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Whats your weapon of choice, pilot ?

GTF Hercules
16 (6.3%)
GTF Herecules MK II
16 (6.3%)
GTF Erinyes
77 (30.3%)
GTF Perseus
61 (24%)
GTF Pegasus
19 (7.5%)
GTF Myrmidon
14 (5.5%)
GTF Ares
43 (16.9%)
GTF Ulysses
8 (3.1%)

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Offline Snail

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Re: Favorite terran fighter
This thread is over a year old FYI.

 

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Re: Favorite terran fighter
so... the Erinyes is winning right?
I watch at it from the sides and it looks like a giant target, the 8 banks sure make people be thrilled at it...

Well, don't know exactly why I like the Erinyes. I guess its because its the most suited for my style of fighting. Lob a Harpoon, then close in for mas Subach rape. Its target profile is smaller than that of the Ares from behind...which is usually where I'm being shot at from (I either turn to face an enemy to engage, or turn away from them and run away)
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Re: Favorite terran fighter
and what about using some shivan addapted like the mara?? they dont fit in this voting session?
Technically speaking, the Mara is Shivan, not Terran, even if SOC did go ape**** modding the thing.

I watch at it from the sides and it looks like a giant target, the 8 banks sure make people be thrilled at it...
Yea. Its as long as a limo from the side. But you'll mostly be behind the your target, which makes the Eyrinies a winner, cause from the rear its target profile is basically a cube.

Well, don't know exactly why I like the Erinyes.
It probably has something to do with the fact that the first mission it appears, the Skulls buttkick any and all comers short of the corvette. And the fact that you first see it in the company of SOC gives it a slight superiority aura.


... Lob a Harpoon, then close in for mas Subach rape.
Another reason the Erinyes is a favored fighter. It combines a massive primary bank with respectable secondary capacity. Plus it has some decent moves to boot.
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Re: Favorite terran fighter
Erinues is also the most beautiful one, along whith the Elysees.

  

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And I seriously thought that we could avoid Naruto discussion on HLP. Guess I was wrong.
I hate anime, but that show is the worst of them all.

There int much cole likes is there?
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Re: Favorite terran fighter
I've been replying Homesick the last few days and it's given me a new appreciation of the Loki.

I started off wishing for an Erinyes, Myrm, even a Serapis, but gradually remebered how to use the Loki.  Who needs overwhelming firepower when the enemy can't even get you in their sights?

On the other hand, I'd forgotten just how nasty an Aeolus could be to the Loki until I misjudged a turn and pulled up alongside the Mammon.  Loki + Flak =  :eek2:
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And I seriously thought that we could avoid Naruto discussion on HLP. Guess I was wrong.
I hate anime, but that show is the worst of them all.

There int much cole likes is there?
Nope, I mainly hate emos, anime, and assholes. That's about it.
Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 

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Re: Relevant Anime Discussion
I mainly hate emos, anime, and assholes. That's about it.
Oh dear. I guess I'm at your black list in that case, since I'm an emo (well, closet emo technically), I watch anime and have been referred to as an asshole repeatedly.
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Re: Favorite terran fighter
I mainly hate emos, anime, and assholes. That's about it.
Oh dear. I guess I'm at your black list in that case, since I'm an emo (well, closet emo technically), I watch anime and have been referred to as an asshole repeatedly.
****. Same.
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Re: Favorite terran fighter
Loki + Flak = 

= ****ty ending

but it's ok... since you are just a pilot in a small craft, there's no hope for you bringing down a major ship.


and what about...

loki + kaisers + tempest = ??
el hombre vicio...

 

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Re: Favorite terran fighter
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Is that an allusion to the old Tell A Story thread? ;)

What I like to do on when I fly an Erinyes is to use dual Kaysers with two full banks of Tempests. :drevil:
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Re: Favorite terran fighter
That's the problem with Terrans... hardly wants to fly their true dogfighting craft :)

There's the Perseus which could get away as a space superiority craft if one isn't looking to closely,  or the Erinyes which can compensate its shortcomings in this role by sheer firepower... both of which can carry meaningful numbers of standoff weapons.

In the campagin, enemies usally appear in waves and far away, favouring craft with a respectable missile loadout... but for extended dogfighting, what I really want is a Loki equipped as stated.

 

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Re: Favorite terran fighter
the herc 2 is the fighter i like the most. the erinyes has too many draw backs for a fighter but the herc only has 1 to speak of.

herc 2 has lots of room like the tauret for secondary fire support and a thick shield, you cant win a fight on primary fire alone. with that said my favored weapon of choices, kayser ud-8 and trebs combined with a herc 2 equals death. early in fs2 however would be the harpoons if none exist it would be the hornets
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the herc 2 is the fighter i like the most. the erinyes has too many draw backs for a fighter but the herc only has 1 to speak of.

herc 2 has lots of room like the tauret for secondary fire support and a thick shield, you cant win a fight on primary fire alone. with that said my favored weapon of choices, kayser ud-8 and trebs combined with a herc 2 equals death. early in fs2 however would be the harpoons if none exist it would be the hornets
It depends on your playing style, actually. I score most of my kills using secondaries, but I know my friend prefers using his primaries. And he can do just as well if not better than me.
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Re: Favorite terran fighter
i never pass up the opportunity to use trebs or harpoons when they become available i can average 30 kills a mission which includes cruisers and destroyers if im up to it. however the hercs drawback is its outright speed, which makes it more clumsy when it comes to destroying something like a dragon fighter when using primaries.

also interesting to note i love using the ursa and combined with a prom in the second primary slot and nothing in the 1st slot, together 5 helios in 2nd and 3rd secondary bank and a cluster bomb bay in 1st. it's not a lethal as you might expect however it does jump your secondary accuracy up quite a bit, my max accuracy was 740% accuracy on secondary and 600% on primary by the ursa bomber alone also in part thanks to that turret.
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Re: Favorite terran fighter
Dragon Fighters > Every other fighter

Trebs can only take kills from far out. Within 600ms, they become unwieldy.
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im apoligies for last post, firefox crashed. yes as said, the herc 2 has a drawback with speed which makes it clumsy when using primaries on a dragon fighter. if the trebs cant kill it, harpoons take over, but even they become useless within 200m when both you and enemy fighter are heading almost directly at each other. thats where if your me, the helios works well if you need a 3rd fall back. i have taken out a dragon once with a helios torpedo, albeit lucky.
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I always used to take dual primary weapons, but lately, I've found them to be less useful than mixed primaries.

I like taking a fast firing anti-fighter gun like the Subach or Kayser in one bank (preferably something with 4 firepoints), and pairing it with a more specialised weapon, such as an SDG for capital ships or a Prom S/Maxim for long-range sniping and intercept.  Add in a nice mixture of missiles and you've got a very flexible craft capable of taking on any target that gets in front of it.

Works great on a Myrm or an Erinyes, but less so on fighters that only have 4 gun points.
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Getting into a proper dogfight against a Dragon with an assault fighter isn't pleasant; if the opponent is any good it might be an exercise in futility. There is another option though: Standing still and pretending to be a gun turret negates any mobility advantage, and Shivan fighters don't have the firepower to slug it out like that. Unfortunately, coming to a full stop isn't advisable when under fire from several opponents.

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I consider, Dragons to be vastly overrated (i.e. I think it's good but hardly overpowered). People simply fly the wrong craft against them. Or maybe the craft are the right ones, and being able to fight Dragons on equal terms simply isn't the most important criterion for the mission. Let's compare the Shivan Dragon against its closest match in terms of manoeverability and the craft I consider the best overall dogfighter in the GTVA.

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First, let's pit the Serapis (widely regarded a useless craft) against the it. Flight characteristics are close - the Dragon wins on top speed with afterburners and is slightly more manoeverable, the Serapis effectively has almost twice the afterburner capacity though. About even, with a slight advantage to the Dragon (I never found the sliding too useful... others might disagree).

Despite its much-criticized shielding, a Serapis will hold out longer against the Dragon's 5 Heavy Lasers  than the Dragon will against 4 Prometheus S... in other words, Shivan primaries suck even harder than Vasudan shields. Not that it's a major draw for close-in dogfighting, but the Serapis also has a generous missile capacity.
Endurance in a lengthy dogfight could go either way... the Serapis has the problem that more than half its damage capacity is made up of armour instead of shields - which doesn't regenerate. On the other hand, the regeneration rate before shields are breached is impressive thanks to excellent energy output; the Dragon feels underpowered by comparison. On the whole, the Serapis outguns the Dragon even when adjusted for sturdiness.

Target profile of either craft is excellent with a slight edge to the Serapis from my experience. Gun points are open to debate (decent for the Serapis; the Dragon's are quite bad when firing from both banks but the best in the game when giving up 11% of theoretical firepower by just using the triple bank). I for one would take the Dragon's any day.

On the whole, they are closely matched. I would prefer the Dragon when being shot down myself by enemy fighters is a major concern (the Serapis has the annoying tendency to blow up at the first mistake), the Serapis when I have to keep allies alive (killing anything with Shivan primaries takes ages. Doubly so if the targets are Shivan too) or there's a chance of being shot at by antifighter beams (very very bad news for most Shivan craft).

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The Loki is just as fast as the Dragon, can control the distance thanks to more powerful afterburners and has a better power plant (very important since dogfights between agile yet well-shielded fighters can take some time). It will also last more than twice as long against 5 Shivan Heavy Lasers than a Dragon will against 4 Kaysers; this time the Dragon is solidly outgunned without any way to interpret the sturdiness/firepower comparison to its advantage.
The Dragon has the edge in target profile, gun points and manoeverability, and it is a pleasure to fly... but the Loki moves well enough that I can accept its shortcomings in exchange for almost 3 times the firepower.

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@ nvsblmnc: Pretty much the only mix I like is Maxims + something against fighters, and that only in 6-gun craft (6 equal guns go to waste; same firepower as using just the 4-gun bank). Otherwise I like a double load of the heaviest weapon that doesn't use a prohibitive amount of energy.