[Singh]

Freespace 2 is about you playing a mute witness to the horrors that unfold against humanity, as well as witness to the self-damnation of one man for what he sees is the survival of the human race.....

[Roanoke]

Originally posted by karajorma
As you may have guessed I had to listen to Bosch's turn of phrase quite a few times to get it all down.

As has been said I think it's meant to show that Bosch isn't just some psychopath out to kill everyone. He regrets the deaths that the NTF rebellion has caused but he saw no other way to achieve his goal.

And also a deep internal conflict (can't think of a better way to phrase that)

[ShadowWolf_IH]

Bosch was written so very well, all three forms of magor literary conflict went into him.  Man vs himself, man vs man, and man vs nature.  I love this thread.

[Eishtmo]

I think the idea behind the monolouges was to make you question whether he's really a bad guy or not.  By his actions, he's pretty close to the worst monster imaginable, but in his words, he's a not so bad of guy.  Who is the real Bosch?  Makes one wonder.

[Grimloq]

freespace is ABOUT freespace.

remember that 'freespace' was the name scientists first gave subspace. as far as i can see, there was a much grander scale of something, at least hundred-fold what weve seen so far, that wasnt revealed.

it just gets weirder and weirder, mcarthy, bosch, and the shivans, who, by the way, seem to have a more complex agenda than just blowing up anything in their immediate vicinity.

bah... im going to go and pine for freespace three now

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Roanoke
I thought the monologues were really good. Much better than the FS1 Ancients vids.

I loved them both the same. They just served two different purposes.

[Lightspeed]

Originally posted by Carl
It may be that he is both calm, calculating, and brilliant, but also insane. what could be worth the billions of deaths caused by his actions?

The survival of mankind.

Your description matches the impression I have of Bosch best. He's incredibly intelligent, in fact, maybe the only one making the right conclusions. He knows a lot, he knows how to achieve his goals, and he is insane enough to pay whatever price for it. Bosch himself admits the NTF is an organization of fools driven by their hatred against Vasudans. This is not Bosch's motivation. The NTF is merely a tool for him, using the insecurity and hatred of his "followers" to serve his plans.

The monologues give hints, hints about the truth behind the mystery that is the Shivans, hints about what will happen, hints about what had happened.

They also portray the irony, that he, seen as a monster by the people, may in fact be the only one who can save the human race.

[Charismatic]

Etak, was it JUST Comm's between S. and T. races? If so.. can he call for a alliance, or the ceaseing of S. forces from kicking T. asses?

If he managed to do that.. we would know of the 'bigger darkenss'\race\problem out there. Which would follow many peoples ideas on what fs3 was going to be about...

[aldo_14]

Or did the Shivans 'play' bosch all along, using him to open the Knossos and allow them into Capella?

And what was the 'tragic misunderstanding' between the GTVA and Shivans.... does this mean the Shivans are not xenophobic?  If so, why did they attack in the first place?

[Charismatic]

So whos got a text verson of these monolouges. Someone mentioned they had them, didnt post the link.
Note: No further replys( By me) will be about this. So dont get angry.

[dan87uk]

I guess that unless the guys down at volition release what they were planning as the sotryline for FS3....we'l never know, we can speculate all we want but all of us will have ideas brilliant or not, but they wont be the same and the questions will jus keep going on, my personal opinion however would be : Bosch created ETAK to communicate with the Shivans, the Shivans were intruiged by his attempts and decided to take him in to show him some of the 'greater picture' this in turn would allow Bosch to unlock the secret or begin to unravel the meaning of the shivans, the role of the ancients and perhaps of this 'greater enemy/race' and once he had learnt this he would return to the GTVA and attempt to explain what he has seen in order to save our's and the Vasudan race from extinction....or of course he might just be executed on site of course...but uno 8-)....as i said though, it's all personal speculation, we'l never know. unless of course we can convince the guys at volition to tell us 8-)

[Singh]

You kind find the written words on the FSDoc website (its the first link in hte set at the very top) or in Karajoma's FAQ (which is in his signature).

Truth to be told,  the .wav files are much better.....pity I cant remember which site held 'em...same site also had the .wavs for the other cutscenes (fs1 and FS2).........

Anyone know where is it?

[ShadowWolf_IH]

yeah no kidding, that would be great. getting the wav files i mean.  

Wondering about Bosch is an interesting endeavor no matter what.  There is always a deeper meaning.  

I often wonder how he came to be the self proclaimed messiah of humanity.  How did he acquire the knowledge that set him on his course?  What exactly IS his course?

[NGTM-1R]

Originally posted by aldo_14
And what was the 'tragic misunderstanding' between the GTVA and Shivans.... does this mean the Shivans are not xenophobic?  If so, why did they attack in the first place?

I think that perhaps, Bosch had some inside knowledge of what the GTI knew about (and did to?) the Shivans before the Shivan attack on Ross 128/elsewhere.

Perhaps GTI is to blame for the Shivan attitude towards the Terrans and Vasudans?

[dan87uk]

hmmm maybe....the GTI have always been a bit stupid and seem to be in systems 'unexplored' by terrans, and maybe, just a theory here, the opening scence for freespace 1, has anyone considered that 'lieutenant ashman a.k.a gamma 3-9er' was in fact a pilot for the GTI and maybe thats how the misunderstanding started?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Singh
I really want to see those cutscenes again. Unfortunately, I don't have the CDs anymore, or a CD writer for that matter

For that matter, where are the FS1 cutscenes? I wanna see those too!

FS1 Cutscenes

FS2 Cutscenes

Both in avi format (either Divx or Xvid) and hosted by Kosh.

Originally posted by Vertigo1
Yeah, Bosch wasn't really a bad guy.

You see I don't know about this. It's obvious that Bosch believes he has a goal that is worth all the misery he caused but the question is whether he's correct or not. As Aldo says it's possible the Shivans used him to open the knossos portal. He must have discovered its existance from someone and the GTI had been conducting experiments on live shivans. Did they simply give out false information that led him to mistakenly believe there was a chance of peace? MindGames also has an explaination for Bosch that involves him being fooled (although in this case it wasn't the Shivans who did it). Last but not least he could just simply be insane.

I guess we'll never know but it does prove there is a lot more depth to the FS2 plotline than a lot of people claim.

[dan87uk]

i beleive it is stated somewhere about bosch formely beinmg a pilot stationed at the GTI base where the Hades rebellion took place as a pilot?

[Singh]

Originally posted by karajorma


FS1 Cutscenes

FS2 Cutscenes

Both in avi format (either Divx or Xvid) and hosted by Kosh.

Thanks man! Owe ya one

[karajorma]

Originally posted by dan87uk
i beleive it is stated somewhere about bosch formely beinmg a pilot stationed at the GTI base where the Hades rebellion took place as a pilot?

As a young pilot I battled against the rebels of the great war, the Galactic Terran Intelligence whose research of shivan technology and biology would form the cornerstone of my project.

[dan87uk]

yeah i was partially right then, he was there, but against GTI....u got what i meant tho