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Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: Sandwich on September 03, 2006, 02:51:25 am
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We really didn't want it to get to this, but a couple of recent events have forced our hand. First off, our webhost is sucking. Badly, as I'm sure many of you have noticed. We want it to stop sucking. We want a webhost that doesn't go down every few days - heck, that's why we left GameSpy's free hosting a couple of years back in the first place. However, a server that can handle the strain that HLP puts on a system, one from a reliable webhost, costs considerably more than we're paying now.
Secondly, you may have noticed a distinct lack of Google advertisements in the past couple of days. Google discovered that the account we were using was "connected" in some way to our previous account (which had been shut down due to fraudulent clicks) and shut it down as well. Our ad income had been enough to cover monthly costs (on our current, sucky server), and usually a wee bit more, depending on the month. Without it though, we're kinda up a creek without a subspace drive. We're not sure where to turn for advertising income (we'd rather have no ads than annoying, invasive, flashy, PITA ads), so if anyone has any suggestions, let us know - preferably some advertising system that doesn't require a US Social Security number, US tax ID, etc, since 90% of us are not from the US.
Therefore, without any further ado, we have decided to accept donations (http://www.hard-light.net/index.php?id=3).
Finally, if some of you would like to support HLP on an ongoing monthly basis, please let us know what kind of sums you're thinking of and we'll get it set up (unfortunately, I cannot set up a monthly recurring payment button in PayPal where the amount per month is left open for the donator to decide - we have to set the amount ahead of time).
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Do you accept Euros?
How much money do you need?
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PayPal accepts at least US, Canadian and Australian dollars, Euros, Yens and Pound Sterlings. Optimally, and I say again, optimally we would love to receive $2400 every 12 months or $200 every month. However, $1200 every 12 months or $100 every month is little more than enough to afford at least a decent dedicated server.
If you need to convert currencies, use The Universal Currency Converter (http://www.xe.com/ucc/).
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I'm under 18,but I'll do my best...
We are 4800,2 dollars per member(but I'm including non active members too).
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If you can and are willing to donate, even a small donation does help. :) But don't worry if you cannot. :)
Also, both HLP and GW admins are intending to come into an agreement to share a dedicated server because we both will have to rely on donations. If you want to donate, you can either donate to HLP or GW and in the end it should help both. It is possible that this joint-project won't succeed, but it is in our best interests to make it happen.
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Any ideas how they (Google) found out about the ads?
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Sorry, Poland is poor country, i'm from rather poor family, and even worse i'm not over-18. :doubt: All i'll be able to afford is one-time 1$. :p I'll send it after 2 weeks after parents will get their payments.
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I could donate something as a one-off, but I don't think many people will be willing to do it every month. Can we go back to Gamespy? Even if the service sucked (although as far as I remember, it wasn't quite as bad as what we're seeing right now), it was at least free.
As for the ads, I have seen a system called Yahoo Ads that looks similar to Google AdSense (http://www.brickshelf.com has them, for example), so that may be worth a look.
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If I recall correctly, you get a free $5 when you sign up for PayPal. If you're a poor student but can sign up for an account, you could transfer us the $5 without having to spend your own money. :)
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Crap.
Visa Electron doesn't seem to be good enough a debit card for PayPal. :sigh: :(
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here in Italy we often use PayPal,but I can't do this...
I:Mom,can I donate some money for HARD Light Productions?
Mom:WHAT?HARD?
I:Dad,please give me the credit card.
Dad:*%*^&*!!!
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I'm pretty sure if I made a joke about your mom that is so obvious, I'd probably get banned so we're not even going to go there.
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Any ideas how they (Google) found out about the ads?
Ideas, yes. Knowledge, no. I suspect that when time came to write the first payout check, something lined up with something else and went click.
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I'm pretty sure if I made a joke about your mom that is so obvious, I'd probably get banned so we're not even going to go there.
Can you be more exaustive?
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If I recall correctly, you get a free $5 when you sign up for PayPal. If you're a poor student but can sign up for an account, you could transfer us the $5 without having to spend your own money. :)
A credit card is mandatory for PayPal, right ?
Well, I'd gladly pay several bucks for HLP, but I don't have a credit card, and getting one just for that seems a bit overkill. Is there another way to transfer money ?
Hell .... give us a post adress to send money in an envelope ;)
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I'll have to see what I can do.
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Could you belive I'm 24 and wihtout a credit card?
I knew I would need it one day badly and it looks like it has come.. Dang, better go get one.
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Is it 1200 a year for an ok server? and 2400 for a good one?
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Paypal UK accepts debit cards, including visa electron.
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How?
It just asks me to put in a credit card and I don't have one... I don't seem to find a button that says "Debit Card" on the user interface. :mad:
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*ding!*
Just doin' me part :)
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Many debit cards can be used just like credit cards.
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Crap.
Visa Electron doesn't seem to be good enough a debit card for PayPal. :sigh: :(
Visa Electron works as long as it has the "Visa Certified" logo. I know, I used to use Visa Electron with PayPal years back.
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What ways have been considered to make HLP more profitable?
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Ads and donations, or do you want we charge hosted projects monthly? :wtf:
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i need you to tell me what bandwidth you use on a monthly basis, what kind of 'performance' you need. (for example. dual opteron 148s (dual cores) with 4 GB of RAM, 600 GB of space, etc.)
also what you're paying per month right now. and what you'd be paying per month in the ideal situation (i.e. for a server that's up to par... assuming the one you have now isn't).
runtime. what's "doable" downtime? 2 hours/month? 6 hours/month? 15 minutes/month?
let me know plz :)
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IIRC, Paypal allows you in some countries to sign up and add your bank info, and it will exchange money with that if you don't have a credit card.
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Stealth, since the plan is to get both HLP and GW into the same server due to financial reasons, it is hard to say what is the optimal hardware. However, I think it is safe to say that even the lowest end dual-core CPU, 1GB RAM and 80GB RAID1 should do fine. As for bandwidth, 1TB per month is pretty safe bet assuming we don't want to move all downloads back to torrents. As for downtime, that greatly depends how much hosting costs.
We now pay $57 per month, that's how much we can afford with ads as long as we would be running Google AdSense. As we aren't now, we can't afford even that, meaning Sandwich has been and still is paying for many months from his own pockets. Anything more than that and we need donations, assuming we will ever be able to run AdSense on hard-light.net again.
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E-Mail me Fury, we need to talk £££............ 8)
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If you want to talk about financial matters, I suggest you PM Sandwich.
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In case you missed my post earlier, look into that Yahoo Ads service and see if it's any good. The guy who runs that Brickshelf site once said that the hosting service costs over $1000 monthly, but the ad revenue is enough to cover it all.
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Yahoo ads beta participation requires valid U.S social security or tax id number. AFAIK only Goober would be able to register, assuming we would even get into the beta. I leave that for Sandwich and Goober decide whether they want to get into it.
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^^^ What he said. ^^^
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Oh, I see. I suppose going back to Gamespy is also impossible at this point?
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Wasn't this actionplanet at one point? :confused:
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Gamespy was worse than what we're with currently - far worse. Anyone remember the multiple MySQL DB crashes that lost us months of posts?
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I do have one question: why is Google (apparently) being such a bunch of hardasses over this? You get a few fraudulent clicks, get one account shut down, make another, and get that shut down as well, just because it's "connected" to the old account? Real bastardly thing to do, if you ask me.
Money-wise, I don't know if I could help out on a monthly basis, since I'm on essentially little to no income, but I might be able to make a one-time donation for now, if that's at all possible.
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Gamespy was worse than what we're with currently - far worse. Anyone remember the multiple MySQL DB crashes that lost us months of posts?
I forced it ut of my mind, But now its all flooding back........... My JK47 account :(
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Will we get a donation-o-meter?
I still need to donate. Stupid PayPal registration... :(
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Yahoo ads beta participation requires valid U.S social security or tax id number. AFAIK only Goober would be able to register, assuming we would even get into the beta. I leave that for Sandwich and Goober decide whether they want to get into it.
Oh noes!
Okay, I'll have a chat with Sandwich.
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host it on my server
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I just donated yesterday. I want to pledge monthly to donate. This site is too important to go down. It's the only thing keeping my all time favorite game still alive. If you guys need anything as far as American SSN or something let me know. (What's up with the lack of Americans here? When I used to romp around on PXO there were a lot of Americans.)
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We're not special enough
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I forced it ut of my mind, But now its all flooding back........... My JK47 account :(
...you're JK47?? *curses all drastic name changes ever*
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Ok time to open up the PayPal for real. I've had the account for several years allready but never really had any reason to use it before. This must be one of the best reasons there is.
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I forced it ut of my mind, But now its all flooding back........... My JK47 account :(
...you're JK47?? *curses all drastic name changes ever*
Thank god someone remembers me, MY LOA--JK47 account only joined HLP 6 days after you Sandwich)
BTW i cant view any messages in my outbox addressed to you, Did you get the *nudge-wink* yet?
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see my above reply ^^^^
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That is hallowed ground, i must train as a purist e-monk for years before even laying eyes on the Array, Home of Steak......
*chorus in background*
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I forced it ut of my mind, But now its all flooding back........... My JK47 account :(
...you're JK47?? *curses all drastic name changes ever*
Thank god someone remembers me, MY LOA--JK47 account only joined HLP 6 days after you Sandwich)
BTW i cant view any messages in my outbox addressed to you, Did you get the *nudge-wink* yet?
Why'd you switch?
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I went for CD as i entered the original Saga team, Occupational commimenst forced me abroad for upwards of 9 months, when i came back, JK47 was gone and only LOA--JK47 remained, So i stuck with Cd...
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Ok donated.
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Bd news:I can't donate at this moment.
My parent has no warranties(i wrote it correctly,right?)...
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I'll give the 3.58 I have lying around in there.
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Donated.
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Can we get a Donataions status? :)
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That would be a Bad Idea (TM) with capital letters. That is, if you mean as a status to how much a user has donated.
It could and probably would create a holier-than-thou attitude amongst donators... well, donating could still make that to a person but at least then he or she would have no one to treat down because it would not be known who has donated more or less.
If you mean a status on how much has been donated already, well I'm all for it. :p
I will donate some amount if I just can get P***Pal working or find some other way. If anything, I find the user interface incredibly unintuitive, and it doesn't seem to accept my Visa Electron card. It says that the bank denies the card wih that number, and the bank account system is... weird to say the least. :blah:
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If you mean a status on how much has been donated already, well I'm all for it. :p
That's I meant :)
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Yes, I would find a donat-o-meter useful.
So you say that donating here would be useful to both HLP and GW? If it is, I'll end up donating more here so that it's all in one place.
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That would be a Bad Idea (TM) with capital letters. That is, if you mean as a status to how much a user has donated.
It could and probably would create a holier-than-thou attitude amongst donators... well, donating could still make that to a person but at least then he or she would have no one to treat down because it would not be known who has donated more or less.
If you mean a status on how much has been donated already, well I'm all for it. :p
I will donate some amount if I just can get P***Pal working or find some other way. If anything, I find the user interface incredibly unintuitive, and it doesn't seem to accept my Visa Electron card. It says that the bank denies the card wih that number, and the bank account system is... weird to say the least. :blah:
You realise this is going to happen the minute people start getting warned for misbehaviour by admins, anyway? "Oh but I donated money!"
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That might happen, but as I see the situation, the donations are needed and possible negative consequences must be accepted - no need to create situations like that artificially, though.
And, of course all who have a clue about anything won't behave like that, and if/when the clueless ones start behaving like they own this place because they donated something, those who have their heads still between their shoulders will understand that it's really nothing worth paying attention to. I know I won't. The ones who try that just make asses of themselves.
If you want to donate from your pocket to keep this marvellous thing going on, then fine and thank you; you make a service to communinty and yourself. But while you donate, you understand that you gain no other rights to the HLP itself, including right to forum policies.
If someone screws around here, the case is processed by forum rules. Of course, if the admins decide to treat donators differently then it's a whole another thing, but once that kind of elitistic thing happens I'll most likely be out of here. Personally I'm against all kinds of lists of donators, precisely from this reason. To me it's enough of a reward to see the HLP and GW shine as a bright beacon in the night of current gaming business. That is, if I even can donate. But anyway, it would be just enough for me to see everything work like before; I would know that I have contributed, and I really have never cared about status symbols.
But of course, the admins do as they see fit. If you want to create a "sponsorship list", then fine. If you don't that's fine too. But for the mercy of Lords of Kobol, Hyperintelligent Shade of Blue, God and Flying Spaghetti Monster, do *not* put the donated sums onto that list. That would be just begging for problems.
:)
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Nobody's getting any sort of special treatment for donating; that kinda ruins the point. It's a donation, not a purchase of special treatment.
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Nobody's getting any sort of special treatment for donating; that kinda ruins the point. It's a donation, not a purchase of special treatment.
Thats hardly the point. The point is certain people may take it as such.
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And they will be wrong.
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Thats hardly the point. The point is certain people may take it as such.
Doesn't matter. Paying entry to a nightclub doesn't automatically permit you to grope all the women and urinate on the managers desk (and if it does can someone tell me which nightclub :D )
Same rules apply here.
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Do you dislike nightclub managers?
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So, how much have we got thus far? So I can donate more if it's needed.
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Do you dislike nightclub managers?
Not particularly but short of urinating on the bouncers themselves nothing is more likely to end up with you on the street outside the club nursing a black eye :)
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I came across this page that lists some adsense alternatives:
http://www.associateprograms.com/articles/208/1/Adsense-Competitors-and-Alternatives
I don't exactly know how they work though.
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Nobody's getting any sort of special treatment for donating; that kinda ruins the point. It's a donation, not a purchase of special treatment.
What if I put 'Michael Cohen' on the cheque?
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Do you dislike nightclub managers?
Not particularly but short of urinating on the bouncers themselves nothing is more likely to end up with you on the street outside the club nursing a black eye :)
Just don't ask for money back when a gambling machine eats it. There are... stories about The Garage, and people getting swift kickings.
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Do you dislike nightclub managers?
Not particularly but short of urinating on the bouncers themselves nothing is more likely to end up with you on the street outside the club nursing a black eye :)
If you don't think peeing on the manager's desk is gonna get you an ass whooping, I have surprising news.
Also I'm gonna have to donate sometime today or tommorow.
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I think you misunderstood me. I was well aware it would get you your arse kicked. That was my whole point. Just because you pay to get into a nightclub, even if you pay VIP prices it doesn't mean you won't get beaten up and ejected if you misbehave.
Same thing applies to HLP donations.
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Same thing applies to HLP donations.
About these donations,first Sandwich said "200$ per month or 2400$ per year".
The second choice is far better.There could pass months with no sufficient $ to maintain the host gained.With an "XXX$ left" label or something else we can all see how many $stuff is required to reach those 2400.
Is it a good idea?
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Well, currently we're at $350, so there's a long ways yet to go... ;) Thanks to everyone who's donated so far, though. :yes:
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'Tis not bad for barely a week's worth of donations. And 200/mo is actually suprisingly little when spread over a forum population, even if only 50 feel like donating that's only 4$ per person per month :)
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You guys are paying $57/month for hosting? Assuming that at least a couple of the admins/owners of this site are grownups and have paying jobs (which is hopefully a pretty safe assumption) why should this amount be so difficult to scrounge up amoungst yourselves? Look at wcnews, they are completely ad-less, have more traffic, and pay more for hosting than you guys, yet the owners of still pay for hosting out of their own pockets. I don't think any of them are past their 20's either. I don't want to seem mean or anything (I did still donate, BTW), but shouldn't you guys be able to handle something as low as $57/month by yourselves?
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Well, AFAIK Sandwich HAS been paying this whole thing from his own pockets for some time (don't know for how long), and thus your message quite nullifies itself.
Secondly, as you would know if you hadstudied the matter more, the current shared hosting service used sucks bits occasionally, which has resulted in intolerable technical problems lately, mainly too much downtime.
So, the HLP (and Game Warden) are going to get a dedicated server. However, dedicated servers cost a lot more than shared hosting solutions. The estimated money flow (for ideal server solution) will increase to about 200$ a month, 2400$ a year... I'm sure you understand that it would be unfair to presume that a few people on the forums would be willing to pay that much. Even for ten people to pay, it would still be 240$ a year.
But if you get even a hundred donators, the price per year per capita reduces to only 24$. More donators, less stress on individual pockets.
Plus, it's awesomely adolescent behaviour to go suggesting things like that. It's like "Hey, you're a big car dealer. Why don't you give me free car with all the special equipment there can be, and you pay the importer? You've got monet and I want a car."
In this analogy, the devs and admins are already working hard to get you the car with all the equipment, and now you want them also to pay for it...?
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Basically, Herra's right. HLP's not in imminent danger of going under - at least, not financially (server stability is another matter). And even if the donations do not end up matching the need, the adminship is willing to shoulder whatever needs to be shouldered to keep this place running. I'm not a money-hungry despot; paying for HLP out of my own pocket - even though my time here is not what it used to be in the past - does not bother me too much - as long as it's a necessity. If people are willing to donate money to help HLP out, that's wonderful, and I certainly am not going to refuse them simply because I am financially capable of keeping HLP afloat and living my real life at the same time.
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/me translates
"I need beer money, *****es...."
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Shush, you!!
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/me starts running around in circles, waving his arms and screaming about oppression
The correct response to "Can't the admins pay for the server?" is "Shut the **** up."
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In my opinion you should consider adding more ads(maybe google ads?think they are always relevant to the contents of a site that hosts them,thus they might draw more attentions than 'regular ads') at the top/the bottom of forums or any area that doesnt make the forums unreadable,so poor bums like me who cannot donate can help by clicking the 'sponsors url' a few times everytime we visit the site.
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They tried that.
There were......difficulties.
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Well, AFAIK Sandwich HAS been paying this whole thing from his own pockets for some time (don't know for how long), and thus your message quite nullifies itself.
Well, seems like the obvious solution would be to split cost between more of the admins. It is quite unfair for only one person to pay for hosting by himself. However, donations are only a temporary solution --you will get a whole lot of donations to begin with, but as time goes on the donations you get will dwindle rapidly, and then you're back to square one again.
P.S. Try not to hate me too much for playing devil's advocate :P
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Donations work fine if people are involved with what they're conating to. Consider the number of hosted projects here; That's a large number of people who have a vested interest in keeping the site running smoothly.
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The Project Leaders should give money then?
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Whoever wants to, should. My point above was that it's a lot more likely that people want to on a site like this than on, say, your random EZboard community forum, as many are in one way or another working on stuff that's hosted here.
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Depends...Big hosted projects to maintain are part of HLP.Their projects are hosted,in exchange they have to pay.
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Nahh... I don't ever see HLP becoming a place that charges for anything.
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So.......free cam-whoring?
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English?
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Yep.
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...could you speak English?
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Yep. Still can.
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Ok, good.
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And here I was, half-expecting an: "English, mutha****a' - do you speak it?!"
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Nahh - you know me better than that.
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...could you speak English?
Yep. Still can.
Ok, good.
I thought you were talking with me :D
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/me donates and then runs back into the shadows hoping they dont buy a lighbulb for this corner...
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Lightbulb? Nahh... we use plasma-powered spotlights. :D
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:wtf: So THAT's why we have so much expenses!?
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No no no - the plasma spotlights we cobbled together in the sweatshops from the hulks of crashed capships. It's the $200 toilet seats that pumped up the operating costs - do you have any idea how many toilets we need around here? Just look at all the crap people spew out every day! :p
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So instead of being plasma spotlights, they're scrapped plasma spotlights with a chance of a breakdown in any time...
no more light for me please
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[oliver twist]Can we actually get some hot water in the showers.........And warm food once in a while would be nice Mister Sandwich :nervous:
[/oliver twist]
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The spotlights can deal with both those issues for you, man - don't be lazy! Just shine the beam of light at the showerhead and it'll be nice and toasty by the time the water starts shooting out. As for the food, do I really need to explain to you how to heat up your HLPpy Meal™? :rolleyes:
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HLPpy meals are a rip-off, my Carl toy tried to eat my hand and the ZOD burger had space crack in it :(
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The spotlights can deal with both those issues for you, man - don't be lazy! Just shine the beam of light at the showerhead and it'll be nice and toasty by the time the water starts shooting out. As for the food, do I really need to explain to you how to heat up your HLPpy Meal™? :rolleyes:
How about another wall? Three isn't enough! *Cough-cough-spit*
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I think the escape pods are a higher priority.
Painting a hatch labelled 'escape pod' onto the wall just doesn't cut it.
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What makes you think we WANT people to escape? Should we want to get rid of certain individual, we just ask him nicely to accompany us and show him to a private room which in fact is a masked airlock.
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I think the escape pods are a higher priority.
Painting a hatch labelled 'escape pod' onto the wall just doesn't cut it.
But its sooo funny flicking the evac klaxons on and watching noobs brain themselves running into a wall. :lol:
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"Yes, Lady and Gentlemen, look around you! This is the culture we're asking you to help preserve, to donate towards! Do you really want this to fade into the mists of time? No, of course not!"
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I'm an enorsement :nod:
Serously though, could any of you live with yourselves if HLP went the way of pxo?
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What worked on and made better by Taylor?
I'd be pissed off if it wasn't :D
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What worked on and made better by Taylor?
I'd be pissed off if it wasn't :D
Wait...... Taylor is ex-[V]?
or is this just the SCP stuff?
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After :v: pulled the plug on PXO they gave the code to the SCP. So saying that something went the same way as PXO doesn't mean it's gone forever.
Hence the joke :)
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Have your ever thougt about looking for a sponsor for HLP?
HLP has a rather big community, so maybe it would be worth a try.
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*calls D*R*K SM*RT and tells him to walk the plank before offering sponsorship*
Any ideas about what sort of group would do that, what fields are people specialties?
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We could open up a Derek Smart Center for Noobs Who Can't Post Well. :p A place where forums from all over the world send their noobs, who have to be trained in the cultural norms of online communication, and only then allowed to retun to the forums they came from. ;)
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Post Good sandwich, Good.
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I'll bung a £50 in tomorrow......
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i'll probably donate tonight. someone mentioned 100 ppl donating $24, i think thats very achievable. i'll prob donate $25 US or something. I've paid a lot more for games i've enjoyed less :P
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A long time ago in a Galaxy far far away, www.Hard-Light.net was fully operational.
But some bug$€r, lost and bored Shivan killed Darth Vader and it all exploded. Maybe mixing hyperspace, subspace and Sol-Gate we will able to reach it again...
Now seriosly... When Hard-light is healthy again, it could be a good Idea to post a "Wealth Meter" with the money you've collected and the money you've used in server costs. But as already said by many other people, please, NEVER post donators' names or nicks.
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anyone heard of round-robin DNS ?
you don't have to pay anything, and you will have your site without any ads, the solution is simple :
take ~50 members with proper upload bandwidth (500-1000 kbits) give everyone a copy of the static data and give them the web server configurations and proper settings to make sure they are all the same, make sure that those members have a constant ip address, and make sure they agree to keep the web stuff running in their system, always.
once that is achieved, a DNS company could create you a DNS name, which would be a round-robin DNS address, which will transfer every next hit to the next ip address of on e these members, for example :
a user entering the DNS address which will connect him to 0.0.0.1 (address doesn't matter they must be the addresses of the members)
the next user entering the site will be using the same DNS address but will actually connect to 0.0.0.2 (member #2)
and so forth.
the web data must be as static as possible, the changed data which is modified all the time like the forum content (SQL) will be on the master server, to which all members will connect and linked to transfer the rest of the data.
problems : the members will have to have tolerable latency to the server, 50-100 ms is optimal, the server to which they will be connecting must have the ip addresses of these members in the iptables as ALLOWED, and give them specific usernames and passwords for access, should not be a problem.
this will greatly reduce server cpu load as it will only have to deal with sql and no http and scripting stuff which require much more cpu time.
those members will have to have their network stuff running ALL the time, that means no shutting down of the system, at all.
as a backup, the round-robin DNS will have to provide a fail-safe against ip addresses that do not reply in sufficient amount of time and make sure to skip those addresses when they fail, to avoid users getting an error which would indicate that their site does not exist while in fact it's that partocular member to which that particular user was assigned to at this particular time.
since many people here are programmers im sure you understand the idea quite well.
of corse, it is also possible to make a more sinple and elegant solution :
you could make a master site with mirrors, same thing, the mirror sites will contain all site content and connect to the master site for data modification, the master site will not contain anything but a selection, in plain HTML, of all the other mirrors (users with web stuff running that can host all the web data as mentioned above).
with both of these methods, you can either have a very low load on the main server of even manage very well without a server at all, using only the administrator's system as the host for SQL requests (which will have to make sure his system never gets shut down either, because if it does it will no longer be possible to modify any data)
what do you think of this idea ? is it helpful ?
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I usually hit HLP from work so it would be feasible to me, what about the other fine upstanding members here though?
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I have some HTML server and I can host some text-only stuff some torrent files for downloading releases maybe ?
I may also be able to create a site, as long as it is 100% HTML, no J/S, no scripts, no cgi no asp etc....
think of some 1337 design with nice static frame and text, with some images too, of corse a user limit will have to be present, I will check if that is possible with my http server....
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good idea but its not something that suits us at the moment. to do this you would have to have a pretty big community. right now we are trying to gt HLP hosted on a dedicated server toghethor with game warden.
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The host re-strted sucking,when do you change it?
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In regard to donations, you can buy stuff from here (http://www.cafepress.com/holight,gtvi,hlp,vasudan,freespace,freespace2,ntf). I first found the link in the first post of the FRED contest sticky by Goober5000 (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,33629.0.html), so I'm assuming HLP gets money. I'm planning on buying some stuff just for the awesome factor.
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Actually, I'm not sure HLP gets money from that. I'm pretty sure GalacticEmperor set that up on an at-cost basis.
I'd have to ask him to be sure though.
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The server sometimes goes down,which that the host has remained the same.
Have you reached those infamous $2000?
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No, nowhere near, unfortunately. We're basically at $680.
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This thread is almost two months old,so we have no chance of having the host we wanted.
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No, but another promising lead is being looked into.
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This thread is almost two months old,so we have no chance of having the host we wanted.
Hey, as Monty Python say: Look at the Bright Sight of Life. 6 x 680$ = 4080$ :D
Now seriously, I also doubt you'll get the 2000$ :(
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I wonder... are people aware that one does NOT need a PayPal account to donate via PayPal? All one needs is either a credit card, or - I believe - an American bank account.
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No, but another promising lead is being looked into.
What Sandwich means that HLP should have moved to the same server as Game Warden by now. By the looks of it the move won't be happening because nobody who knows what to do can be arsed to work on it, including me.
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Well at least he's honest :lol:
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that website that sells the apparel, if it's being run not for profit then include the cost of the server space in the price of the apparel.
I'm planning on buying some of the apparel and would prefer at least a cppl bucks per shirt going to the website.