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Title: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on October 13, 2011, 11:49:58 am: (http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2476/unled3tj.jpg)

HERE IS THE RELEASE OF NORMAL MAPS TEXTURE (see link below)
Please test it and let me know what do you think.
If you like it (or not) you can upload and show pictures how ship look with Nmapping.

Readme
This Release contains the Nmap texture for ALL THE TBP's SHIPS. There're 373 textures (including some new textures).
If you downloaded all the other releases, DELETE THAT FOLDER AND ALL THE OLD CONTENTS.

Requiremenst
To proper see normal map texture you will need
-Download lastest Zathras (wich contains shader support)
-Download lastet build of Freespace 2 (3_6_12 it's ok, or newer)
-And of course a graphic card with pixel shaders support.
System requirements (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/OpenGL_Shaders_(GLSL)#Notes_and_system_requirements)
-Check the box "normal maps" on the graphics feature tab of the Launcher.

Install
-Just extract the "Emi's Ntextures_1.0.vp" of the rar file to your Zathras (Mod) directory, or extract it on the root directory of your TBP's instalation folder (where are the .exe files).

Note
TBP has some very small texture size (like Narn's frazi), maybe the Nmap texture don't see well.

DONWLOAD
IMPORTAT FIX:
Rename the "Emi's Ntextures_1.0.vp"file of the rar, to "0-Emi's Ntextures_1.0.vp"

Some example:

Small video showing Nmap in action..I call it Hidden in the shadows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-zEnsMWJo)

(Default TBP texture)(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2760/screen0035.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/screen0035.jpg/)+Normal Map(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9198/screen0037.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/screen0037.jpg/) = Ship with NMap(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4640/screen0036.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/715/screen0036.jpg/)

(Default TBP texture)(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/259/screen0030.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/411/screen0030.jpg/)+Normal Map(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5001/screen0028.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/screen0028.jpg/) = Ship with NMap(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6690/screen0029.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/screen0029.jpg/)

Some info if you don't know what normal maps is:
Normal_mapping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_mapping)
Bump_mapping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_mapping)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1
Post by: emi_100 on October 13, 2011, 11:59:49 am: Link now working
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1
Post by: Dragon on October 13, 2011, 12:00:50 pm: Amazing work.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1 & R2
Post by: emi_100 on October 14, 2011, 08:28:14 pm: Updates (main post), R2 it's here.
I prefer release them in packs, because if I'll wait do all texture and only then release it, is possible that nothing comes to light.
Otherwise, is very comfortable and safe this way.
Please check it, some feedback it's wellcome.

@Dragon
thanks man!
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2 & R3
Post by: emi_100 on October 16, 2011, 05:31:00 am: R3 is here with some news Nmaps and some updates.
More soon.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4
Post by: emi_100 on October 22, 2011, 10:39:30 pm: R4 is available for download now.
It contains Nmaps, and new updates textures for some vorlons ships, and Baylon 5 station.
Please, feedback of this changes are welcome.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4
Post by: guitarfan01 on October 23, 2011, 11:16:53 pm: pics?
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4
Post by: emi_100 on October 24, 2011, 04:56:56 pm: You can download it and upload some pics :)
I don't know why, but i cant take screenshoots (windows 7 x64), anyone have a clue?

-EDIT- Never mind, "Run as Adm" issue, I'll upload some pics
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4
Post by: emi_100 on October 25, 2011, 09:50:53 pm: Main post update with examples pics.
And here are more
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4350/screen0039.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/screen0039.jpg/) (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9176/screen0038.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/screen0038.jpg/) (http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3003/screen0034.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/85/screen0034.jpg/) (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6200/screen0033f.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/screen0033f.jpg/) (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/811/screen0032d.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/screen0032d.jpg/) (http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3584/screen0031f.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/screen0031f.jpg/) (http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/606/screen0027l.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/screen0027l.jpg/) (http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8617/screen0026.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/257/screen0026.jpg/) (http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6873/screen0025.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/screen0025.jpg/) (http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7048/screen0023.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/screen0023.jpg/) (http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8914/screen0022.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/510/screen0022.jpg/) (http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3595/screen0021.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/screen0021.jpg/) (http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8474/screen0019.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/screen0019.jpg/) (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7295/screen0017.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/screen0017.jpg/) (http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4098/screen0015.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/screen0015.jpg/) (http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/2036/screen0014.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/screen0014.jpg/) (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3388/screen0012h.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/screen0012h.jpg/) (http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5052/screen0011b.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/screen0011b.jpg/) (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3711/screen0010s.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/screen0010s.jpg/) (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8199/screen0009.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/225/screen0009.jpg/) (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7678/screen0007p.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/screen0007p.jpg/) (http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3921/screen0006.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/401/screen0006.jpg/) (http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4794/screen0005c.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/148/screen0005c.jpg/)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 25, 2011, 10:25:34 pm: You know what the next release of Zathras should be named?

The coming of Shadows

YYYEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

EDIT: Which actually reminds me. Animated normal maps are possible. Will you make such for the Shadows? ;7
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 26, 2011, 03:37:05 pm: Quote from: Herra Tohtori on October 25, 2011, 10:25:34 pm
You know what the next release of Zathras should be named?
The coming of Shadows
YYYEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
hahahah :)

Quote from: Herra Tohtori on October 25, 2011, 10:25:34 pm
EDIT: Which actually reminds me. Animated normal maps are possible. Will you make such for the Shadows? ;7
woo! that's sound interesting. I did not know that, can you tell me how it works please? I don't have a clue
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 26, 2011, 03:43:53 pm: Quote from: emi_100 on October 26, 2011, 03:37:05 pm
Quote from: Herra Tohtori on October 25, 2011, 10:25:34 pm
EDIT: Which actually reminds me. Animated normal maps are possible. Will you make such for the Shadows? ;7
woo! that's sound interesting. I did not know that, can you tell me how it works please? I don't have a clue

Well it works the same as all other animations these days. You make the animation frames as filename_0000.dds, then make a filename.eff file that contains reference to the number and frame rate of the animation frames. Our Wiki has more information (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Multimedia_Files#EFF).

In this case you would need to first make a looping animation of the heightmap variations, then convert each heightmap frame to normal map at same settings, and there you got an animated normal map. Thankfully the surface animation is probably doable with a fairly short looping animation.

If I recall right, Shadow vessels already have animated diffuse map, or possibly a shinemap. This might or might not provide useful starting point for creating the animation. I don't remember exactly how it looks like, I should really re-acquire TBP...
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 26, 2011, 04:22:57 pm: Thanks for the info Herra, I'll post the results soon!
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 27, 2011, 06:30:40 pm: Quote from: Herra Tohtori on October 26, 2011, 03:43:53 pm
Well it works the same as all other animations these days. You make the animation frames as filename_0000.dds, then make a filename.eff file that contains reference to the number and frame rate of the animation frames. Our Wiki has more information (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Multimedia_Files#EFF).
In this case you would need to first make a looping animation of the heightmap variations, then convert each heightmap frame to normal map at same settings, and there you got an animated normal map. Thankfully the surface animation is probably doable with a fairly short looping animation.

If I recall right, Shadow vessels already have animated diffuse map, or possibly a shinemap. This might or might not provide useful starting point for creating the animation. I don't remember exactly how it looks like, I should really re-acquire TBP...
Well, I made shine maps for each individual animated *.dds file of Shadow vessel, It works.
Them i made Normal map for each individual animated *.dds file again.. but nothing. I don't know why, it's not working.

HERE is what i got.. (model, shine map, diffuse and normal).
If you see something wrong Herra, any help is useful
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: Dragon on October 27, 2011, 06:52:55 pm: You're doing it wrong.
It should be:
shadowa_00**
shadowa-normal_00**
shadowa-shine_00**

I'm sure that the "animated shine" effect comes from animated diffuse.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 27, 2011, 08:17:53 pm: Here is what works well for me. (http://www.mediafire.com/?5ppkfbixugq9ftu).

Note, however, one thing. This does not include a shine map at all.

A shine map, for this ship, makes it look worse. The two LOD's that use the shine map (LOD0,LOD1) become visibly brighter than the other two LOD's, and in my opinion unsuitably bright for Shadows. Things simply seem to work best when there's simply the animated diffuse texture, and animated normal map. It produces quite a nice effect.

I don't know what is the best way to deal with that situation on TBP, though. If you need to have the shine map there, I guess it's best to have that animated as well, but it might benefit from some darkening. Or it may not. I'm not really feeling the urge to experiment, I'll leave that to you. But here's animated normal map that works for sure.

Oh and another thing.

Why in the name of Barduk the Two-Thousand-Faced Goat is the model file using four texture slots (shadowa, shadowb, shadowc and shadowd) when it could use just one (shadowa) mip mapped DDS file? This is just silly, unless there's some extremely good reason for it. I included a model where the texture references were changed to shadowa for the lower LOD's, but I think the model still uses four texture slots.

It would probably be a lot more efficient to change the model to use just one texture slot, as having textured LOD's has been an obsolete solution for quite a long time...

(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1703/spycrab.png)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 27, 2011, 09:28:32 pm: Thank for the replay Dragon and Herra, a lot.
The wrong thing I was doing it was missing the "*.eff" file for the normal and shine: "shadowa-normal.eff" and "shadowa-shine.eff".
Now it works! and the result are good.
I'll made new normals, more acurrated, and I will upload the result,
Thanks again guys :)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 27, 2011, 11:24:47 pm: Well it's done, the result of the Shadows's skin with the new Nmap are truly good. Is a "must see" normal map effect. I just started again the best Campaign (in my opinion) "Dark Children".
Now I only want to see the new Shadow vessel's cloak effect in action :)

I will upload the texture on the next and final (..I hope) release. Just a Preview...

Default TBP's texture===>(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6065/screen0046.th.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/screen0046.jpg/)===> Nmap===>(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/415/screen0048d.th.jpg) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/screen0048d.jpg/)

Default TBP's model ===>(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2918/screen0050g.th.jpg) (http://img573.imageshack.us/i/screen0050g.jpg/)===> Nmap===>(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9526/screen0051.th.jpg) (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/screen0051.jpg/)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: Dragon on October 28, 2011, 02:36:48 am: Quote from: Herra Tohtori on October 27, 2011, 08:17:53 pm
Why in the name of Barduk the Two-Thousand-Faced Goat is the model file using four texture slots (shadowa, shadowb, shadowc and shadowd) when it could use just one (shadowa) mip mapped DDS file? This is just silly, unless there's some extremely good reason for it. I included a model where the texture references were changed to shadowa for the lower LOD's, but I think the model still uses four texture slots.

It would probably be a lot more efficient to change the model to use just one texture slot, as having textured LOD's has been an obsolete solution for quite a long time...
This is one of the reasons I consider TBP models so outdated. This method has been long obsolete, but you'll find it used on a lot of ships.
Hopefully, Zatharas will fix this issue (and all other bugs these models are plagued with).
Fortunately, thanks to emi_100, even these old models are getting a new life through the new textures.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 28, 2011, 04:10:23 pm: Here is a small video showing Nmap in action.. and new Epsilon background

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=YN4P5N4K (http://www.megavideo.com/?v=YN4P5N4K)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: CaptJosh on October 28, 2011, 05:13:01 pm: Geeze. I think that looks even creepier than the original ship in the show...
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: Deadly in a Shadow on October 29, 2011, 07:52:39 am: The Tinashi looks totally awesome. This normal mappack demands a replay of TBP.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 29, 2011, 08:42:52 am: Thanks a lot guys :)
Please, standby until the final release of the Nmap pack.
And stay tuned.. I will upload a small video ASAP.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 29, 2011, 10:42:00 am: Well, here is the "new" small video, is like the other one.. but with a little production.
I call it Hidden in the shadows (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-zEnsMWJo). I hope you enjoy it.

Another thing..
I want to do the normal map of this moon like land, the problem is I can't find it on TBP core.
Can anyone upload it? It's only just one image texture, would be helpful. And the result could be great.
Here is it, is used on the "Dark Children" Campaign.
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2357/screen0056.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/screen0056.jpg/)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 29, 2011, 10:45:16 am: It should be found on Raider Wars VP file(s?). Can't remember the file name exactly but it might be named something like "landscape.pof".

Also, I suggest reducing the animated texture's frame rate to 20 FPS, or 15 FPS if it can take it without looking like a slide show.

Right now, at 30 FPS, it is making the surface animation too frantically fast to look much like the shadows on the show. just an opinion of mine, but you definitely might want to at least test things with reduced frame rate...
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps R1, R2, R3 & R4 (with screenshots)
Post by: emi_100 on October 29, 2011, 12:00:42 pm: Thanks for the tips Herra.
I found it! It was more hidden.. on the "effects" folder, on ther VP core.
And I'll test the FPS reduction.

EDIT: yes, definitely at 20 FPS the shadow's skin looks even better, organic and alive.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download R1, R2, R3 & R4 (screenshots & video)
Post by: guitarfan01 on October 29, 2011, 02:49:17 pm: Wow, thanks for the pics and vids - they look great!
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on November 05, 2011, 12:11:57 pm: Well, finaly is finished.
Donwload link is on the main post. I made a *.vp file that contains all the textures. THERE ARE 373!
Instruction are there.
Test it and let me know if I forgot to made one of them.
YOU MUST SEE THE NEW DRAKH, SHADOWS AND FIRST ONES SKIN

That¡s all for now.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on November 05, 2011, 04:53:45 pm: IMPORTAT FIX:
Rename the "Emi's Ntextures_1.0.vp"file of the rar, to "0-Emi's Ntextures_1.0.vp"
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on November 22, 2011, 07:18:04 pm: Some more pics here ..
(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2806/screen0077.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/screen0077.jpg/)

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8876/screen0058.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/screen0058.jpg/)

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1522/screen0057.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/5/screen0057.jpg/)

(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4550/screen0054.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/36/screen0054.jpg/)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on November 26, 2011, 10:38:16 am: Just a glow map update example. Don't want to open a new topic

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7546/screen0000b.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/screen0000b.jpg/)
WIP
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: Dragon on November 26, 2011, 05:17:49 pm: Looks good.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on November 26, 2011, 07:21:44 pm: Thanks Dragon. Here are couple more

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3529/screen0010.jpg)

(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8199/screen0009.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/screen0009.jpg/) (http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8817/screen0008y.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/screen0008y.jpg/) (http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/4822/screen0007o.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/screen0007o.jpg/) (http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3475/screen0006m.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/screen0006m.jpg/)
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: Slasher on December 15, 2011, 08:54:20 pm: Wow, it looks like you even bump mapped the animated Shadow textures. Nice work. Gonna be trying this out very soon.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: Vidmaster on December 16, 2011, 01:28:44 am: nice nice
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: technopredator on January 01, 2012, 07:06:39 pm: Very good work! Do you have a thread with the tools you use? would be great if you had one indicating with links how to do sucha wonderful job or just the names of the tools; I want to start in 3D modelling of spaceships, I really like it. Any links or help would be great.

Also I'd like to ask if those maps can be of use with other mods? or what modifications you need to make it work with other mods?

Forgot to say: Happy & Prosper New Year!
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on January 10, 2012, 05:51:49 am: Thanks guys. When i have time i'll make a post with all the tool i use, IMHO are the best for work with Freespace engine.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on May 23, 2012, 09:02:15 am: Download temporarily offline.
I will upload a new release with some fixed soon.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: emi_100 on December 19, 2012, 06:18:26 pm: The new Release of Emi's Nmaps and modified Diffuse and Glow maps will be (maybe) on the next Zathras. So if you want to test it download from there.
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: technopredator on January 02, 2013, 12:53:34 am: It's been almost a year and you haven't had the time to name a few software names?
Title: Re: Emi's Nomals Maps Download (screenshots & video)
Post by: IPAndrews on January 10, 2013, 05:41:14 pm: emi_100. I stop by and check for your updates every few months and I have to admit I've become quite a fan. I think the work you've done is absolutely spectacular. You've made a bunch of crappy old low polygon models from a bygone era look considerably less crappy. The amount of (non-existent) detail you manage to convey with just textures is amazing. I just wanted to say thank you for the work you have done.