like the hellcat very much. It looks very good and is well balanced (could have a few more missiles though)

[gevatter Lars]

I would prefere the Arrow or Thunderbold over the Hellcat. Normaly I prefer the well balanced designs but in this case I prefere the speed and agility of the Arrow or the raw power of the Thunderbold.

[Scooby_Doo]

I'd take a rapier 2 over a hellcat, but they no longer exist in wc3