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Can we get someone to just AI Voice Over new missions with Robert Loggia etc...
Title basically, new guy here, cant express my gratitude to this community, brings back childhood vibes and tears... and some sort of reminiscent feeling of something that once was. Few years back i would glance at my past and think about this game and the fact that this jewel can never be repeated due to the various circumstances such as your youth, the time this was set in, the voice actors... or can it ?

Can we get someone with more time on their hands to do full fledged missions using pre-trained AI voice model feeding on various original voice actors from actual lines in the game ? We can get them to say anythin we want now, and preserve that original tone of voice of Samsa, Petrarch, Bosch, hell why not even the translated Vasudan voice.

Lets go community, we have the gift of AI in our hands, you know what must be done :D

 

Offline mjn.mixael

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Re: Can we get someone to just AI Voice Over new missions with Robert Loggia etc...
You mean aside from the fact that recreating actors digitally without their consent is ethically questionable and often against what they or their living estate would want?

Aside from that little issue, AI tools are never the magic bullet that they are advertised to be. They take serious effort to get the results you want and even then they still draw you a woman with 16 fingers. And yes there is an audio version of that.. it's often weird cadence with a stilted performance. Ask Darius who uses AI generated voices for all of Solaris (not dead-actor recreations, but just generally available AI voices) and how much effort it takes to get each line right.
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Re: Can we get someone to just AI Voice Over new missions with Robert Loggia etc...
:welcomeblue:

While I appreciate the ideas, I'm not sure AI voicing is quite at the drop-in point yet.  More significantly, I question the ethics and possibly legality of using AI to recreate the voices of real actors.  I doubt HLP/FSO wants that kind of attention if someone (or their estate) objects.   :)

edit: mjn.mixael already said it better than me lol
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Re: Can we get someone to just AI Voice Over new missions with Robert Loggia etc...
Yes, I understand both the legal, and moral implications here. However:

Scientists assured us that we have all the data we need to rebuild the Kn...  new community made missions and have realistic briefings by the original voice actors in the FS2 universe.

 

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Re: Can we get someone to just AI Voice Over new missions with Robert Loggia etc...
I won't repeat the legal and primary ethical argument against AI recreations, but there is another point that needs to be made:

The recreation of know talent by AI is raising the entry hurdles for new and developing talents, similarly to the preferential hiring of same famous talents over and over.  This is not only a problem for voice acting talent but also for the producing side, as the variety and diversity of talent can be throttled by this.

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Re: Can we get someone to just AI Voice Over new missions with Robert Loggia etc...
Coming out of lurking for a rare post, because I think the landscape around Generative AI is going to get insane over the next few months. I fully recognise that the post sounds over the top and is a total soapbox - and if someone can snap me out of it with a good rebuttal I will be grateful.

Firstly, welcome to the community Snowcatcher! Your idea clearly comes from a good place, that I think we can all appreciate. Freespace had a great impact on all of us, and we want to keep a good thing going. There is huge potential in AI, and already a lot of tangible tools that would have been completely unthinkable even 3 or 4 years ago. I don't in any way want to stifle the enthusiasm and positivity you are showing, which are awesome, but I want to address this topic in a more general sense. The post gets a little deeper than what you brought up, because I think we're all going to be facing increased dilemmas in this space in the coming couple of years.

Good posts already about ethics, legality, and damage to entry level workers :yes:

The Knossos is actually a great analogy. It had the power to connect humanity back to roots that it had lost, and make humanity feel whole again. But it also opened the door to a second Shivan Incursion that threatened humanity's very existence.

We have this great AI Voice Acting technology - it still comes with its own workload, but the tools will continue to improve and eventually it will become pretty straightforward. Cool. But why stop there?
Using something like ChatGPT, we could generate the command briefing text and dialogue. In fact, we could go one step further and generate entire campaign ideas, which can be filled in with mission-by-mission scripts. Video AI is hitting its stride this year, so I'm sure we'll get to a point of being able to create command briefings and even full cutscenes this way. There are actually 3D model generators out there in beta testing right now, so very soon we could begin to add an endless variety of new ships. And I've just heard the first convincing examples of music generated by AI (including lyrics and cover art, by the way!), so pretty soon we can add endless soundtrack options to the equation (which is the field I have enjoyed contributing to the community).

Sooner or later, I'm sure LLMs will get to a point where they can churn out a proper FS2 mission file, and tables, given a few examples. Actually, I just checked this - Microsoft Copilot can already generate something that is in the ballpark; though far from perfect, and quite a simple example, I haven't even tried to tighten my prompting or look for a more specialised AI to do this sort of thing.

Given the above, in the near-ish future anyone will be able to independently churn out an epic campaign in a week, as close or as far from the FS vibe as they want. That truly sounds awesome... I mean, I have had a couple of campaign ideas floating in my head for decades now, and I could finally see them happen.

Then we'll basically have endless new FS content... I don't know about any one else, but my free time hasn't been growing lately. So I won't even begin to touch all of the content. Maybe I won't ever touch anyone else's content - after all, I can make exactly the campaigns I want to play, with all of the content I need to keep it fresh. And forget about contributing music to anyone else's campaigns, I would just slow them down or get in the way of their own creativity. No more theorising about lore, or discussion about campaigns, because no one will be playing the same stuff anymore.

Meanwhile, AI is doing the same thing in many areas of intellectual labour. Junior programmers get cut out, marketing teams are eliminated, Hollywood starts churning out fully AI generated films, IT departments are cut by 80%, etc. No one will have time, energy or spare money for hobbies anymore because we're all fighting to be underpaid and overworked by a limited number of jobs. Good thing our entertainment will come cheaper, more personalised and with even less effort than before.

We'll all have to think critically about where we are going to draw lines, not just in this community but in almost everything we are involved in. To be fair, the FS community is small enough that it feels more justified to use these tools than it might in other circles... But we have to be careful we don't get too caught up exploring the other side of the Knossos, otherwise the jump node will stabilise and there will be no escape. (It may already too late.)



With that existential rant out of the way... Some of the existing community content is amazingly well done, so before you get too caught up in the desire for new adventures from old characters, make sure you check out the new adventures from new characters. :cool:

  

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Re: Can we get someone to just AI Voice Over new missions with Robert Loggia etc...
Coming out of lurking for a rare post, because I think the landscape around Generative AI is going to get insane over the next few months. I fully recognise that the post sounds over the top and is a total soapbox - and if someone can snap me out of it with a good rebuttal I will be grateful.

Firstly, welcome to the community Snowcatcher! Your idea clearly comes from a good place, that I think we can all appreciate. Freespace had a great impact on all of us, and we want to keep a good thing going. There is huge potential in AI, and already a lot of tangible tools that would have been completely unthinkable even 3 or 4 years ago. I don't in any way want to stifle the enthusiasm and positivity you are showing, which are awesome, but I want to address this topic in a more general sense. The post gets a little deeper than what you brought up, because I think we're all going to be facing increased dilemmas in this space in the coming couple of years.

Good posts already about ethics, legality, and damage to entry level workers :yes:

The Knossos is actually a great analogy. It had the power to connect humanity back to roots that it had lost, and make humanity feel whole again. But it also opened the door to a second Shivan Incursion that threatened humanity's very existence.

We have this great AI Voice Acting technology - it still comes with its own workload, but the tools will continue to improve and eventually it will become pretty straightforward. Cool. But why stop there?
Using something like ChatGPT, we could generate the command briefing text and dialogue. In fact, we could go one step further and generate entire campaign ideas, which can be filled in with mission-by-mission scripts. Video AI is hitting its stride this year, so I'm sure we'll get to a point of being able to create command briefings and even full cutscenes this way. There are actually 3D model generators out there in beta testing right now, so very soon we could begin to add an endless variety of new ships. And I've just heard the first convincing examples of music generated by AI (including lyrics and cover art, by the way!), so pretty soon we can add endless soundtrack options to the equation (which is the field I have enjoyed contributing to the community).

Sooner or later, I'm sure LLMs will get to a point where they can churn out a proper FS2 mission file, and tables, given a few examples. Actually, I just checked this - Microsoft Copilot can already generate something that is in the ballpark; though far from perfect, and quite a simple example, I haven't even tried to tighten my prompting or look for a more specialised AI to do this sort of thing.

Given the above, in the near-ish future anyone will be able to independently churn out an epic campaign in a week, as close or as far from the FS vibe as they want. That truly sounds awesome... I mean, I have had a couple of campaign ideas floating in my head for decades now, and I could finally see them happen.

Then we'll basically have endless new FS content... I don't know about any one else, but my free time hasn't been growing lately. So I won't even begin to touch all of the content. Maybe I won't ever touch anyone else's content - after all, I can make exactly the campaigns I want to play, with all of the content I need to keep it fresh. And forget about contributing music to anyone else's campaigns, I would just slow them down or get in the way of their own creativity. No more theorising about lore, or discussion about campaigns, because no one will be playing the same stuff anymore.

Meanwhile, AI is doing the same thing in many areas of intellectual labour. Junior programmers get cut out, marketing teams are eliminated, Hollywood starts churning out fully AI generated films, IT departments are cut by 80%, etc. No one will have time, energy or spare money for hobbies anymore because we're all fighting to be underpaid and overworked by a limited number of jobs. Good thing our entertainment will come cheaper, more personalised and with even less effort than before.

We'll all have to think critically about where we are going to draw lines, not just in this community but in almost everything we are involved in. To be fair, the FS community is small enough that it feels more justified to use these tools than it might in other circles... But we have to be careful we don't get too caught up exploring the other side of the Knossos, otherwise the jump node will stabilise and there will be no escape. (It may already too late.)



With that existential rant out of the way... Some of the existing community content is amazingly well done, so before you get too caught up in the desire for new adventures from old characters, make sure you check out the new adventures from new characters. :cool:


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