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Archived Boards => The Archive => Terran-Vasudan War => Topic started by: Solatar on October 20, 2002, 10:00:21 am
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Here is a list of the ships we still need. if anybody has any free time, and doesn't know what to do with it. Consider making one of these:
Apollo Bomber Variant-
Mustang Alpha ( Fighter )
Mustang Beta ( Bomber )
GTD Reliant ( Its coming along, we aldo's doing it )
A Vasudan fighter(s more fighters)
PVD Savior ( Contact Thor, it needs texturing )
A few Vasudan Warships-Science vessel, frigates, or maybe even another cruiser.
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Ask Ace about using the Sthenno once I've done it (Medusa prototype I said I'd help do for the Cardinal Spear redux). Have an idea for an Aten-esque style warship too, though I guess you've got that covered.
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AFAIK, we need all the Vasudan ships we can get. What did you have in mind?
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Originally posted by Goober5000
AFAIK, we need all the Vasudan ships we can get. What did you have in mind?
well - and I've not actually even done concept art for this yet - think of the Aten. Then massively enlarge the 'arms', make them curve down and into the centre more (like a 'scoop almost), add an enlarged circular section to the topm for the bridge, and add to the bottom aswell. Just a very early idea, though.... not sure how well it'll work.
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I'd like some older, cheaper, stations for both Terran and Vasudans. Also, I had a neat idea (stolen from Star Wars of all places) for a gas mining station inside gas giants (allows for quasi-nebula missions).
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Now that could be cool.
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Originally posted by Hades
Here is a list of the ships we still need. if anybody has any free time, and doesn't know what to do with it. Consider making one of these:
Apollo Bomber Variant-
Mustang Alpha ( Fighter )
Mustang Beta ( Bomber )
GTD Reliant ( Its coming along, we aldo's doing it )
A Vasudan fighter(s more fighters)
PVD Savior ( Contact Thor, it needs texturing )
A few Vasudan Warships-Science vessel, frigates, or maybe even another cruiser.
I can help at least with concepts I got a ship like the apollo but with three engenes, it would be perfect for the mod as it's skin is in great detail and it needs a home it could serve as the Alpha fighter model or as a diffrent ship all together
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Originally posted by Hades
Here is a list of the ships we still need. if anybody has any free time, and doesn't know what to do with it. Consider making one of these:
Apollo Bomber Variant-
Mustang Alpha ( Fighter )
Mustang Beta ( Bomber )
GTD Reliant ( Its coming along, we aldo's doing it )
A Vasudan fighter(s more fighters)
PVD Savior ( Contact Thor, it needs texturing )
A few Vasudan Warships-Science vessel, frigates, or maybe even another cruiser.
-ask Fozzy - he did a reskin IIRC
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- Like I said, ask Ace for the Sethenno... I can fairly easily do a variant
- underway... uv's done, anyway. not turreted, LODed or debrisfied, tho.
- (Agrees) Good luck on this one - methinks you'll need it
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- Ignore me last post - the ship turned out crap. You should get some specific stuff down for this - but limit it to what you NEED. The T-V war can be done, IMO, with very few ships added to the FS1 set.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
-ask Fozzy - he did a reskin IIRC
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- Like I said, ask Ace for the Sethenno... I can fairly easily do a variant
- underway... uv's done, anyway. not turreted, LODed or debrisfied, tho.
- (Agrees) Good luck on this one - methinks you'll need it
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- Ignore me last post - the ship turned out crap. You should get some specific stuff down for this - but limit it to what you NEED. The T-V war can be done, IMO, with very few ships added to the FS1 set.
Thats what I was hopeing from the start of the mod too many ships are pland and you only need like 5.
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Actually, we do need a few more ships. The Unification War ended in 2317. Fs1 was in 2335. Almost two decades before fs1 we need five new ships? No.
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I'd say we might be aiming at the same amount of new stuff that was introduced in FS2. Maybe less because that was three decades or something.
EDIT: And how do I change my title?
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Change your title in the Edit profile page. Unless Shrike didn't allow the option for you to change them.
Also, Hudzy, have you downloaded the release? You no longer have to go into Fileplanet.
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Originally posted by Hades
Actually, we do need a few more ships. The Unification War ended in 2317. Fs1 was in 2335. Almost two decades before fs1 we need five new ships? No.
Why not? Think about it.... firstly, scrap your FS1-FS2 reference because;
1/ FS2 was a sequel - it needed more, more, more!
2/ FS2 was after the GTVa faced a massive military foe, vastly superior in technology... it outdated everything used beforehand.
3/ FS2 had more of an emphasis on destroyers than fS1... due to beam weaponry, a single destroyer was far less powerful than it might be - thus you need more of them to make an impact
4/ Thje alliance led to the strength of combined arms - no enemy to deal with, shared resources, and a need to rebuild. As a result, revitialising the fleet wasn;t just necessarry - it was inevitable.
5/ even so, a number of FS1-era craft had survived 30 years or so to the FS1 period... the Leviathan / Fenris was still the staple cruiser, and the Orion was yet to be fully superceded by the Hecate.
Also, the T-V war is a completely different paradigm, more akin to World War 1;
- neither side would have encountered a hostile race, and thus has no need to build up forces prior to contact
- both sides were evenly matched from the start, and both commands probably thought they could win the war with existing resources
- you don't NEED capship battles... FS1 was largely about fighter Vs fighter duels. The limited losses given for the Typhon and Orion during the war emphasis this. Thus, no need for numerous capships.
- Subspace tech was very new.... a lot of R & D would go into keeping it working and refining it. In FS2, and even the start of FS1, this would less of an issue. Ditto for weapons technology.
I think you may be going over the top here with the mods.... just replace the FS1 ships that are too new(Hercules, Medusa, Ursa, Ulysses, the Vasudan ones), maybe add in the odd small installation, and you'll have more than enough. At the moment the focus of the campaign seems to be straying a bit too close to a collection of random mods, rather than a cohesive 'history'. And if you want poeple to play this, you need a top-notch set of missions, not mods.... look at Silent Threat for an example of the sort of content you need - because this is effectively a fan-made expansion pack, given the subject matter.
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Not to be rude. But Orions were getting destroyed a lot. But we only managed to destroy two Typhons. What is dealing out the damage?
We ABSOLUTELY need three things. Well, three ships. A fighter and bomber for the Unification War, and the Apollo bomber.
Every new model we have has been put to good use. I'm still trying to find a suitable place in the war for your cutter though:D. We are doing the MOD for the ENTIRE UNIFICATION WAR AND 14 YEAR WAR. That's twenty years.
Vasudans need a navy. Also, I'm currently looking for a Reliant ) Eishtmo wants one ) And again, the Vasudans need a military.
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Originally posted by Hades
Not to be rude. But Orions were getting destroyed a lot. But we only managed to destroy two Typhons. What is dealing out the damage?
Let's see...during FS1, what capital ships were destroyed that we know of?
Terran:
Amadeus (not seen)
Galatea
Krios, if you include Silent Threat
Vasudan:
Anvil
Another Anvil
We also know that the Hope is "one of the few remaining Typhon class destroyers" since the HOL decimated the Vasudan fleet at Vega.
I agree with aldo; there was a lot less emphasis on capship battles in FS1. I remember feeling like the destruction of the Galatea was a major event. We can still have capship battles, but they should be infrequent. The emphasis should be on fleet infrastructure: cargo, supply lines, transportation, cruiser escort.
Vasudans need a navy. Also, I'm currently looking for a Reliant ) Eishtmo wants one ) And again, the Vasudans need a military.
:wtf: Huh? What about the Reliant that aldo is making? How's it coming, btw, aldo?
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Sorry, I just had to get one more post. I'm American and I had 911 posts.:D
Anyway, I think that the TVWar was mostly like the first few missions in fs1. With the odd fleet battle here and there.
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Originally posted by Hades
Not to be rude. But Orions were getting destroyed a lot. But we only managed to destroy two Typhons. What is dealing out the damage?
We ABSOLUTELY need three things. Well, three ships. A fighter and bomber for the Unification War, and the Apollo bomber.
Every new model we have has been put to good use. I'm still trying to find a suitable place in the war for your cutter though:D. We are doing the MOD for the ENTIRE UNIFICATION WAR AND 14 YEAR WAR. That's twenty years.
Vasudans need a navy. Also, I'm currently looking for a Reliant ) Eishtmo wants one ) And again, the Vasudans need a military.
Dump the cutter. It's overgunned and , IMO, not very FS-ey (let alone FS1-style).
And Orions can't have been destroyed that much - otherwise the loss of one would be considered more 'acceptable'. In FS1 the loss of a destroyer is considered a massive blow.... I'm not sure a 14 year war is viable.... it degenerated into stalemate towards the end, anyway - and that's not particularly great story wise. IMO you should cover the key periods, like the start (and why0, and some of the crucial battles. I see the TV was as VERY similar to WW1... intial pushes degenrating into a long, bloody slaughter for a few entrenched nodes. Think of Operation Thresher as the Battle of the Somme and you'll what I mean.
And the Unification war, is completely non-canon. IMO you don't need it for a T-V campaign.
Incidentally the Reliant is udnerway. The hull is done, but I'm finishing off something else first.
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We have reasons why the Unification War is related to the TVWar. In fact, it is VERY related.:devil:
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Damn strate You are all pouting too much into mods and not story! and in WW1 we did not have 10 bomber classes, nor 12 fighter, and distroyers where a new concept at the time so you only need five ships at most and I like that becauce it doable, and would not pout too much strane on the moders who make all this stuff, and ontop of that in WW1 we had vary little weapons, in terms of types, not to say we also just made the Tank, in that War!!
Also it makes things more intresting to see what you can do with only five new ships and thats fine as for a new Vasudan ship? no they got plenty to spear, and you need sotry not mods to speak for the project! take War Zone, that hadd vary littile mods but the story kicked ass thats whay it's soo popular.
I would aggre with the last post on the U War it's not CANNON! and this is called the T-V War Project! not U-WAR/T-V WAR!
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I don't mean to piss on your little head, or be THAT mean. But the Unification War leads up to the TVWar. Vasudan contact was only about a week after the UW.
Heck. This is the TVWP, fine, we're doing the Unification War right now.
DON'T DOWNLOAD THE ****ING THING IF YOU HATE IT SO MUCH!
We can't do this with Apollos. We DO need some ships. And we have all the ships we need now.
EDIT: Except for the Relaint.