[Droid803]

I know it was designed for big anti-cap non-beam weapons, but you never mentioned if it was on a per-weapon basis (I simply assumed it wasn't for the sake of effect). Thank you for your answer, but there was nothing to "pay attention" to. Relax...

[General Battuta]

Er, yes there was:

You should note that impact, flash and piercing effect sizes are fixed per-weapon, they do not scale depending on whatever is on receiving end.

Though it's worth noting they can be disabled for small ships now.

Anyway, no offense intended.

[General Battuta]

Er, and to clear up a misunderstanding, it was actually designed for big anti-cap beam weapons, then generalized to all weapons (including big anti-cap non-beam weapons.)

[Droid803]

Ergh, sorry. I missed that as it was a page back and before the "all weapons" thing. Turning it off per-weapon wouldn't really be necessary for beams (barring Anti-fighter beams, but those punch through stuff near-death anyway, and if it scaled there wouldn't even be a problem with fighters, but I digress.)

Disabling for small ships is nice. The more control we get over the effect the better

[Fury]

3.6.11 build 5832 supports hull piercing effects in primaries other than beams. The blob itself does not appear from other side of the hull, but explosions occur as usual.

I have applied these effects to ALL FS2 and BP primaries and the end result is quite snazzy. It is quite awesome to see small explosions coming out on the other side of enemy fighter. Large UEF mass drivers really seem powerful when their hits are accompanied by huge burst of flames on the other side of their unfortunate target. These explosions only occur when target is below 10% hull.

Unfortunately these effects do not work on secondaries in build 5832, but Wanderer has already fixed this. Once the next Windows nightly is out, I'll be sure to include secondaries in the happy family of hull piercers.

Also, you may want to replace Exp04 with ExpMissileHit1 in beams-wep.tbm. While it lacks debris, it is overall a better explosion for this effect.

[General Battuta]

The MediaVPs might consider coming up with a custom explosion effect for this, rather than using one of the existing explosions.

Also, I believe the synced explosions problem was fixed?

[Thaeris]

Speaking of other fun effects, Komet's Japanese localization mod was supposed to have hull sparking upon weapons impact as well as a few shield-hit affects as well. Will these similarly get into the MediaVPs? Damage effects are fun... 

[-Norbert-]

Unfortunately these effects do not work on secondaries in build 5832, but Wanderer has already fixed this. Once the next Windows nightly is out, I'll be sure to include secondaries in the happy family of hull piercers.

I don't think that's a good idea. Missiles usually explode on impact, thus they really shouldn't have explosions on the other side of the ships. Unless of course you add a ballistic cannon that can be equiped into the secondary banks (Dawn of Sol had one such weapon.... can't remember the name though... something starting with S).

The blob itself does not appear from other side of the hull, but explosions occur as usual.

Is that also the case for Railguns? As far as I understand it, in terms of gamemechanics Railguns are "just" blob turrets. Because I'd really like to see those weaopns punching through ships and coming out on the other side.

[General Battuta]

Missiles definitely create explosion plumes in real life. Warheads are generally directional.

In any case, again, the plume can be set on a per-weapon basis.

[MatthTheGeek]

I have applied these effects to ALL FS2 and BP primaries and the end result is quite snazzy. It is quite awesome to see small explosions coming out on the other side of enemy fighter. Large UEF mass drivers really seem powerful when their hits are accompanied by huge burst of flames on the other side of their unfortunate target. These explosions only occur when target is below 10% hull.

Could you give us the tbm for all FS2 primaries please ? It will avoid for everyone wanting to see that to loose time manually copypasting and renaming all this stuff.

[Fury]

I'll consider that once next nightly is out and I have secondaries finished. Though it slightly bothers me that if I do that, it's one less "new and awesome feature" in BP.

[Vidmaster]

It looks a bit silly with a ship that small and that many beams but I guess that's for testing purposes.

Will that effect be implemented into the standard MediaVPs as well?

DEMANDING DEMANDING DEMANDING!!!

[Felix 039]

Do you mean we get to see a "hole punch" effect on ships?

[Zacam]

FSU will be releasing an interim tbm for use with the MediaVPs as soon as numbers get solidified.

It won't be officially support on 3.6.10 (and will require a Nightly Build to use) but it will be standard in the next MediaVP release.

[-Norbert-]

Missiles definitely create explosion plumes in real life. Warheads are generally directional.

But strong enough to punch through a destroyer? As you said yourself it's on a per-weapon basis. So while it may look great against cruisers it would look rather odd on the biggies, or if a missle hits the front or rear of a ship and produces a secondary explosion hundreds of meters away on the other end of the ship.

[Galemp]

Fantastic. I'm also in the 'reduce the size of the exit plume' camp--it's augmenting the existing effect, not a total replacement, so should be seriously toned down.

The slash effect is amazing! Someone could whip up a custom effect for that with a red glow of molten metal that fades slowly.

Since it's a particle effect, how does this work on moving targets?

[Fury]

Fantastic. I'm also in the 'reduce the size of the exit plume' camp--it's augmenting the existing effect, not a total replacement, so should be seriously toned down.

Since build 5832 it's possible to control the effect via velocity modifier.

Since it's a particle effect, how does this work on moving targets?

Not well, hence it's disabled for AAA beams in BP tables.

[Fury]

These screenshots show further tweaked beam effects using standard MV_Effects assets.

[Galemp]

Can you shorten the plume to about 40% of its current length, and show us?

[High Max]

;-)