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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Silent Threat: Reborn => FreeSpace Conversion => Phoenix => Topic started by: Aadarsh on November 16, 1926, 01:39:14 am
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I wonder if there's any point in continuing to send these transmissions, if we're all going to die pretty soon regardless. If humanity goes extinct, the GTI will be the least of our problems. Right now the GTI is scrambling to figure out a way to deal with the Shivans as well as their own fleet losses, so I doubt they have time to get into too much trouble anyway. I'll probably still keep an eye on them, if only out of habit. Now if only I could dig myself out from this mountain of work they've given me...
The brass are having conniptions over a message that Intelligence recently intercepted from the Vasudans, and I managed to snag a hard copy. I haven't had time to translate it yet, but anything that freaks out the GTI has got to be good news for us. Provided it isn't caused by the Shivans, anyway.
(http://holonet.hard-light.net/restricted/aadarsh/yosterbah.png)
I recommend against using Googleplex or any of the holonet-based translation services, just in case the GTI has its fingers where it shouldn't. That's probably more paranoid than necessary, but you never know.
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You've got to be kidding me.
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Someone call for the linguistics department? :drevil:
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I'll just leave this here.
[attachment deleted by necromancer]
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I'm translating it now (well, translating the characters into English lettering, we'll deal with the translation of the meaning for later).
Note: Now done correcting. Translate away!
First line: VASUDAT BISANTINAT YORCHAH Vasudan Imperial Navy
GUJETAKAT HERODOTAT MAASISEH (?) Historical (?)
ROTOLKRONAYELAT JIMUUCHAH Administrative (?)
TOTHAPUD - ROTOLKRONAYELAH VBY HERODOTAT MAASISOL - - (?) - (?) (?) Historical (?) All of this (1-7) looks like the heading of a letter, possibly the recipient's unit, greetings, etc.
AMENTEPAPAX - YELIKROKAH 13AT KARIGALOSOL OX VBK (?) - Admiral 13th (?) and (?)
ROKARABIMOL - UROL BASIROSAT KOYALEH - - (?) - His Flagship
OSOBUULJOY OX SAVASUUDAH. (?) and Sa-Vasuda I remember Sa Vasuda being used in STL as the Vasudan equivalent of "Pilot Attend", so I'll roll with that here.
OSID KALINGAD- OSIX KOLUUMBAROR FLEEGRUXEH KU ADOL You honor me - (?) (?) to report (?) (?)
JOVIBAT CHARIDEDAPOS HATORAKARIX WAABEKIDOY VASUUDOL recent flame? the work (?) of Vasuda
NALABO'ASTELITOSOY. ADIX GOVALITOS WA SOLOMONARUT (?)'(?). I commend you (?) (?)
VARKAR OX WA ESOMUUSIX CHINOBAR- UUNATOK MUUSOL done and (?) (?) remember- (?) (?)
ONOGAKOY. MOYUUREH NEERITAT- OX MEKONISERAH ABOMUUSOR horrors. (?) (?)- and (?) the past
OSOYOLOY YULGAAMOFIXOY FOTUR CHINOBIH OX OX OSOYOLOY (?) (?) it is necessary to remember (?) (?)
SAGAAMOFIXOY. OX HERODOTAH URIBIX HARSAT FONOGRUR KAN
CHINOBIH GABUR HOYAT.
SUUPAX LIVASUUDAT JUUNIYAT MIJERLAH URIBIX GABUR-
LITERAT ROHERODOTIX ABOBALUU'OSOY DOS KARIGIX FONOGRAH
. LOLOLAT JOSYACHOGOR/OLOFAT BANSAYAT GUUBEROY\. amuse (?)/(?) myriad (?)
URIBIX YOCLEPUR- OX ANTAS LITERAPUD URIBIX SARUT
KONISERUR. OSITETOS KU WOSIKAFAT HATORAKIX ESOTUUVAD.
ROHERODOTAH FONOGRAT GERLUUSIX SOLENTAT NAXUUSOR history recorded (?) personal node
HOLONETOL VORULTAT KADARANTAPOS NALABOTUUSIPUR. TEDARUT Holonet game (?) (?). (?)
HELIXEXAD/CHARIDEDAH 3\NIKAPAX YOREKCHAROR.
LOSINKAH GABUR CHOGAH JUUVAKAT ROKUBRIKOL ADOL
KOYALAPOS.
DOS YOSTERBIX WA ADOL ODOBRITIH NEERITARUT OKUUROS. (?) (?) (?) (?) (?) humble (?)
SARUT MEKEXAD.
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if only i could remember where i left that vasudan font D: EDIT: Nvm, seems like Roz did something useful and re-posted the font to avoid me the pain of digging it up, thanks.
i shall dig for it now... but i am certainly not translating it now... i guess i can wait for others to do the job and see what happens :lol:
BTW: that attachment in Roz post is the vasudan font, geez dude, you could at least post what it is and stop being so cryptic about what you say.... (And yes, there was a bit of pun-ish intent in that last line and i know how lame that is)
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Vasudan Imperial Navy
GUJETAK(adjective) history(adjective) MAASISEH
ROadministrate(adjective) JIMUUCHAH
TOTH(ablative) - ROadministrateAH VBY history(adjective) MAASIS(genitive) - -
AMENTEP(allative) - Admiral 13AT KARIGALOS(genitive) and VBK
ROguard(genitive) - he(genitive) flag(adjective) KOYALEH - -
OSOBUULJOY and (ameliorative)Vasuda.
I(dative) honor(you)- I(accusative) KOLUUMBAR(instrumental) reportEH KU you(genitive)
recent flameIDEDAP(I) work(past participle)(accusative) WAABEKIDOY vasuda(genitive)
(perfect)(simple past)'ASTELITwe. you(accusative) commend(I) WA SOLOMON(adverb)
do(past participle) and WA (simple future)present(accusative) CHINOB(past participle)- UUNATOK present(genitive)
horrors. MOYUUREH humble(adjective)- and MEknowAH (simple past)present(instrumental)
we(genitive)(plural) (pejorative)GAAMOF(accusative)(plural) necessary(he) CHINOBIH and and we(genitive)(plural)
(ameliorative)GAAMOF(accusative)(plural). and history himself(accusative) (intensifier)good(adjective) record(he) KAN
CHINOBIH is(he) HOY(adjective).
SUUPAX LIvasuda(adjective) JUUNIY(adjective) MIJERLAH himself(accusative) is(he)-
LIterra(adjective) ROhistory(accusative) (simple past)hire'(we) this KARIG(accusative) recorded
. amuse(adjective) JOSYACHOG(instrumental)/OLOF(adjective) myriad(adjective) GUUBEROY\
himself(accusative) YOCLEP(he)- and ANTAS LIterra(ablative) himself(accusative) SARUT
know(he). OSITET(I) KU WOSIKAF(adjective) work(accusative) (simple future)TUUV(you).
ROhistory record(adjective) GERLUUS(accusative) personal node(instrumental)
holonet(genitive) game(adjective) sector(allative)(I) (perfect)(simple past)provide(he). TED(adverb)
HEL(accusative)(imperative)(you)/flameIDEDAH 3\NIK(allative) navigation(past particaple)(instrumental).
LOSINKAH is(he) CHOGAH JUUVAK(adjective) ROdirect(genitive) you(genitive)
KOYALAP(I).
this YOSTERB(accusative) WA you(genitive) ODOBRITIH humbly OKUUR(I).
SARUT make(imperative)(you).
That's all I could get.
For reference, here is the word of the day archive, stripped of dashes and apostrophes:
Vasuudah Vasuda
Terah Terra
bisantinah empire
yorchah navy
yorekchah to navigate
gabeh to be
varkeh to do
mekeh to make
kadarantah sector
margensiteh coordinate
ox and
av or
Holonetah Holonet
lorchakyeh to engage
fonograh to record
koniserah to know
osterbeseh to repeat
kubrikah to direct
tachirikah installation
charah flame
kalingah to honor
cheenyah to pilot
usababirat serious
avenseh to assist
ulyareh book
rasnajeteh to acknowledge
jedineh unit
sat good
yulat bad
solentah person
dodijelah to assign
mafoleh to rendezvous
jeeyareh to dock
dos this
das that
fuusiladah to attack
karabimah to guard
onogakah horror
yulgaamofah defeat
osabeh hope
yoferah to support
sarsireh to repair
valchuueh to deploy
fleegruxeh to report
joyareh target
tologeh request
herodotah history
obogrujeh to attach
hatorakih to work
basirosah flag
helixah to access
abomuuseh past
muuseh present
esomuuseh future
yelikrokah admiral
govalitih to commend
stineyah to destroy
bansayih myriad
lololah to amuse
vorultah game
neeritat humble
fotah to be necessary
tolkronayelah to administer
baluuah to hire
tuusipeh to provide
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nuclear1: thank you for transcribing and checking everything! I did not re-check everything, but the first word seems to be VASUUDAT, not VASUDAT.
I also tried to apply the vocabulary and grammar rules that we have so far. My result is very similar to that of MikeRoz (the differences are mainly because we seem to have hacked our scripts a little differently, but the net information is pretty much the same :) ):
Anyway, my current result is:
Vasuda(adjective) empire(adjective) navy
military(adjective) history(adjective) department
(unknown prefix ro)administer(adjective) office
TOTH(ablative) - (unknown prefix ro)administer VBY history(adjective) department(genitive) - -
AMENTEP (allative) - admiral 13(adjective) KARIgroup(genitive) and VBK
(unknown prefix ro)guard(genitive) - {he}(genitive) flag{i}(adjective) KOYALEH - -
OSOBUULJ(plural) and (ameliorative)Vasuda.
{i}(dative) honor{you(singular)}- {i}(accusative) KOLUUMB(participle)(instrumental) report that {you(singular)}(genitive)
recent flameIDED(locative) work(participle)(accusative) archive(dative)(plural) Vasuda(genitive)
(perfect)(past)'add{we}. {you(singular)}(accusative) commend{i} for wise(adjective)
do(participle) and for future(accusative) remember(participle)- despite present(genitive)
horror(plural). remain humble- and learn past(instrumental)
{we}(genitive)(plural) defeat(accusative)(plural) necessary{he} remember and and {we}(genitive)(plural)
victory(accusative)(plural). and history himself(accusative) (intensifier)good(adjective) record{he} when
remember be{he} fresh(adjective).
because (unknown prefix li)Vasuda(adjective) crew(adjective) shortage himself(accusative) be{he}-
(unknown prefix li)Terra(adjective) (unknown prefix ro)history(accusative) (past)hire'{we} this KARIG(accusative) record
. amuse(adjective) pseudonym(instrumental)/half(adjective) myriad(adjective) GUUBER(plural)\
himself(accusative) call{he}- and among (unknown prefix li)Terra(ablative) himself(accusative) (ameliorative)RUT
know{he}. trust{i} that WOSIKAF(adjective) work(accusative) (future)TUUV{you(singular)}.
(unknown prefix ro)history record(adjective) copy(accusative) person(adjective) node(instrumental)
Holonet(genitive) game(adjective) sector(locative) (perfect)(past)provide{he}. hand(adjective)
access(accusative)(imperative){you(singular)}/flameIDEDAH 3\page(allative) navigate(participle)(instrumental).
password be{he} CHOGAH JUUVAK(adjective) (unknown prefix ro)direct(genitive) {you(singular)}(genitive)
KOYAL(locative).
this YOSTERB(accusative) for {you(singular)}(genitive) approve humble(adjective) send{i}.
(ameliorative)RUT make(imperative){you(singular)}.
So it looks like we still lack a real lot of words.
Except for the first line, "Vasudan Imperial Navy", I can't really make sense of anything.
(BTW if anyone wonders where that font file came from: It's pretty buried in the holonet; under Reference Information / Species / Vasudans, there is a link for a "Translation Service". Following it leads to an error message [seems like the translation service is dysfunctional], but there, we can "Update our Character Set".)
Updated on Dec 15 to incorporate latest Vasudan words up to "ji-muu'-chah".
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One small observation: so far, every even post (2,4 and 6) has contained an obvious puzzle, while the other ones have "only" contained text (although at least one of them mentions information that seems to be important further down the line).
Let's see if this continues...
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Jesus Christ. Goober, you evil, evil man.
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Word of the day archive has been updated, and so has my post.
Also, faxi,
My result is very similar to that of MikeRoz (the differences are mainly because we seem to have hacked our scripts a little differently, but the net information is pretty much the same :) ):
You give me too much credit.
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Looks like this is somewhat of a prolonged puzzle. We keep plugging each day's new words in until something starts to make sense. From the little we have to go on, I wonder if it's not an order to conduct some sort of secret test or study, what with the multiple instances of "to record."
(Also, it's about time someone went uber-nerdy and came up with a smattering of Vasudan language. Good on the team. :p)
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@Mike sorry - probably my last post sounded pretty arrogant. Seems like your results were a lot better than mine - my program screwed up with various suffix-combinations and I only understood that reflexive pronouns can be be declined by looking at your output again with more attention and then going back to the language reference.
So basically - good job.
Anyway, I have also updated my output as well, fixing various weirdnesses and adding the latest word of the day.
It seems like there are two prefixes ("LI" and "RO") which are not mentioned in the language reference. I have marked them in my output.
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@Mike sorry - probably my last post sounded pretty arrogant. Seems like your results were a lot better than mine - my program screwed up with various suffix-combinations and I only understood that reflexive pronouns can be be declined by looking at your output again with more attention and then going back to the language reference.
So basically - good job.
What I meant was, you assumed I used a script. This assumes I have perl skills, which I don't. Mine was entirely a manual find/replace session with my favorite text editor.
Also,
(9:57:07 PM) LelouchViBritannia: So it looks like we're going to have to wait day by day to see the word of the day archive update
(10:33:42 PM) Nuclear: yeah thats how it looks
(10:40:10 PM) Nuclear left the room (quit: Quit: Client Exited).
(11/10/2008 12:57:17 AM) BotenAnna [[email protected]] entered the room.
(2:07:58 AM) Lurker5000: meh
(2:08:06 AM) Lurker5000: there is stuff that can be figured out that hasn't been figured out yet
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What I meant was, you assumed I used a script. [...] Mine was entirely a manual find/replace session with my favorite text editor.
Human intelligence, I see ;).
After some attempts, I hacked together a few sed-scripts since I am also not too comfortable with perl.
I am attaching the stuff that I use for anybody who might be interested. The only thing that requires editing is vas_words.sed. A Unixoid computer is necessary to run it. I am using automated regular-expression-based replacements that are applied to the text. It required a bit of tweaking though to get the replacement order right for suffixes (should be quite ok now) and to try to guard against various false replacements.
I figured that I want to be prepared if they throw more Vasudan text at us :)
Concerning this:
(2:07:58 AM) Lurker5000: meh
(2:08:06 AM) Lurker5000: there is stuff that can be figured out that hasn't been figured out yet
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Hmm...
- one obvious candidate are the weird post dates. They have been around since the beginning and the title for the third post ("interesting times") explicitly hinted towards the oddness of these dates. I can't imagine that they would hang something like this in front of our noses and supply the solution so much later, but I have no idea what the point could be.
One weird thing that I only noticed now is the following statement in "Interesting Times": "I've been getting a number of hits on those orders I uploaded on the 15th". The post to which this refers (Some more Highlights) has a post date of November 05, 1926, 02:34:55 AM. This difference could really be a buried hint.
It's hard to know when "Some more Highlights" was actually posted (actual time), The first replies are from Oct 25, but I don't think that our actual dates should have something to do with it.
- Also, we don't know what Hades/Eumenides mean.
Also, the post titles could be hints. "On the destruction of a multitude" could imply that something has to be divided by a certain number. "Always one step behind" can also be a structural/mathematical hint". So far I have no idea where any of this could apply, though.
I guess we have to go back to the older messages and have to look for small oddities/discrepancies.
Edit: one more thing struck me -
The 5th post contains the following piece of text:
The first good thing is that it's a hell of a lot easier to get a date now that everyone's convinced the end of the world is just around the corner.
I don't know if this guy thinks about women in such a situation, but it can well be that he makes a point that with this message, it's become easy for the first time, to correlate a post to an actual event and therefore to an actual date, by checking the dates of the news feed.
So the date information that we have would look like this:
post date post time
10/10/26 17:07:28 Can anyone hear me
26/10/26 18:54:58 Not as it appears
30/10/26 18:18:24 Interesting Times
05/11/26 02:34:55 Some more Highlights
09/11/26 11:02:32 On the destruction of a Multidude News about this event: February 31/March 1 2335 (probably Marc 1, because this is when they were finished)
16/11/26 01:39:14 Always one Step behind
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The dates have been bugging me too. Almost like we're overflowing the Unix epoch, except then it would be 1970, not 1926. If only I had my own SMF to play around with.
I don't see how the post times could have more than academic interest, unless there's a mathematical pattern of some sort we can use to unlock something else.
Edit: New word in the VWorD, updated my post. It's not one in the letter, unforunately.
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I think that line was just filler, I doubt
Goob sorry i mean Aadarsh would devise something this complex. At least not in a timed release per thread. Where's the correlation to the matter in hand :confused:
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I think that line was just filler, I doubt Goob sorry i mean Aadarsh would devise something this complex. At least not in a timed release per thread. Where's the correlation to the matter in hand :confused:
What reason do we have to believe that the post times are any more legitimate than the post dates?
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Maybe it's just a matter of correlating the post dates to the events in the FS1 timeline, which I think someone talked about doing in another thread. If we can figure out when certain news posts on the Holonet went up, maybe we can get an idea of what's going on with Aadarsh's calendar.
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What reason do we have to believe that the post times are any more legitimate than the post dates?
True, the times could also be manipulated for a certain reason.
Maybe it's just a matter of correlating the post dates to the events in the FS1 timeline, which I think someone talked about doing in another thread. If we can figure out when certain news posts on the Holonet went up, maybe we can get an idea of what's going on with Aadarsh's calendar.
Well, when according to our calendar, the news went up on the holonet might be hard to know. I posted the only obvious connection I can see between a post and a holonet news:
09/11/26 11:02:32 On the destruction of a Multidude <--> Holonet news from February 31/March 1 2335
If this relationship is extrapolated in a linear manner, then this would give the following dates:
10/10/26 17:07:28 Can anyone hear me Jan 30 2335 (16 days before next post)
26/10/26 18:54:58 Not as it appears Feb. 15 2335 (4 days before next post)
30/10/26 18:18:24 Interesting Times Feb. 19 2335 (6 days before next post)
05/11/26 02:34:55 Some more Highlights Feb. 25 2335 (4 days before next post)
09/11/26 11:02:32 On the destruction of a Multidude March 1 2335 (news about finished destruction Vasuda)
16/11/26 01:39:14 Always one Step behind March 8 2335 (7 days after prev. post)
Sadly, I don't see where this should lead us.
Also, I don't know if there exists any date information (e.g. in the Hard-Light Wiki) that one could try to correlate to these dates with.
Jan 30 is a bit of a funny date, because this is the date when the Einstein's mission would have regularly ended. Its mission briefing - both the official as well as the secret one - start on January 1 2335 and the duration of this mission is planned as 30 days.
It could well be though that the dates (and times) are just numbers that have to be used in a certain way. I just don't have a good idea where and how.
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Btw. I find the idea of using HERODOT-AH as Vasudan word for "History" a pretty neat idea :D
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I noticed that I had a mistake in one of the dates above. My previous post is now corrected. The resulting date for "not as it appears" is Feb. 15. This would fit with the statement "I've been getting a number of hits on those orders I uploaded on the 15th".
So, I am starting to think that these adjusted dates might be the right dates although I still not sure what to do with them. Since there is an explicit hint that the 2nd message was sent on the 15th, I'd think that there must be something that we need to do with these adjusted dates
10/10/26 17:07:28 Can anyone hear me Jan 30 2335 (16 days before next post => news report that peace with Vasudans is because of Shivan attack)
26/10/26 18:54:58 Not as it appears Feb. 15 2335 (4 days before next post, "uploaded on the 15th" => news talk about HoL as Rogue Vasucan faction)
30/10/26 18:18:24 Interesting Times Feb. 19 2335 (6 days before next post)
05/11/26 02:34:55 Some more Highlights Feb. 25 2335 (4 days before next post)
09/11/26 11:02:32 On the destruction of a Multidude March 1 2335 (news about finished destruction Vasuda => 3 news entries: Vasuda destroyed; Bastion helps with evacuation; Shivan assault continues)
16/11/26 01:39:14 Always one Step behind March 8 2335 (7 days after prev. post)
07/12/26 11:42:23 Analysis and speculation March 29 2335 (21 days after prev post)
Edit: I correlated the dates with news from the holonet
Edit 2: added "Analysis and speculation"
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Awesome work. :) I'm not entirely sure that it means something profound (or at least not yet), but at least we have a definitive timeframe for when he's posting these things.
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Hmm ... wonder if we could set up something like a pastebin for continued translation...
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Unlikely. The best bet seems to be keeping up with the current Vasudan word of the day and then decrypting the mothertrucking thing one word at a time.
/headdesk
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Or you could try starting a new thread. :nervous:
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AMENTEPAPAX - YELIKROKAH 13AT KARIGALOSOL OX VBK (?) - Admiral 13th (?) and (?)
13th Battlegroup?
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Blowfish is correct. Goober has spoken.
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AMENTEPAPAX - YELIKROKAH 13AT KARIGALOSOL OX VBK (?) - Admiral 13th (?) and (?)
Amentepapax = To/onto Amentep
So "AMENTEPAPAX - YELIKROKAH 13AT KARIGALOSOL OX VBK" = "To/onto Amentep - Admiral 13th Battlegroup and ???
VBK -
V=_Va-suu'dah_ = Vasuda...Possibly Vasudan
B=_Bis-san'ti-nah =Empire...possibly imperial
K=ka-da-ran'-tah = Sector
or = ka-ra-bi'-mah = To Guard (possibly Guard as in Imperial Guard)
Thus
VDK =
a) Vasuda(n) Empire/Imperial Guard
b) Vasuda(n) Empire/Imperial Sector
Given the context i think a) is the more likely option
So "AMENTEPAPAX - YELIKROKAH 13AT KARIGALOSOL OX VBK" = "To/onto Amentep - Admiral 13th Battlegroup and Vasudan Imperial Guard"
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TOTHAPUD - ROTOLKRONAYELAH VBY HERODOTAT MAASISOL - - (?) - (?) (?) Historical (?)
Tothapud = Toth(ablative case noun)
= From/Away From/Concerning Toth
From Toth is the most likely
Rotolkronayelah = Administrator > Based on ROTOLKRONAYELAT meaning Adminstrative
VBY = Vasudan Imperial Navy
Herodotat = Historical
Maasisol = Department(?)/Devision(?)/Society < This is speculation on my part
TOTHAPUD - ROTOLKRONAYELAH VBY HERODOTAT MAASISOL = From Toth - Administrator, Vasudan Imperial Navy Historical Department/Devision/Society
LOSINKAH GABUR CHOGAH JUUVAKAT ROKUBRIKOL ADOL KOYALAPOS.
Losinkah = Password
Gabur = Is --> as in "He is"
Chogah = ???
Juuvakat = ???
Rokubrikol = Director of
Adol = of ???
Koyalapos = in/on/at/by ???
LOSINKAH GABUR CHOGAH JUUVAKAT ROKUBRIKOL ADOL KOYALAPOS. = Password is ??? ??? Director of ??? in/on/at/by ???
DOS YOSTERBIX WA ADOL ODOBRITIH NEERITARUT OKUUROS
Dos = this
yosterbix = (accusative noun)... Possibly "Repeated"
Wa = ??
Adol = of ???
Neeritarut = Humble
Okuuros = I ???
DOS YOSTERBIX WA ADOL ODOBRITIH NEERITARUT OKUUROS = This Repeated ??? of ??? Humble I ???
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Hmm ... wonder if we could set up something like a pastebin for continued translation...
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,57138.0.html (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,57138.0.html)
What about here for people to check when they stumble /solve the original 162 thing.
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Goober sent the following personal message to me on Nov 17 - I did not notice it before now,
a nudge
« Sent to: faxi on: November 17, 2008, 01:18:16 AM »
"We've been able to translate those Ancient records -- or enough to get the information we need, anyway..."
Y'all are running behind schedule on the translation progress. You and MikeRoz and others have made good progress at replacing words with their equivalents, but nobody seems to have tried to look at the big picture. I suggest trying to rewrite the entire yosterbah using everything that you already know or can figure out.
Vasudan Imperial Navy
Military Historic Department
Administrative Office
from: TOTH - Administrator of the VBY (Vasudan Imperial Navy) Historic Department;
to: AMENTEP - Admiral of the 13th Battlegroup and the VBK (Vasudan Imperial Intelligence???)
- Flag ship "Guardian";
Greetings and Greatness for Vasuda.
You honour me - it's my pleasure?[KOLUUMB(participle)(instrumental)] to report that we have added your
recent work at Deneb[CHARIDED] to the Vasudan archives. I commend you for your wise deeds
and for remembering the future - despite of the present horrors.
We need to remain humble and learn from the past - our defeats
must be remembered just as well as our victories.
And history itself is recorded best, when it is freshly remembered.
Because the Vasudan crew is short by itself, this battle[KARIG(accusative)]
was recorded by a Terran historian that we hired.
He calls himself by the amusing pseudonym "half-a-myriad GUUBERs [Goober5000]" -
and among Terrans, he himself knows the most?[(ameliorative)RUT].
I trust you will accomplish?[TUUV] that difficult?[WOSIKAF(adjective)] work.
Through a personal node in the Holonet's gaming sector [http://www.sectorgame.com/goober/],
the historian has provided a recorded copy.
You should manually access by navigating towards page "Deneb[CHARIDED] 3" [http://www.sectorgame.com/goober/denebiii.html].
Its/His/The password is the name[CHOGAH] of the security?JUUVAK(adjective) director at your ship[KOYAL] [Security Director Harakhti?].
I humbly send this letter for your approval.
Be well!
last updated on Dec 15
(words that I have guessed only based on context, have a ? behind them.)
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The more I see this the more I think it's breaking the fourth wall. Three guesses as to what a guuber is?
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The word guuber struck me from the beginning. A pseudonym, called "half of a myriad of GUUBERs" or something very similar is certainly suspicious, especially since Vasudan word order is the other way around in many cases. I wonder, whether "myriad" can stand for the number 10000 :).
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He has provided a copy of (unknown prefix ro)history recorded through a personal node
in the Holonet's gaming sector. hand(adjective)
you(singular) should access(accusative) "flameIDEDAH 3"/"CHARIDEDAH 3" towards page by means of navigating.
password be{he} CHOGAH JUUVAK(adjective) of your (unknown prefix ro)direct
KOYAL(locative).
LOSINKAH GABUR CHOGAH JUUVAKAT ROKUBRIKOL ADOL KOYALAPOS.
Losinkah = Password
Gabur = Is --> as in "He is"
Chogah = ???
Juuvakat = ???
Rokubrikol = Director of
Adol = of ???
Koyalapos = in/on/at/by ???
LOSINKAH GABUR CHOGAH JUUVAKAT ROKUBRIKOL ADOL KOYALAPOS. = Password is ??? ??? Director of ??? in/on/at/by ???
Is it only me, or does it sound awfully similar to some kind of username/password for the site ? It seems there is more to the Holonet than we have discovered...
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yep. I'm guessing that once we finish the translation, we'll have the password to access the Restricted Section on Holonet
and faxi has his supposition right. A myriad can be defined as 10,000/ therefore, "half a myriad of GUUBERs" = 5,000 GUUBERs --> Goober 5000
This letter does seem to break the forth wall, as it mentions our resident Goo Goo Dolls fan (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define%3A+Goober&meta=) ;)
No offence ment Goober
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Okay, "gaming sector" is SectorGame. (http://www.sectorgame.com/)
Also: Chogah = name
If Josyachogah is a pseudonym ("false name"), eliminating "Josya" (false) leads to "name".
Juuvkat is a number then--first or last, likely.
So, the password is a "first name" or "last name" of some director.
EDIT: Also:
<Nuclear> okay, does RO- indicate that the noun is a person?
<Nuclear> such as, director, administrator?
<Goober5000> bingo
<Goober5000> specifically, it means one-who-X
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<Nuclear> okay, does RO- indicate that the noun is a person?
<Nuclear> such as, director, administrator?
<Goober5000> bingo
<Goober5000> specifically, it means one-who-X
This also means, that we are talking about a historian, who is called "Guuber-half-a-myriad" ;). I changed my translation post above to reflect that and will try to update it further in the future.
Goober seems to have his own closed sub-forum, called "Goober Collective" at sectorgame.com. The last listed post in the forum overview is more than half a year old, but he could be cheating.
Could it be that he has re-used his old forum there for other purposes?
Does anybody have access to this forum? Was it always a closed forum?
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Actually, that subforum has been around for a long while, and it seems to be as open as ever as far as I can tell. It's Goober's personal hosted board for discussing his own FS2 projects, although he hasn't really released anything new in there in quite some time.
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Actually, that subforum has been around for a long while, and it seems to be as open as ever as far as I can tell. It's Goober's personal hosted board for discussing his own FS2 projects, although he hasn't really released anything new in there in quite some time.
Hmm, I get a logon screen, when I try to access the subforum. Could it be that you are just permanently logged in on sectorgame?
But since you seem to have access and since nothing seems to have been posted there, it seems like this can't be the right place, then.
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Unless he's referring to Ross 128 in the message.
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Okay...so I have it from a rather restless Power That Be that we've kind of dropped the ball on this one. We've known for more than a week now that this message involves Sectorgame and Goober5000 somehow, and yet none of us have really thought to post over there about it. I propose that we change this. If you don't yet have a Sectorgame account (and you should), make one. If you do, head over and post in what should be the self-evident spot. Let's see if we can't get things moving. :)
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I have one, but I can't find the topic...
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I suspect that that CHARIDEDAH 3 stuff is part of a URL, the first part being this:
http://www.sectorgame.com/goober/
I suspect.
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I have one, but I can't find the topic...
Well, whose name was mentioned in the message? And what thread in his folder has the only new posts made in the last year? :p
And yeah, some sort of hidden area on his site seems likely, especially based on his last breadcrumb.
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The funny Asian 404 page has nothing to do with it, I think. http://www.sectorgame.com/goober/str/ was a bit too easy probably ;)
EDIT: So...
CHAR- flame
-ID- could be a dative suffix, which would mean it's the indirect object of the verb "to access"
-ED ?
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The asian 404 page is just that - an asian 404 page. Hunter moved to Korea a few months back, and has just moved the site to a new server which, I assume is hosted over there.
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So since I don't really have anything better to do with my life, I decided to go back to the original transliterated message and translate it myself from scratch, just to see if I could come up with anything different. I'm not entirely done at the moment, and it's still in the roughest form possible, but I think I do have an insight or two, with the help of a few gentle nudges from the resident Myriad of Guubers.
First off, the header of the letter is apparently rather important, particularly in terms of the identity of the main addressee, Admiral Amentep. This is apparently the same Amentep (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Famous_Persons#Shrouding_the_Light) that was featured in Blaise Russell's campaign Shrouding the Light; he was the commander of the newly-formed 13th Vasudan battle group, and his flagship was...the PVD Guardian. That should clear up the "flagship" and "guard" portions of that line.
On that same note, the assumption that the 'K' in VBK stands for "Guard" is apparently incorrect. Our resident expert states that the true answer is something "much more common"...whatever that means.
And finally, for the moment, I have a wild stab at that mysterious "Charidedah" term. We know that the root word is "flame," and in its second usage in the letter, it's in parentheses next to the number three. "Flame___ 3"..."Fire___ 3"...Firefox 3? I don't even know where that would lead us, but for the moment, that's all I've got.
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Well im no lignuist, and im certainley no cryptographer but I was going through the work of the day archive and found:
ko-ni-se'-rah - to know
could VBK = Vasudan Imperial Intelligence?
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That's a decent guess, actually. It'd make sense, given the contents of the message.
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Goob seems to be annoyed with our slowness, so he has first provided unrelated words and now the words seem to have frozen...
http://www.sectorgame.com/goober/ sounds good. Now the question probably is what we have to add to that URL.
The most interesting sentence regarding that should be
TEDARUT HELIXEXAD/CHARIDEDAH 3\NIKAPAX YOREKCHAROR.
hand(adjective) access(accusative)(imperative){you(singular)}/flameIDEDAH 3\page(allative) navigate(participle)(instrumental).
of that, I make:
You should manually(?) access by navigating towards page "flameIDED 3".
If the theory with firefox is right (and also from the word order), it could also be instead:
You should manually(?) access by navigating "flameIDED 3" towards (the?) page.
On that same note, the assumption that the 'K' in VBK stands for "Guard" is apparently incorrect. Our resident expert states that the true answer is something "much more common"...whatever that means.
We have
ka-da-ran'-tah - sector
ko-ni-se'-rah - to know
ku-bri'-kah - to direct
ka-lin'-gah - to honor
ka-ra-bi'-mah - to guard
ko-na'-sat - final
I like Mewgen's idea of 'Intelligence', derived from 'to know' although the question is whether that is a "much more common" word.
The other possibility that I see is "sector", but that is pretty meh.
And finally, for the moment, I have a wild stab at that mysterious "Charidedah" term. We know that the root word is "flame," and in its second usage in the letter, it's in parentheses next to the number three. "Flame___ 3"..."Fire___ 3"...Firefox 3? I don't even know where that would lead us, but for the moment, that's all I've got.
For all that we know, Goober could do browser sniffing on the server and serve different pages to different browsers - somebody who still deliberately uses the Indeo codec for videos must be considered capable of any kind of cruelty :).
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charidedah is not firefox. It's probably not even related to fire, unless in some weird Vasudan culture way. It's not inferno either.
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CHARIDED referring to "Firefox 3" does make sense the second time it's used. But the first time there's no 3 behind it and it doesn't make sense from the context.
And this is a campaign about GTI being pretty much omnipresent. I can imagine VBK being more or less the same. Also, Vasudan Intelligence makes sense from the context: they would be the ones that preserve their archives into time, by hiring a Terran historian who uploaded it all to CHARIDED...
Just throwing ideas around.
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Imperial Vasudan Navy
Military Historical Department (1)
by Administrator Jimuuchah (2)
Sender - IVN (3) Administrator of Historical Department (4)
Recipient - Admiral, 13th Battlegroup and IV? (5)
Guardian - Your Flagship (6)
My greetings, and greatness for Vasuda. (7)
It is my honor - to be able (8) to report that Your recent Phoenix (9) work for Archives of Vasuda have been
added. I commend you for acting wisely and for future remembering - despite (10) of present horrors. To
remain humble- and to learn from our horrible past defeats requires you to remember and (11) that will lead to
our victory. And history you record very well [KAN] remember you are freshness (12).
To ease (13) your Vasudan crew shortage it is- Terran historian we hired to record this battle(14).
Amusingly pseudonymed "Half Myriadic Guuberoy"(15). He calls you- and [ANTAS] from Terra your he learns well
(16). I trust in the quality of the work you will provide.
The historian recorded to copy by personal node in Holonet's game-like sector was provided (17). Conveniently
/Manually you access by navigating to page "Phoenix 3"(18).
Password is the name [JUUVAKAT] of your Director's [KOYALAPOS]. (19)
I humbly send this message for you to approve. (20)
Be well. (21)
(1) MAASISEH. Could be almost anything, but "Museum" would be my guess due to relation
to Vasudan words for past, present and future as well as being contextually fitting. See (4) EDIT: MAASISEH = Department.
(2) This might be a name, or not. CHAH is related to navigation anyway, so it might be a navy
department instead of a name. Largely irrelevant anyway as far as I can see. EDIT:
(3) IVN = Imperial Vasudan Navy = Vasudat Bisantinat Yorchah = VBY. Just an abbreviation
there.
(4) Maasisol, genitive form of Maasiseh.
(5) IV? = Imperial Vasudan ??? = Vasudat Bisantinat K??? = VBK. K??? could be almost
anything. Officer perhaps? Honour something?
(6) Guardian would be Amentep's flagship in "Shrouding the Light". Since it fits context,
KOYALEH is almost certainly "ship" seeing that BASIROSAT is essentially "flag-like"...
(7) Guesstimating here. It's pretty obviously a standard greeting of some kind...
(8) Guesstimating again. KOLUUMBAROR would be instrumental form of
KOLUUMBAREH, probably, and the literal translation would be "by my ability" or
something like that.
(9) CHAR|IDED| most likely refers to something with flames (CHAR'-AH = flame), my guess
is FireBird (phoenix); could be FireFox too due to (18)
(10) Pure guesstimation. Word UUNATOK doesn't directly fit any typical class so I'm taking a
leap of faith and contextual word placement here. EDIT: UUNATOK = despite.
(11) Contextual placement here again. I'm guessing the double "and and" structure is some kind
of Vasudan idiomatic structure, so I'm just moving along and assuming the meaning of the
sentence.
(12) This sentence is pretty screwed up because I can't really think of proper meaning for two of
the words, but it doesn't appear to be of great importance compared to some of the stuff a bit
further... EDIT: HOYAH = Freshness. Still doesn't make much sense though :D
(13) SUUPAX is one word I don't really have a clue on, and the sentence word ordering is like
Yoda with a hangover of 700 years, but you get the gist of it I think...
EDIT: SUUPAX most likely has something to do with the verb O-SUU-LAH (to please), probably in allative form, and I guess it would in this context mean "To ease" or literally "onto pleasing" but that hardly makes sense and "to ease" fits the context.
(14) Because the word KARIGALOSOL most likely means "Battle Group", the word "KARI-"
most likely has something to do with battle.
(15) The "historian" is pseudonymed "Goober5000". You sly dog. :D Myriad=10000
(16) Another screwed up sentence because of a missing word, but it doesn't seem so important
either.
(17) Can't seem to get the word ordering into comprehensible sentence here, but the basics should
be clear - the historian was granted a personal node in Holonet's gaming sector to use as
means of communication.
(18) This could also mean that you navigate to page by "CHAR|IDED|AH 3" and since
CHAR-'AH is flame(fire), it could very well be a reference to Firefox 3, but Phoenix makes
sense too due to context.
(19) So close, yet so far... two missing words and the sentence tells us that if complete, it would
tell us something rather interesting - yet incomplete it's almost completely useless.
(20) Liberal word order changes to convey (probable) meaning rather than literal translation.
(21) Same. MEKEXAD is probably "you make" which would mean that this phrase would be
pretty much the same as Finnish phrase "Tehkää Hyvin" (lit. Do/Make Well), which can be
used as "Please be seated -> Tehkää hyvin ja istukaa" etc. Basically a closing greeting of a
letter.
I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna be able to figure out what IDED means in char'ided'ah, much less how exactly to apply it to an obscure url. Contextual clues only work if one knows the context. :rolleyes:
EDIT: Added some stuff from latest update. I see I identified the words WA and KU correctly as "for" and "that", respectively. :p Still no clues to IDED and rest of the obscure words, they don't seem to be parts of other words either in our resident rosetta stone at holonet...
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Don't look now, but just the fact that we're working on things again seems to have garnered a response. A few more words that are used in the letter went up in the archive, and the most recent one confirms that it's the Vasudan Historical Department in the header.
(And heh, I see someone was busy after I turned in last night. Great work on those contextual bits; I'd missed that "chogah" is probably "name." :))
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Randall must be a ST:R fan.
http://www.xkcd.com/516/
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Okay, I have it on good authority that looking at CHAR- as "fire" is not a good idea at all. We need to look at the full word.
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It seems that Charided is the name of a place, after all the first mention of that word uses locative (CHARIDEDAPOS; APOS is locative, which means that the word fulfills the function of a location in the current sentence).
So, in my opinion, the first passage that mentions CHARIDED should be something like:
we have added your recent work to the Vasudan archives in/at CHARIDED.
Does anybody have an idea of a location (e.g. star system or star base) that could have something with "flame" in its name?
Btw, Herra Tohtori - your translation is really great. It really helped me a lot.
With all the new words and ideas available, I have also now rewritten my translation (on the second page of this thread) - it should now resemble a text :).
Edit: since we are talking about flag ship "Guardian", Koyal means "ship". That would mean that the password is some part of the name of some director at Amentep's ship.
The wiki (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Famous_Persons#Shrouding_the_Light) mentions;
Officer Harakhti - Security Director (commander of PVN special operations) for the PVD Guardian.
So either "Harakhti" or the first name of that person could be the password that we are looking for. Now we "only" need to find that "CHARIDED 3"-page.
Edit2: wait a minute... Who put that gold star on my user?
I tentatively take that as an indication that what I have written is not completely wrong.
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Wow, fantastic work on putting everything together. :) This is really starting to sound coherent. The suggestion of Harkhti seems like a sound one, given the past STL reference. The only very tiny error I see in your translation is the use of "of" instead of "and" in Amentep's title, since VBK seems to be separate from the battlegroup designation; I feel like Mewgen's guess of "Intelligence" for that K still makes the most sense given the hint.
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We've taken too long guys:
Linklinklink (http://www.sectorgame.com/goober/denebiii.html)
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The suggestion of Harkhti seems like a sound one, given the past STL reference. The only very tiny error I see in your translation is the use of "of" instead of "and" in Amentep's title, since VBK seems to be separate from the battlegroup designation; I feel like Mewgen's guess of "Intelligence" for that K still makes the most sense given the hint.
You got me with the Titles at the beginning. I had that one right before, I think and "smoothed" it too much. I went over everything again, checked the various grammar constructs and fixed a few things.
By the way: looking at the word order, it does not say (like I had it before):
...the pasword is the JUUVAK(adjective)-name[CHOGAH] of the director at your ship
it says (which also makes more sense based on the background information we have):
...the pasword is the name[CHOGAH] of the JUUVAK(adjective)-director at your ship
So it's very probable that this is the name of the security director.
@Alan Bolte
Did Goob just send you the link?
Edit: I think I understand now how Goob expected us to find the word Deneb. Checking the respective sentence again, it actually says "we have added your (i.e. Amentep's) recent work at CHARIDED to the Vasudan Archives". I think he would have expected us to be able to fill in that word, after digging out who Amentep is and where he operated in "Shrouding the Light".
The page is a bit of a disappointment, though. What it suggests to me is that we need to get into Andreas Rybak's Holonet account.
His login should be [email protected] and his password is probably Harakhti.
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Damn...this one really makes me feel stupid in retrospect. Even a few days ago, Goober gave me the hint that led me to track down exactly what Amentep was from, but I don't think I properly followed it up beyond figuring out his flagship. The archives aren't at Deneb...but Amentep was. I haven't played it in a while, but checking out the mission files confirms that Shrouding the Light took place almost entirely in the Deneb system. If I had followed up on the campaign angle and looked at exactly how CHARIDED was being used in that first instance, I might have had this a few days ago. I wonder...was that page always meant to be a seeming dead-end, or was there originally something there that Goober yanked away after a short while? Either way, andreas.rybak doesn't work on the Holonet login using "Harakhti" for a password (not that I'd expect it to, since he didn't have anything to do with this to begin with). So now what...
(Oh, and there was one more thing I meant to mention a few days ago but forgot about. Goober gave away the meaning of one of the few remaining unknowns in the private message he sent to faxi. As he said, "I suggest trying to rewrite the entire yosterbah using everything that you already know or can figure out." So apparently, yosterbah means "letter" or "message.")
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The page is a bit of a disappointment, though. What it suggests to me is that we need to get into Andreas Rybak's Holonet account.
His login should be [email protected] and his password is probably Harakhti.
What it suggests to me is that we've taken too long and Goob has removed whatever was up there, so we'll have to wait until ST:R is released to see it :p
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If that is the case, I kind of feel like he hasn't been very fair in doing so, especially considering the fact that we all got back on this thing and started making progress again. It's true that we may have been able to solve this faster, but hindsight is always 20/20, and what is now pretty darn obvious certainly wasn't beforehand. To dangle this puzzle in front of us for so long and then not give us any reward at the end kind of bites.
But what do I know...I'm just a peon. :p
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If he gave me the answer, then he wouldn't have given me a star. :cool:
Anyway, I didn't think too hard about it. I knew we were looking for a location, and so I just looked at the Wiki Universe page, under Stars and Planets (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Stars_and_Planets). There it was, the only cannon planet with three in the name! It wasn't the first thing I tried, but I can sorta see why he thought it was obvious.
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If he gave me the answer, then he wouldn't have given me a star. :cool:
The reason for my stupid comment was that I had misinterpreted the statement that we took too long as meaning that Goob had maybe hinted something to speed things up. If Goob was indeed annoyed with our (lack of) speed and pulled back the page that we were meant to see, then this would explain, why there was no new message from Adarsh.
Anyway - good idea with Deneb :yes: and ... nice star ;)
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After a certain conversation I had the other day, I feel comfortable retracting what I said in my previous post. The whole purpose of all of these puzzles is for us to have access to all sorts of goodies before anyone else sees them, and Goober isn't about to yank away material we haven't yet had the chance to see.
Now, not giving us any material at the end of a puzzle...that's a whole other story. In the words of the man himself, "Take a look back at the first post in the thread." Or, perhaps...the title of the thread itself? I think we were meant to be bamboozled from the beginning. ;)
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*epic facepalm*
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Reading the Vasudan letter again, it sounds as if the "recordings of a battle" that half-myriad-guubers made could be the actual, finished campaign (for example, in a password-protected zip-file).
"Take a look back at the first post in the thread."
Hmm, the first thread was "Can anyone hear me".
I only notice this:
"And if you're an engineer, you're going to want proof. Not that any engineers have Ash's chance in Shiva of stumbling across the obscure, obsolete corner of the holonet where I have to hide this, but if I'm going to be a fool, I might as well be a fool who makes sense."
We have probably found the "obscure, obsolete corner of the holonet". The word "Shiva" is weird in that sentence, but that could very well be a substitute for the word "hell", just to add flavor. But who would Ash be? Possibly one of the beta testers?
Of course, one could just explain that the campaign had been at this locationm yet the GTI pulled the file before we could reach it. But what kind of happy end to our quest would that be :wtf:...
So... Any idea who Ash could be?
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Alternatively, if it he really means the first post in this thread. then that would be MikeRoz's comment "You've got to be kidding me." Or, of course the title of this thread could be meant - we are "always one step behind"...
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"Mayday, this is Lieutenant Ash Terran patrol, Wing Gamma, 39 reporting. Requesting immediate fighter cover and rescue."
Unless i miss my guess Lieutenant Ash was the poor guy who got splashed by the shivans in the FS1 intro.
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Goober meant the first post of this particular thread, and I took that to mean more specifically the title of the thread. And I agree with Mewgen about the Ash reference...poor redshirt wound up becoming a figure of speech.
The cool thing about this whole puzzle is that we're still getting Vasudan words, even after we know what the letter means. We now have enough to fully translate the header.
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If Ash is the guy from the FS1 intro, then we are indeed screwed and were probably meant to be from the start :shaking:. The Holonet seems to have gone into sleep - no new words anymore since a few days. The word "Office" is already like 3 days old or so.
I still wonder what the password would be for that is mentioned in the Vasudan letter and which battle would have been "recorded" by goober. For me, the Vasudan letter sounds as if it either speaks about the whole campaign or some preview mission that Goober has "recorded" for the Vasudan historical department.
But anyway - very nice puzzle altogether :yes: :nod:.
I hope that the process was not too frustrating for Goob - it was fun but sometimes it can take a long time to figure out some things, even if things seem obvious in retrospect :lol:.
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have we tried to reverse the audio messages to see there is anything extra hidden, the beetles style?
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have we tried to reverse the audio messages to see there is anything extra hidden, the beetles style?
The retro music fan within me would like to point out that there never were any reversed messages in any song that the Beetles made. I doubt Goober or anyone would be cruel enough to put something that inane in any of the stuff we've seen thus far.
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*jumps into thread*
ok, I just got here and I am not going to bother reading the last threads / pages.
but I have found this out so far.
you can go here
http://holonet.hard-light.net/
and this is the file name for the vasudan letter thing.
yosterbah.png
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Total Time Spent Online: 2 days, 11 hours and 20 minutes.
Aadarsh
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HELIXEXAD/ 3\NIKAPAX YOREKCHAROR.
LOSINKAH GABUR CHOGAH JUUVAKAT ROKUBRIKOL ADOL
KOYALAPOS.
HELIXDAD he wants to access deneb (CHARIDEDAH) III
losinkah is password.
what does Gabur mean?
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If you go back and read the rest of the thread, you'll see that we have a good working translation for the vast majority of the message, and someone managed to figure out exactly what it's referring to (unfortunately, as this thread's title suggests, there were no materials in the location we found).