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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: jdjtcagle on January 18, 2008, 08:14:58 am
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Just wandering how many people out there play this game? I have a 70 Night Elf Hunter on Ysondre.
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May the God of MMOs have mercy on your soul.
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I play GuildWars... cheaper, better, less grind, more play skill involved. Thank you for your time :P
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What!? I didn't post this! That's my brother's game! I'm embarrassed by this I HATE WOW! :lol: :mad:
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Play Shadowbane instead :yes:
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May the God of MMOs have mercy on your soul.
You should know better than that... people who play WOW no longer have souls.
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That IS true... sorry bro... :D
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I'm on Hellgate
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Hellgate though is even worse than WoW.
WoW steals your soul, but at least it's transferred somewhere.
Thinking that Hellgate is even fun let alone worth spending money on means you had no soul to begin with.
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WoW's genre is the cancer of gaming.
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I know of people at this college who have flunked out due to obsessively playing that game.
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WoW is the main cause of obesity on earth. My friend bought it for his new laptop, and his GF payed his brother to delete his account.
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I tried WoW for a couple of days. I thought it was neat, but not worth paying for (and I didn't). And I really don't understand how some people prefer it over sex. Weren't there a video of around of some dude who got caught jerking off to WoW...? :ick:
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MMO's are overrated pieces of junk IMHO.
I love multiplayer games, but not MMO's.
Gimme UT, CS, C&C3 or Allegiance any day. Log-on, have a fun for an hour or two, log-out. Not the senseless grinding and items hunting. Pfft.
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I agree with TrashMan. MMOs always bring out the worst in people, scamming, etc.
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Yeah. My friends always get hooked for months. I have one who downloaded 3 a day for a month - no exaggeration - and wondered how he got viruses.
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I have two things to say about this:
1. Buy a Mac if you torrent a lot. Even though it takes a bit longer to do, trust me, it's worth having a foolproof virus screen.
2. Executing WoW players is considered merciful when compared to the horrors of actually allowing them to continue playing.
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1. Buy a Mac if you torrent a lot. Even though it takes a bit longer to do, trust me, it's worth having a foolproof virus screen.
/facepalm
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I have two things to say about this:
1. Buy a Mac if you torrent a lot. Even though it takes a bit longer to do, trust me, it's worth having a foolproof virus screen.
Lmfao.
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I always wanted to try W0W, but im glad I read this. Now I will never pick it up :yes:
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We have saved yet another.
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I tried WoW for a couple of days. I thought it was neat, but not worth paying for (and I didn't). And I really don't understand how some people prefer it over sex. Weren't there a video of around of some dude who got caught jerking off to WoW...? :ick:
Cyber means nothing to you, I take it.
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We have saved yet another.
this thread should be sticky to help get the word out
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(http://www.savant-online.net/graphics/alatok_flyer.jpg)
Don't listen to them Alatok, all of the hours... nay days... wasted on 'phat purplez' and 'epic mountage' was not for nothing! Really... it wasn't... *sob*
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Yes...you so unique with you funky "colors of the rainbow" character with disco ball shoulder pads. Yes, very unique..just like the other million players.
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060208
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...disco ball shoulder pads...
Those really do look ridiculous ya know... :wtf:
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(http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/1/22/haiwowgamec128454957129375000.jpg)
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That basically sums it up if you ask me.
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70 Warlock - Magtheridon Server. and Alliance sucks. no offence ;7
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Heavens forbid! A WoW Player!
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*casts Greater Excosrcism*
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And you spent how long getting to level 70?
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I agree with TrashMan. MMOs always bring out the worst in people, scamming, etc.
Hating to be repetitive... but clearly you never played Guild Wars :P
You can get to max level pretty fast (about 1 week for a novice player, my record is 3 days :D ), after that is just pure fun, no grind.
Of course you have the option to grind for stuff, but you dont really need it, and there are better things to do than that IMO.
Also, on PvP, you can already start as a max level, max equipment character. Only thing you have to do in that case is unlock skills (which is rather fast as well).
Guild Wars: no grind, great scotch :D
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...damn! I knew Guild Wars was good but not THAT good. I might play it from time to time then.
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Send me a whisp if your looking for a guild :D
IGN: Freya Av Folkvang
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I think a Muh-Mor-Pe-Guh could be good if done the right way. That being said, I've never seen one done the right way.
- Permanant death
- Quick leveling
- Ability to create custom characters (after screening, of course)
- Ability to create custom classes (after screening, of course)
- Fewer (but better) quests
- Non-abusive admins that actually do their $%#$ing jobs
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Permanent death in an mmorpg is quite possibly the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Good luck selling that to customers.
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Quick leveling is already present in MMOs.
As for the quests, I partially agree. If their fewer theres not much point in being an MMO is there? I do agree however that their quality level should increase... their just so unoriginal and repetitive at the moment (go there, kill that\take item there, get reward).
Perm death im with Dragonclaw. Unless of course it would be a separate game type.
Custom characters\classes. Again agreed, having the option of having lots and lots of combinations possible is cool. GW does it to a certain point, where you can have classes at once in your character. Building is really cool.
Dunno whats that about the admins. I never felt the need for one where I play.
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As for the quests, I partially agree. If their fewer theres not much point in being an MMO is there? I do agree however that their quality level should increase... their just so unoriginal and repetitive at the moment (go there, kill that\take item there, get reward).
LIFE is the same thing over and over again!
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But fortunatly, were talking about a game, which is not trying to simulate LIFE :P
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...damn! I knew Guild Wars was good but not THAT good. I might play it from time to time then.
Possibly because it all sounds a lot better on paper...but hey...
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I played Guild Wars and didn't really like the game. I gave the game to my cousins and they loved it. It just wasn't my style.
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I supose many people might dislike it. Heck I've known some players who were looking for grind so they left for WoW :P
Still for me nothing beats the nice team coordinations you can have on GW. Good players win there, not kids without a life :D
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I supose many people might dislike it. Heck I've known some players who were looking for grind so they left for WoW :P
Still for me nothing beats the nice team coordinations you can have on GW. Good players win there, not kids without a life :D
God forbid, they got their grind fix in WoW.
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I supose many people might dislike it. Heck I've known some players who were looking for grind so they left for WoW :P
Still for me nothing beats the nice team coordinations you can have on GW. Good players win there, not kids without a life :D
Huzzah for Guild Wars and it's many forms of PvP! I only tend to play alliance battles or Heroes Ascent matches of course, but it's nice to have other options.
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ahAH! Another blessed one! Anything but Random Arenas for me
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meh, guild wars is nice and all, but i never really got in to the pvp, more to the missions. i also play wow. but i do have a life, outside wow
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1. Buy a Mac if you torrent a lot. Even though it takes a bit longer to do, trust me, it's worth having a foolproof virus screen.
/facepalm
Allow me to rephrase.
Don't throw away your old mac if you have one; use it to torrent. If you know what to look for, you can spot if what you downloaded is virus'ed, crap, or the real deal. The right software can help, too...
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Or simply just download the torrents from sites that have commenting. There will be bazillion "FAKEFAKEFAKE" and "VIRUSSIS!!!11" notes on bad torrents... And there are a lot of bad torrents...
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You can always scan the files for viruses after torrenting them. Otherwise, download it into a virtual machine.
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Or dual-boot Linux. :D
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Or run it past a Cisco router ;7
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Or torrent with a mac :nod:
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Or use a machine using the PowerPC architecture :P
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I supose many people might dislike it. Heck I've known some players who were looking for grind so they left for WoW :P
Still for me nothing beats the nice team coordinations you can have on GW. Good players win there, not kids without a life :D
God forbid, they got their grind fix in WoW.
Grinding in WoW is not that big issue. You have tons of quests to accomplish, you just need to travel a lot. If you run out of quests before a level up, you can go to another place with monsters of the same level range, and continue playing there.
You don't know the meaning of grinding until you start playing Silkroad Online and reach, let's say, level 30. Without a bot or powerleveling! Trust me. WoW is amazingly dynamic and fun after nearly two years wasted grinding in Silkroad.
And here are some notes to those who think playing WoW means the end of world:
Only the extreme cases of addiction are mentioned, and they are mentioned because WoW is played by so many people that statistically, it is impossible that some out of millions suffers from an extreme case of game addiction. And why is it that we hear about these stories? Because it is no big deal if someone has, let's say, three level 70 characters in WoW, and has all what one needs in real life - a girlfriend/wife, a well-paying work, etc. No one hears about these people, because the media - tabloid papers or news agencies - cannot write about them because "they do nothing special" and they can only sell what is "special."
I have not read too many articles discussing WoW from this perspective, but those I read elevated the effects of addiction and generalized very much, saying that everyone playing WoW will end up with this and that illness/disorder/social problems etc. The kind of thing you are doing. Another reason we read/hear about WoW addiction stories is simply because WoW is by far the most known and widely played MMORPGs. Do you think that there are fewer addicted players to let's say, Silkroad Online than to WoW (in proportions)? I used to play SRO and play a bit of WoW nowadays, and I saw more addicts on SRO than I do on WoW. Silkroad is not mentioned anywhere because it is by far less known.
By this, I would like to suggest the biasedness (<-- is this a word?) of the media and Blizzard's popularity. If you are journalist who despises online gaming, you would rather talk about game addicts, not new developments in industrial technologies. There you go. I don't think why people generalize so badly based on some (even if extreme) cases. It is as much saying as seeing a drunkard on the streets means that if anyone drinks a glass of beer will become a drunkard. I know that this beer-WoW comparison is not the best, but the point is that people sometimes generalize based on one or two cases *despite* common sense.
I don't know if you have ever wondered if anyone lost his job/wife/car/house because of addiction to FreeSpace. It is not talked about because FS is by far less common than WoW.
Let's assume we have two serious game addicts. The first guy is an addict of WoW. The second is an addict of FreeSpace. They both spend 48 hours in front of their monitors, playing their favorite games. In the 49th hour, they fall out of their chair and die. In the first case, we have an article that sums up like this: "A serious game addict died again while playing a game. And guess what, it was World of Warcraft!" The FreeSpace guy, however, is more likely to get this: "Game addiction has once again killed someone." FreeSpace is just "some kind of space simulator game," so it will never get mentioned by title, *if* it ever gets reported.
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Well, RoadSilk or not (never heard of it to be honest), WoW is still a grindfest. A players sole purpose in that game is to simply level up your character. After you have max level theres not much to do. Also, as far as im concerned, leveling like that is boring, time consuming, and thus not acceptable for a game I play.
Obviously theres lots of people who enjoy it, but I dont.
I'd much rather play a game where the leveling part is just the beginning of it, that is 5% of the game. The rest is skill based (player skill, not characters'), not level based.
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Media aside, WOW just plain sucks...
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Lol true
Also, theres another factor I forgot to mention: money
The idea of paying monthly in order to play a game is ridiculous. I might be a casual player, who only plays 5 hours a week, and Im paying the same as the hardcore guy next to me.
Also, blizzard can kiss my ass and come with their "your paying for server maintenance and regular updates" cock and bull story, and I wont buy it.
I dont play fees, and I have my server maintenance (in fact I dont have half the problems of the WoW players I know) AND I have my regular updates. For the bigger updates I can buy my access to them or not... just in the same way the WoW players pay for their expansions.
Oh and of course the anti-blizzard sentiment... sorry but nowadays they are a company just like EA: hollow, uncreative
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I wonder how many people here who hate WoW have actually played it...
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*raises hand*
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I played WoW for about 6 months. It's actually fairly fun until you get a character to lvl 60 (I never got the expansion). Then it just gets repetitive, as you can only go to the same places over and over again. What was really entertaining for me was the ability to see the "world" of WarCraft from the eyes of a guy on the ground, instead of the God's eye view in the strategy games. Plus, I like to explore and just poke around the environment.
Also, I know that many people say that the monthly fees are expensive. I actually crunched the numbers of playing 1 month of WoW versus renting a PS2 game every week for 4 weeks. Renting the PS2 game comes to about $25 per month, plus tax. Playing WoW for a month on the most expensive pay plan is $15 per month, plus tax. So that I could play WoW, I stopped renting games. (It was a slow time for good console releases anyways.) I actually ended up saving about $10 per month.
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The problem is that you have the option of buying a PS2 game rather than renting. You are required to pay monthly in WoW, so the year plan of roughly 150$ if I'm not mistaken is about the price of ****ing Rock Band.
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I wonder how many people here who hate WoW have actually played it...
My best experiences in that game can be summed up by destroying both it and a crappy microwave at the same time for the Emperor Palpatine lightning effect.
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I wonder how many people here who hate WoW have actually played it...
Actually I have, although I never bought an account. However like I mentioned I know some people who play WoW, so I was able to play some hours of it trough those guys accounts, when they were on "player recruit drives" :P
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...A players sole purpose in that game is to simply level up your character. After you have max level theres not much to do...
Actually, WoW starts after you have leveled your character to max. Then you can max out your professions, help your guildmates with their quests, play the Battlegrounds, visit instances and collect the best possible equipment, defend your capital from the other factions' attacks. The list can go nearly indefinitely.
Most of my level 70 characters like doing all that I listed.
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I've heard that one before as well, so ok fair enough...
In that case it gets even worse... because in that case its the same as in a fast lvl up MMO... only the game only starts after what? 2 weeks of play? 3? 1 Month? I clearly have no idea of how long it took you to get just one of those characters to level 70. As oposed to few hours of play in a non grind MMO...
That makes WoW even worse in my eyes.
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Looking at how half of the BWO team plays or has played WoW I'm getting uncertain about how good the campaign will be... :nervous:
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I did play WoW, and for god's sake, I TRIED to like it with all my heart, but the extremely repetive gameplay and the (normally that's no matter for me, but combined with the prior) antiquated graphics got me off every 30-40 minutes. I heard WotLK is going to add more player controlled- and created content, but for me, WoW already died.
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Looking at how half of the BWO team plays or has played WoW I'm getting uncertain about how good the campaign will be... :nervous:
Yes we did play... but only a little. Just enough to study what makes a bad game :D
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Also, blizzard can kiss my ass and come with their "your paying for server maintenance and regular updates" cock and bull story, and I wont buy it.
I dont play fees, and I have my server maintenance (in fact I dont have half the problems of the WoW players I know) AND I have my regular updates. For the bigger updates I can buy my access to them or not... just in the same way the WoW players pay for their expansions.
Blizzard actually does that? Damn, that's pretty crappy.
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Looking at how half of the BWO team plays or has played WoW I'm getting uncertain about how good the campaign will be... :nervous:
You have to grind 21000 rep to become exalted with the Sol Coalition of Planets faction, run Lower Jovian Spaceyards for a rare drop from a rare ship for the subspace motivator (part 1 of 1200) in order to complete part of the Charon attunement quest.
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Not to mention you have to do Golgothas dungeon in order to get the rare Erynies stead.
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:shaking: :wtf: *runs*
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I've heard that one before as well, so ok fair enough...
In that case it gets even worse... because in that case its the same as in a fast lvl up MMO... only the game only starts after what? 2 weeks of play? 3? 1 Month?...
It depends on how much time you spend playing a day. Most of my guildmates reached the level cap in a month, and none of them played 24/7. If you spend like 4-5 hours a day leveling (which does not only mean grinding!), that is a reasonable achievement. That's no that much time. As for MMOs where you reach the level cap after some hours or days... that's simply not a challenge.
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On the contrary... its not a challenge getting to the high level granted... after that is when the game really starts. Only you dont spend a month starting the game (assuming of course you play those 4-5 hours a day).
And really... tell me wheres the challenge in grinding or doing simpleton quests? And wheres the challenge of the PvP ive seen in WoW where people basically are spamming skills and hope they have a better skillset? The only challenge I can see in WoW is a challenge to ones patience.
On the fast levelling MMOs the challenge lies in doing the elite stuff (talking of both pve and pvp here), which requires skill over character level. And yes, PvE on those games is a challenge.
I can consider myself a pretty seasoned Guild Wars player, I have 9 level 20 characters (which is the max level there), and when I had time to play games, I leveled my characters in about 30\ hours... 3-4 days. And those were the boring ones: doing the missions I already knew, hearing the same story again, etc.
Being able to level them fast allowed me to try out the various play styles there is in the game, learn them to the point of perfection (I havent reached that point, but its the goal), try various team builds, various tactics etc etc. All this in PvE.
And guess what, I play that game for 2 and a half years now, half of those I played about 10 hours a day. Im a good player skill wise, and there are still areas that me and my regular group cant complete... and it isnt because of our level, but because of our play skill. 2 and half years later, with fast levelling, and I havent ran out of things to do in the game.
That is the real challenge those games have to offer, and they dont need to hide their lack of content (and I mean worthy content) behind a slow character progression.
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Why would you play any video game for 4-5 hours a day?
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How could you play any game for 4-5 hours a day? Do you not have job or school, or do you just stay up THAT late? :wtf:
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Why would you play any video game for 4-5 hours a day?
Normally, because it's good. That is not the case for anything I've seen mentioned here yet.
4-5 hours is reasonable for, say, EVE, because you don't have to pay 100% attention to it at all times. 's not the case with most MMOs.
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How could you play any game for 4-5 hours a day? Do you not have job or school, or do you just stay up THAT late? :wtf:
From my part, Im taking design at the university. I work on projects about 8-9 hours a day, and play 1 hour a day... I sleep about 6 hours a night :P
However there was a time I didnt have to spend time on school projects so I manage to play alot (and I mewan ALOT) of hours a day. Good old times :D
Normally, because it's good. That is not the case for anything I've seen mentioned here yet.
4-5 hours is reasonable for, say, EVE, because you don't have to pay 100% attention to it at all times. 's not the case with most MMOs.
Unfortunatly I cant say I played EVE... mostly because it suffers from the syndrome "pay to play" from what Ive read.
However your wrong that you have to pay full attention on all MMO's. Many times Im playing while at the same time browsing the internet, doing sketches, etc.
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...And wheres the challenge of the PvP ive seen in WoW where people basically are spamming skills and hope they have a better skillset?...
WoW PvP is very skill dependent. Not "skill" like "character ability," but "skill" like dexterity and knowing your class, your opponent's class, and being able to exploit his mistakes, or use your skillset creatively.
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Oh yes, I've seen teh "epic" mage battles..
*counterspell*
*counterspell*
*death combo 1*
EPIC WIN.
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...And wheres the challenge of the PvP ive seen in WoW where people basically are spamming skills and hope they have a better skillset?...
WoW PvP is very skill dependent. Not "skill" like "character ability," but "skill" like dexterity and knowing your class, your opponent's class, and being able to exploit his mistakes, or use your skillset creatively.
Especially with the skill (and this time the "character ability" type) unbalancing issues I hear WoW players moan about all the time...
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Those must be players who have not bothered to learn to use their classes' potentials.
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Lol true
Also, theres another factor I forgot to mention: money
The idea of paying monthly in order to play a game is ridiculous. I might be a casual player, who only plays 5 hours a week, and Im paying the same as the hardcore guy next to me.
Also, blizzard can kiss my ass and come with their "your paying for server maintenance and regular updates" cock and bull story, and I wont buy it.
I dont play fees, and I have my server maintenance (in fact I dont have half the problems of the WoW players I know) AND I have my regular updates. For the bigger updates I can buy my access to them or not... just in the same way the WoW players pay for their expansions.
Oh and of course the anti-blizzard sentiment... sorry but nowadays they are a company just like EA: hollow, uncreative
I'm with you all the way on this one, though I should point out that the lead designer for World of Warcraft left Blizzard shortly before it's release (along with other Blizzard staff members) to form ArenaNet and thus Guild Wars. Essentially they decided they could do better. I think they've succeeded.
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Those must be players who have not bothered to learn to use their classes' potentials.
C'mon. Rogues sneak up on everybody, do one-to-two hit kills and always keep talking HOW INCREDIBLY UBER MEGA 1337 they are.
Paladins always keep moaning because everybody hates them and are a priest's and a warrior's bastar child.
Hunters, well, there aren't any hunters, they are all bots anyway and have exceptional talent for wiping the party.
Warriors are dumber then a piece of flying **** and are good for nothing then standing still and let bosses beat squaremeter big holes into them.
Priests are, in fact, only good as healer, and if you don't treat them very very nice, they won't heal you. They also moan because they don't do any damage.
Magi do so incredibly high damage that just any idiot can stun somebody and a mage will hit it for over 10k damage. They are also famous for spamming Arcane Explosion and other instant AoE spells.
In a nutshell, the game does not encourage team play, it enforces it, because if you are alone, you don't have a flocking chance.
As for me, I was actually gold. My lvl 70 Night Elf warrior had the T6 Armor set, Twin Blades of Azzinoth and a shield I dont remember. The parts that weren't covered by T6 were covered by T3. I spent incredibly much hours on this, and now I seriously hate me for wasting all that time. BTP: Even if you have all this equipment, your warrior is essentially STILL only a tank. And looking heavy armored and nice just = to having more ****ing beggars on you.
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That basically kills my future interest in even trying to care about playing WoW.
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Those must be players who have not bothered to learn to use their classes' potentials.
C'mon. Rogues sneak up on everybody, do one-to-two hit kills and always keep talking HOW INCREDIBLY UBER MEGA 1337 they are.
Paladins always keep moaning because everybody hates them and are a priest's and a warrior's bastar child.
Hunters, well, there aren't any hunters, they are all bots anyway and have exceptional talent for wiping the party.
Warriors are dumber then a piece of flying **** and are good for nothing then standing still and let bosses beat squaremeter big holes into them.
Priests are, in fact, only good as healer, and if you don't treat them very very nice, they won't heal you. They also moan because they don't do any damage.
Magi do so incredibly high damage that just any idiot can stun somebody and a mage will hit it for over 10k damage. They are also famous for spamming Arcane Explosion and other instant AoE spells.
In a nutshell, the game does not encourage team play, it enforces it, because if you are alone, you don't have a flocking chance.
As for me, I was actually gold. My lvl 70 Night Elf warrior had the T6 Armor set, Twin Blades of Azzinoth and a shield I dont remember. The parts that weren't covered by T6 were covered by T3. I spent incredibly much hours on this, and now I seriously hate me for wasting all that time. BTP: Even if you have all this equipment, your warrior is essentially STILL only a tank. And looking heavy armored and nice just = to having more ****ing beggars on you.
I agree on the Rogue part, but not on the others.
Magi have very low HP, so a well-timed Fear, Stun, or Interrupt will mean their doom.
Paladins do not deal that much damage, and while they are bubbled, they cannot attack, and that does not even defend them from Magical attacks (so I hear, I don't know since I'm a Hunter)
Since Priests deal low damage, they are dependent on their abilities to heal themselves, so it does take some skill to play as a Priest.
If a Warrior is dumb, it is not because of the class's weakness, but the players who play it. Warriors require skill and experience to play as, since the whole Rage thing makes you reconsider which skills to use, when, and against who.
You didn't even mention Warlocks, perhaps because you know your "WoW requires no skill whatsoever" argument has no leg to stand on in regards of Warlocks. Warlocks are perhaps the hardest to play. They have a lot of spells, each good under certain circumstances. We also have to consider Warlocks' pets. They also have to control a pet at the same time they control their own character. As a Hunter, I know how difficult it can get, especially when someone catches you by surprise in world PvP. Not only do you have to remain calm and use spells and special attacks that fit the situation - instead of pressing keys like mad, hoping you will deal more damage and take less - but you also have to manage your pet.
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Warlocks can pwn almost everyone if they know how to play it right. On my lock i just dot, dot, dot, fear, deathcoil. drop him. use my felguard pwn them even more ;7
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I'm with you all the way on this one, though I should point out that the lead designer for World of Warcraft left Blizzard shortly before it's release (along with other Blizzard staff members) to form ArenaNet and thus Guild Wars. Essentially they decided they could do better. I think they've succeeded.
Yes indeed. In fact they left and split. Some formed Arenanet (Guildwars), and Flagship Studios (Hellgate).... Both of them succeeded in making better games than WoW.
Honestly, only thing that keeps giving all that money to Blizzard is their name, and the hard work done by those folks who left. Blizzard doesnt have any kind of creativity nowadays (just look at tehir most recent games, ripping off other game's features, sometimes indeeed improving them a bit... they do have the cash to allow that after all). Buying and playing Blizzard games nowadays is like supporting EA, as far as im concerned.
As far as WoW's classes, I really can't say anything since I didnt play it enough to be acquainted to them. However, what I've read about the Rogues and Warlocks power level is exactly what my friends told me before.
As for the other classes, guess that they are more prone to getting bad players, happens in every MMO to be honest (kiddies going warriors, etc).
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Warlocks can pwn almost everyone if they know how to play it right. On my lock i just dot, dot, dot, fear, deathcoil. drop him. use my felguard pwn them even more ;7
See? This proves of absolute leet skill involved playing WoW [no offence on depth charge though]
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TopAce, you kind of failed to refute his main point.
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The one that theres cross class balance issues? Yeah noticed that myself.
But anyways, im not overly worried about it. Ive tried WoW for a couple of hours, and played Guild Wars for TONS of hours. Means that although im not too versed as far as WoW is concerned, but I did try it and grasped the fundamentals of its gameplay... which were rather poor and unoriginal, flawed, boring.
The facts are that I know alot of GW players who are ex WoW players (can you figure why they changed?) and will never touch WoW again. I also know some ex GW players who changed to WoW... guess what they were all 15\16 year old kids without a life (no offense to those by the way :P ).
As long as he keeps convincing himself that WoW is "da ****s" he wont even bother trying the others... but in the end hes the one paying X dollars a month to play an unbalanced grindfest, and Im the one who doesnt spend a penny playing a more stable, balanced and player skill dependant game.
And also im not paying a penny for an entirely new gameplay system, instead of another Ultima Online clone.
So in conclusion:
Im happy
Hes happy
We're all happy
Ta Ta :P
P.S. oh if u care to try something else, I believe Arenanet is still giving away 2 week trial keys of Guild Wars, and your free to contact me in game if you try it out (left my IGN earlier in the topic).
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TopAce, you kind of failed to refute his main point.
What main point?
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The one that theres cross class balance issues?
That one I believe
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Yes indeed. In fact they left and split. Some formed Arenanet (Guildwars), and Flagship Studios (Hellgate).... Both of them succeeded in making better games than WoW.
now how's hellgate is better than WoW? played hellgate for a bit and the whole game just so damn boring, but maybe i do find playing futuristic London that was attacked by demons little boring.
Honestly, only thing that keeps giving all that money to Blizzard is their name, and the hard work done by those folks who left. Blizzard doesnt have any kind of creativity nowadays
Well Arenanet and flagship studios aren't very creative either hellgate is an diablo clone in future and Guildwars is like well all MMO's but is free.
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WoW isn't alone in this, I play Eve online from time to time, though I'm not hardcore, one can only click target, shoot, target, shoot so many times in battle, and one can only stare at yellow mining beams going 'Whhhoooommm' into rocks for so long...
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Never played Hellgate so cant say how good it is from my part.
As for GuildWars, yes its an MMO (duh), but its not the point. EVE is an MMO too does it make it unoriginal?
Guildwars is original due to the different gameplay that it offers you in an MMO (single player games already have some if not all of GW's main features) : characters are composed of two classes (more diversity... and lots of it), you can only take 8 skills at a time, you dont have to level up in order to play PvP (you can create an already max level, max equip character just for pvp... you unlock skills and weapon mods trough playing in PvP), among others...
So yes, GuildWars is an original MMO
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Well, in Eve's case, it openly plays homage to Elite, but the depth of it is incredible, that's it's main redeeming feature, the downside is that getting out of the shallows and into the 'real' stuff like PCorp owned stations, research, design etc, like Warcraft, can almost exclusively only be performed by groups of people as a corporation. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, the market would be flooded with T2 Blueprints and faction Battleships if it were too freely available, but it does make the game extremely daunting to a newer player, and even to some older ones.
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How is Eve? Is it worth 10-15$ a month?
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It is really down to personal taste, I was playing it a lot at first, but once the novelty had worn off, like most games, I found myself playing it less and less to the point where I cancelled my account for about 4 months because I was never playing it. Returned recently and it's interesting again, but there's still the same 'grind' factor as most other MMOs.
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that's why I'd rather play a good RTS or FPS.
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TopAce, you kind of failed to refute his main point.
What main point?
Actually it looked to me like the point was it was unplayable solo.
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Oh that one
Its a tricky one though... its an MMO after all, so its supposed to be a teamplay game isnt it?
In GW you have free NPCs in any town, who can come with you if you dont feel like getting a group :P
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It's a pity the mercs aren't especially useful. I suppose they're better than being alone though.
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Actually it looked to me like the point was it was unplayable solo.
I haven't even given that a thought, I mean, refuting this argument. I could, by saying that "Oh, I am happy playing solo," evem if I do realize it is much easier in duos or groups. You must also realize that not only WoW is like that. Playing in groups is naturally much easier than cruising around on your own.
I'm getting tired of this anyway. I will never be able to convince you to continue/start playing WoW. You have your opinion about it, based on experience. No argument can override that. I have my own experience about WoW, too; and no outsider's opinion can convince me to give up on WoW right away.
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It's a pity the mercs aren't especially useful. I suppose they're better than being alone though.
Awh really? :P
I think quite the contrary, their much more usefull than 99% of the PuGs I get. You just have to know how to control them right :)
I'm getting tired of this anyway. I will never be able to convince you to continue/start playing WoW. You have your opinion about it, based on experience. No argument can override that. I have my own experience about WoW, too; and no outsider's opinion can convince me to give up on WoW right away.
You have experience in WoW indeed.
But IMHO, the fact that you dont have any experience on more "modern" MMOs (in the sense of gameplay), doesnt facilitate your comparative opinion forming. But thats just my opinion.
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Huh? I usually ended up playing with my friends in Guild Wars regardless. That's why I don't really use the mercs.
Haha, you certainly have your own opinion. It's a tad bit mean though.
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Huh? I usually ended up playing with my friends in Guild Wars regardless. That's why I don't really use the mercs.
I do play with friends as well, but their not always around (we're all very busy people :P). And given their absence, Ill pick Hench over humans anytime :P
Haha, you certainly have your own opinion. It's a tad bit mean though.
Its not mean. Im simply using the same argument that someone else made earlier in this thread.
I wonder how many people here who hate WoW have actually played it...
So in turn just I asked: How many WoW lovers actually played the competing games?
Works both ways ya see ;)
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Its not mean. Im simply using the same argument that someone else made earlier in this thread.
No worries, I don't mind it at all.
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I thought that referred to my way of phrasing my opinion. :P