[General Battuta]

Many Greek myths are fanfic!

[qwadtep]

So Bosch is Helen?

[Luis Dias]

So Bosch is Helen?

Most definitely. We can call that one canon.

[An4ximandros]

FORUM POSTS ARE NOT CANON

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

EDIT: Self defeating post Darius? If forums posts are not canon, then your post is not canon as well. Which makes forum posts canon. That makes your post canon and hence forums posts not canon. Which means your post is not canon and this forums posts are canon...

Seems like you dug your own grave here!

[Crybertrance]

FORUM POSTS ARE NOT CANON

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

EDIT: Self defeating post Darius? If forums posts are not canon, then your post is not canon as well. Which makes forum posts canon. That makes your post canon and hence forums posts not canon. Which means your post is not canon and this forums posts are canon...

Seems like you dug your own grave here!

Darius -> 

 

[General Battuta]

Boy, it's so funny and clever* that I almost don't want to point out the elementary logical failure between steps 1 and 2

[redsniper]

horror

stop stop
stop
stop it
stop
please
my brain
please

[CT27]

Sorry for being late to the discussion, but since we've been talking about Shivans and whatnot:  how do the Shivans view "loss"?

I.e., did they care when the Lucifer got destroyed? 

Or when the Colossus destroyed the first Sathanas, did they go "darn", or have no reaction at all?

[An4ximandros]

AFAIK, they have no qualia or consciousness in BP. They don't give a damn as far as we are told.

[blowfish]

Sorry for being late to the discussion, but since we've been talking about Shivans and whatnot:  how do the Shivans view "loss"?

I.e., did they care when the Lucifer got destroyed? 

Or when the Colossus destroyed the first Sathanas, did they go "darn", or have no reaction at all?

The fact that Shivans almost never withdraw their warships even when destruction is imminent suggests that they are largely indifferent to warship losses.  It seems to be hinted at in BP that some of those losses may even be intentional to further long-term goals.

[MatthTheGeek]

It seems losses are experience. They learn and adapt from that. "To fight them is to teach them".

However the Lucifer was a bit special, since canon confirms GW Shivans lost coordination after its loss. Nothing similar happened when the Sath was destroyed.

[Nyalatothep]

However the Lucifer was a bit special, since canon confirms GW Shivans lost coordination after its loss. Nothing similar happened when the Sath was destroyed.

I explained that to myself by thinking, that this branch of the Shivans had evolved (possibly when fighting the ancients?) to use a centralised structure, yet when the Lucifer was destroyed, they adapted to the now apparent weakness of such a system, and when they "rebuilt" their fleet, they had evolved to use a different concept.

[General Battuta]

There was a holocide anima aboard the Lucifer. Destroying it reverted the local Shivans to basal state reactive behavior.

[MatthTheGeek]

And here I was doing my best to keep a little suspense

[Molybdenum]

There was a holocide anima aboard the Lucifer. Destroying it reverted the local Shivans to basal state reactive behavior.

I was wondering whether CASSANDRA was brought to Sol before the collapse of the node or scavenged from the Lucifer wreckage. Now I'm leaning towards the second option.

[Luis Dias]

There was a holocide anima aboard the Lucifer. Destroying it reverted the local Shivans to basal state reactive behavior.

I was wondering whether CASSANDRA was brought to Sol before the collapse of the node or scavenged from the Lucifer wreckage. Now I'm leaning towards the second option.

Now that's a very pretty piece of writing that eluded me. Ties up some loose knots while introducing novelties (Cassandra).

[Drogoth]

There was a holocide anima aboard the Lucifer. Destroying it reverted the local Shivans to basal state reactive behavior.

So forum posts are canon? Or non canon? Or was this info somewhere in BP that i missed?

[Dark Hunter]

I don't recall any mention of there being multiple of the various kinds of anima in the campaign. Mentioned were the apatic and the holocide, but if the Lucy had one, this means there were at least two holocide anima.

This is interesting information, if true. Sheds slightly more light on the structure of the Shivan network.

[General Battuta]

Animae are gathered on an ad-hoc basis to oversee specific tasks. Holocide animae handle culls, while apatic animae have a different specialty.

[An4ximandros]

Such as being indifferent about the protocol?