[Mobius]

So I have a reason to use 20KM ships and as you can see Gigas isn't best suited for what i want to do ,and Sechat-thor is unavailable for me.

I see you have a good reason...but do you have the FREDding skills to manage a superjuggernaut?

[Dragon]

I know fredding this will be difficult ,but you will not see those two battle in first main campaign.

Spoiler:

Icanus will be appearing in the last "combat" mission and engaging one or two ships for plot purposes ,and will take part in final "parade" mission.
Eclipse will get attacked while under construction and take part in parade (I'm thinking of nonlineral campaign ,so if you fail to protect it things will get much worse and you will not see it on parade).
Both are flagships ,so you will almost certainly see them if I will make you visit home sector of either faction in second campaign (with is especially likely with Eclipse).

I will certainly learn a lot  when trying to get either ship moving.
Also i see a problem with hyperspacing ,especially i want to use $use Newtonian dampening in AI profile.
It will make it go on insane speed and certainly will be hard to make look decent.
Imagine this ship slowly emerging from the hyperspace and forcing all ships to cease fire (I will not say many more because it's a huge spoiler. The point is i want them to feel a bit like FS1 Shivans. I can only say it will explain a lot after blasting troublemakers).
Slow entering is my idea to compensate Newtonian dampening ,and when i tested it on Orion Refit it looked awesome ,and forced the ship to go mere65 mps ,which make it stand in place I wanted him.
On Icanus speed still will be huge (65mps will make it warp through 5 minutes) but it will be using LRBBeams
so i hope it will not make a problem (Rift Cannon will be scripted anyway).
As for flying above Eclipse it will be more like a planetary mission.
I want to use carriers extensively so there will be one point where bombers appear (although you will better stay away from it because it will be a heavy carrier with escort).
Also speed of fighters will increase to around 400mps (still lower than modern fighters ,but with 800mps and corresponding side speeds it starts to act like TMP getting very hard to control witout proper interface).
If there will ever be bugless build with TMP features and INF ship limits i will make fully Newtonian version.
Still it will be almost certainly very hard to FRED so superships will appear in last part of campaign.

[High Max]

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[Dragon]

Gigas had a brief appearance in Solar Wars ,along with Icanus.
They entered the system in one mission and started to fight ,but it wasn't very intresting.
I will use at Icanus and Gigas reskins in my campaign ,and maybe it will be more intresting than watching Icanus slowly slice Gigas with it's Punisher Cannon ( or Aurora? I don't know ,in table it's just named USilv ). Gigas's BFSbspacerifts are not making much difference ,and with entire battle taking place in background it's no more than a show. So I think the only threat that Gigas presented to player in it's entire career was a moment when you see it first time ,warping through jump node. If you don't know how huge is it you will most likely get rammed (happened to me when I flew this mission first time) ,especially when you are flying a heavy fighter.
Vinaashak's appearance was even more boring ,but I think it may be used if somebody will decide to make second chapter of Solar Wars.
Also ,if you will look under the hood of Tides of Darkness ,you will see intresting Vinaashak's reskin ,so I think it will appear in TOD sequel.

[High Max]

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[Woomeister]

Well the Gargant hasn't changed really since 2001 when it was made.

[Mobius]

INF SCP may feature the SH Gargant so there's no need to release it to the public now

[eliex]

INF SCP may feature the SH Gargant so there's no need to release it to the public now

May? Just "may?"
After seeing that screenshot of the Gargant raining death on something in the INFR1 credits . . . 

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I think it's been mentioned before that the screenshot in question is inaccurate.

[Dragon]

Maybe you can do something like that:

I know two things about the Gargant: People want it and it's outdated (made in 2001 so most likely lo-poly).
Some time ago i saw this: http://councilor.deviantart.com/art/Shivan-Juggernaut-showcase-99775231
I thought that if you somewhat contact author of this model and obtain it ,you could create HTL Gargant and then release old one (please ,not on fileplanet) as another outtake.
So people will have the Gargant and you will have something new.
I will most likely not find place for him in my TC ,the only place where I seen ships of this size is the
B5 universe (compare it to Vorlon Planet Killer from TBP).
Anyway I never wanted Gargant ,just INF outtakes which are released ,but in place where I
(and apparently not only I) can't download it.
FSMods will be much better place for them.

[Mobius]

I'm afraid the polycount of large ships isn't supposed to exceed certain limits, so a HTL Gargant may not be a good idea.

[Dragon]

Of course it's a good idea ,if it will look better than now. Also ,the larger ship is ,the larger becomes each polygon ,so making it even a bit more detailed is certainly worth of it ,because now ,player will fly over huge plate ,curving somewhere on horizon. I got this feeling even over Icanus ,and Gargant is two times larger.
While it can be acceptable on Terran ship which can look like a box ,Shivan ships should have curves.
And I know you can make it even a bit better ,FSOpen raised the limits so it can have for example Hi-poly turrets.
 
Anyway I don't think you will soon release the Gargant ,so I'm uploading my own version named SH Shiva.
It's better than nothing ,reskinned DH Mothership from TBP with added thrusterglows.
It has only 18 turrets ,but the Gargant also don't have record in number of turrets ,so if you're looking for ships with high number of turrets search for "GTVA Titan" ,it has 163turrets IIRC (and I'm not talking about stratcomm's carrier ,there is a Titan juggernaut). Shiva also fits Shivan conception of not making two similar ships (Cain and Lilith are exception which confirms the rule) where it's even better than Gargant (oversized Sathanas with arms on back). You may wish to change the name ,Shiva was first that come to my mind ,but now I think "Kali" may fit better.
You will find it in "destroyers and juggernauts" category on FSMods. Have fun.

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[Snail]

I'm sorry... But... It, well, isn't better than the Gigas. The Gigas is far more detailed and doesn't have those weird tubes on the side. Also, the Gigas isn't buggy...

Keep trying though... It's always good to have more modders.

[Dragon]

So can you post picture of Gigas you're talking about?
There aren't many Gigas pictures out there ,maybe with better shot and latest mediavps it looks better.
Maybe somebody will find a use for my version ,I made it when writing the post ,from ship I never was close to ,so it's not the best model. It may be not better than Gigas ,but it's for sure better than nothing ,and nothing was what community had before I made it. Tubes are cruiser and fighter bays ,looks like purpose of
DH Mothership was deploying fighters and cruisers rather than fighting by itself.

Anyway when I started this thread I wanted to find a way to get INF outtakes ,not to discuss SH Gargant and it's replacement. It's funny how much some threads stray off topic.

[Snail]

New Gigas.

[Commander Zane]

So that's Rakshasa's daddy.
Who's the mother?

[Snail]

Probably some kind of gargantuan Moloch...

[Woomeister]

Bit more up to date shot than those old dev pics:

[Commander Zane]

So big yet so far away.

[Rhymes]

    Wow.  ME WANTS!!!!!