[nostro_pl]

Yup, to win the Colossus have 2 be behind, under or over the Sathanas, but for example Orion doesn't have a chance against rear LRed placed on the juggernaut.

[Commander Zane]

Actually head-on the Lucifer's two LReds that replace its Super Shivan Lasers destroy an Orion in three salvos (As seen on Blue Planet), it would take six pulses from the Sathanas's rear cannon, the Orion would have a decent chance of destroying that cannon before it goes down.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Ideally, the Colossus will probably win in a broadside battle against the Sathanas.

[nostro_pl]

I agree. 

BTW it's shame that in FS_Open 3.6.9 there aren't a Lucifer's forward beams from FS 1 or FSPort (SSLBeam or something like that)

[Commander Zane]

Shivan Super Lasers. Since FreeSpace 2 came out they were swapped out with LReds. Table editing can give you them back.

[Stormkeeper]

Shivan Super Lasers. Since FreeSpace 2 came out they were swapped out with LReds. Table editing can give you them back.

In FS2 its SReds by default. Which turned into a very very very large and heavily armoured cruiser.

[Dilmah G]

Shivan Super Lasers. Since FreeSpace 2 came out they were swapped out with LReds. Table editing can give you them back.

In FS2 its SReds by default. Which turned into a very very very large and heavily armoured cruiser.

Unfortunately, if you replace them with the SLaser (no not the Spartan Laser... you play too much halo 3 hehe), the AI treats it like a laser turret (which is what it really is) and you suddenly have a mothe****ing unstoppable SOB crawling through the system, with constant pulses of 'Uber Ray' obliterating everything in it's path. So if you are willing to replace it, you have to lock that turret and use sexps only to fire it, or you are going to have to have some genius idea to beat that thing

[Commander Zane]

Shivan Super Lasers. Since FreeSpace 2 came out they were swapped out with LReds. Table editing can give you them back.

In FS2 its SReds by default. Which turned into a very very very large and heavily armoured cruiser.

Unfortunately, if you replace them with the SLaser (no not the Spartan Laser... you play too much halo 3 hehe), the AI treats it like a laser turret (which is what it really is) and you suddenly have a mothe****ing unstoppable SOB crawling through the system, with constant pulses of 'Uber Ray' obliterating everything in it's path. So if you are willing to replace it, you have to lock that turret and use sexps only to fire it, or you are going to have to have some genius idea to beat that thing

--Steve-O--'s Federal Fighters™ 

[nostro_pl]

In FSPort Shivan Super Laser on the forward 2 turrets of the Lucifer was replaced by SSLBeam. It's shame that SSLBeam isn't in 3.6.9 Open. Now, if we want to have beams similar (in damage) to this from FSPort, we have 2 replace it to LRed's

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Shivan Super Lasers are good at disabling and/or disarming stuff. Have you guys seen TSM-69? When I saved my first incarnation of it and tested it, the Lucifer's SSLs kept disarming the Colossus' portside beams.

On a side note, LReds are stronger than SSLs, although I think I've mentioned that before.

[Mobius]

Considering its size, firepower, and ability to house ships, would Battlecarrier be a good term for it?
In fact, any Destroyer in FreeSpace is a Battlecarrier when you look at their ability to destroy other warships with little support while having carrier capability.

Battlecarrier has never been used by ?

[Aardwolf]

Battlecarrier afaik has never been used by any real navies, and it is never used in canon FreeSpace. My Battlecarrier model was ... not originally intended for FreeSpace anyway.

Battlecruiser, although used in real navies (but not recently), is also not used in canon FreeSpace.

The GTVA Colossus was a warship. It's a broad category that encompasses all of these other stupid things, and definitely applies to the Colossus.

And I should remind anyone who thinks it should be called a juggernaut that a 'juggernaut' is basically tantamount to a steamroller. IIRC the name comes from the Latin transliteration of some Hindu altar-on-wheels contraption that was notorious for running people over.

[Dilmah G]

In the FS Universe, Destroyers have been kind of merged with Carriers, as Destroyers have a sizeable Fighter compliment

[AlphaOne]

Someone said before that the Collie can not take the Sath head on. Or rather it is useless unless the Sath if facing off by at least 90 degrees.

I believe you are correct . Bu then again why dont we try something out. Moving ALL of the Collies beam cannons to the front and have all of the what 10 or 12 beam cannons fire at the Sath. For that matter you might as well equip the forward part with Mjolnirs since they are the most powerfull beam cannon the GTVA has and the big C has more then enough room for lets say 8 or 9 ???

[Jeff Vader]

Bu then again why dont we try something out. Moving ALL of the Collies beam cannons to the front and have all of the what 10 or 12 beam cannons fire at the Sath.

Concidering the dialogue of High Noon, I'd speculate that with such a weapons layout the Collie could fire one decisive beam salvo before it melted into an unidentified puddle of metal and paint.

[AlphaOne]

Umm yeah forgot about that. Nevertheless hearing such a discussion in the said mission i was like WTF??? Build bigger heatsink's you fraking idiots. But such is the word of Volition and who are we to debate such things even if the said thing is at least idiotic to say the least.

All hail the campaign plot god's !




Hold up didn't the said reactor overheat happen because the Collie was using its beams overloaded for a very long period of time. If so using all of the overloaded for a much shorter time span in theory should cause no significant problems ? In fact such a thing wont even cause the severe damage the Collie sustained in that mission ! ?

[Dilmah G]

Umm yeah forgot about that. Nevertheless hearing such a discussion in the said mission i was like WTF??? Build bigger heatsink's you fraking idiots. But such is the word of Volition and who are we to debate such things even if the said thing is at least idiotic to say the least.

All hail the campaign plot god's !




Hold up didn't the said reactor overheat happen because the Collie was using its beams overloaded for a very long period of time. If so using all of the overloaded for a much shorter time span in theory should cause no significant problems ? In fact such a thing wont even cause the severe damage the Collie sustained in that mission ! ?

it would slowly start to wear down the beam cannons and stress the reactor much faster, meaning it would have to b replaced more often

[AlphaOne]

Hold up you are telling me that 13 overloaded beam cannons don't stand a chance against the 4 BF Red's of the Sath ???

I mean you have 6 Green's on the Collie and 7 Slasher beams (why in the name of all that is holy would you put slashers on a ship this size is beyond me logic doesn't even factor here its been tossed out the window a long time ago ) .

So as far as i know the Green's can be overloaded to fire either LRBgreens so as to take the fight to the Sath or BF-Green which  is basically the same thing with shorter range .

I don't know abut the slashers but i assume they can be overloaded to.

So all these beams wont cut it for the Collie ???

i mean you have a total damage potential per pulse from the Green's alone (overloaded of course) of about 250.800 points of damage !

Add to this 80.850 points of damage in 30 secs which is about the recharge time for the BF-Green is I'm not mistaken .

So we have here a grand total of 331650 points of damage every 30 seconds. So in less the 1 minute and about 40 seconds the Sath should be history.

In the mean time the Sath has about 320k points of damage to bout per pulse every 10 seconds correct ??

Assuming and this is a huge assumption the Sath can somehow manage to keep its 4 beam's intact ...err...wait a sec...that would mean it would take the Sath about 1 minute to finish off the Collie!

Damn never mind i think i just answered my own question if I'm correct . Damn that huge sustained fire rate !

In that case the Mjolnir would in theory prove a much more usefull solution as it is much more powerfull. Having at least 7 of those should make up for this wouldn't it ???

[Droid803]

7 Mjolnirs?
7 x 1500 sustained = 10500

4 BFreds?
4 x 4756 sustained = 19024

Both of the beams pratically fire non-stop, so sustained is a good measure for them.
The BFreds still have the advantage.
Now, thirteen Mjolnirs are required to beat the Sath's primary BFRed firepower. Certainly, the Colly does have 13 beams, but it can only ever bring 5 or 6 of them to bear. Not to mention that MjolnirBeams only have half the targeting range.
And yes, this is all assuming that al the beams remain intact, which probably will, as beams rarely target the tips of spikes like that.

[AlphaOne]

Hey wait thats not true I remember the Collie opening fire at least 3 times on the tip's of the Sath's arms  during the mission with the first Sath when it's taken down.


Also ...WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY TO A HLP'er and FS FAN are the god damn GTVA beam cannon's so god damn useless, weak , good for nothing pieces of frak....!!!!!

*alphaone  has had too much cofeene this morning so now hes going to go cool of a bit *

Sorry its the math that drives me like this . And those good for nothin' beams  !