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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Kiloku on July 12, 2012, 07:16:22 pm
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Some of you might have seen it, as it's growing more and more popular. Ouya (or OUYA, I think) is a console being developed by a small indie group, which shall use Android as it's OS. It's going to be very open for developers and hackers. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
I could imagine myself playing FSO in that ;)
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Jesus, they've raised another million and a half in the last three days.
Well, it'll sure as hell exist now.
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Yeah, Notch tweeted them.
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i looked at the specs. its based around a rather impressive system on a chip module. should perform on par with current gen consoles we have now. fso port will be likely considering there is intrest in porting it to raspberry pi, which opens the door for other arm based systems like this one. it all comes down to controls, will we be able to plug in a keyboard or not?
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i looked at the specs. its based around a rather impressive system on a chip module. should perform on par with current gen consoles we have now. fso port will be likely considering there is intrest in porting it to raspberry pi, which opens the door for other arm based systems like this one. it all comes down to controls, will we be able to plug in a keyboard or not?
It is the exact same system that is powering current gen smart phones and tablets. Nothing too exiting really; aside from the price... it's a tablet/phone in a box lol. ;)
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i looked at the specs. its based around a rather impressive system on a chip module. should perform on par with current gen consoles we have now. fso port will be likely considering there is intrest in porting it to raspberry pi, which opens the door for other arm based systems like this one. it all comes down to controls, will we be able to plug in a keyboard or not?
It is the exact same system that is powering current gen smart phones and tablets. Nothing too exiting really; aside from the price... it's a tablet/phone in a box lol. ;)
which is what some of us are looking for.
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What can it do that a PC can't.
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It's a significantly more powerful tablet/phone in a box. The operating system tells you very little about how much its got under the hood.
EDIT: Off the top of my head:
1) appeal to an audience that doesn't need or want the power of a full gaming rig PC to play games.
2) costs significantly less.
3) provides a platform for smaller developers to release on without spending huge bucks on a AAA title while still getting decent exposure across the platform.
4) provides an alternative to the Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo orgy of virtual monopoly on consoles.
5) Introduce the layperson to the wonders of an open source platform without having to deal with learning Linux on their own.
I could continue, if there's still more reasons you need.
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What can it do that a PC can't.
portability with the price. i've been looking into maybe getting a raspberry pi as a "home entertainment center thingy", which would basically serve to connect my tv to the internet at large and would let me stream **** to it without lugging my pc or waiting ages for something to copy to my usb stick...
(i'm 99% sure i will actually be getting a r-pi instead of this, but its an interesting concept)
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It's a significantly more powerful tablet/phone in a box. The operating system tells you very little about how much its got under the hood.
Tegra3 quad-core processor
1GB RAM
8GB of internal flash storage
HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth LE 4.0
USB 2.0 (one)
Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad
Android 4.0
A Tegra3 should be about 1.4 or 1.6 GHz per core. 1 GB of RAM is a bit less than I'd like, but since you shouldn't be running a lot of other things at the same time, or Windows, it'll probably be enough for most things.
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What can it do that a PC can't.
Cost less than $100.
Also, this thing is NOT on par with the XB360 or PS3. It can probably barely stand up to the Wii.
First of all, it does have double the memory of a PS3 but a small fraction of the hard drive space. Its CPU is also less than half as powerful, and its graphics throughput can barely be compared to what the PS3 can pull off (literally worse than 100x slower in terms of number crunching, though probably less grim in practice due to having a much newer and refined architecture and better shader cores -- if not as many).
Even so, $99 is hard to beat, especially since this will match any mobile device save for a latest-generation iPad.
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i looked at the specs. its based around a rather impressive system on a chip module. should perform on par with current gen consoles we have now. fso port will be likely considering there is intrest in porting it to raspberry pi, which opens the door for other arm based systems like this one. it all comes down to controls, will we be able to plug in a keyboard or not?
It is the exact same system that is powering current gen smart phones and tablets. Nothing too exiting really; aside from the price... it's a tablet/phone in a box lol. ;)
what it really is is a quad core arm cpu some ram, and a gpu on a single chip. hince system on a chip, usually SoC for short. my big pet peeve about arm systems in the last decade was that they were all relegated to phones, which doesn't do the architecture justice at all. it was painful to watch the specs skyrocket while still being glued to a ****ing cell receiver and by extension contract that doesn't let you do anything fun with it (unless you give them $$$), and having its user interface crippled by being a phone. the last couple years have been intresting because its been steadily climbing out of that hole and has become a general computing platform (which is what it was meant to be since the beginning).
What can it do that a PC can't.
be very cheap :D
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Ouya has been getting slammed by the gaming press.
www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-14-saturday-soapbox-the-trouble-with-ouya
penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/the-reality-of-the-ouya-console-doesnt-match-the-hype-why-you-should-be-ske
I must admit that these articles have gotten me pretty skeptical of Ouya. It basically plays to the dreams of so many people desperate for something new and it succeeded wonderfully.
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that whole article was all rhetoric. how do i know that wasnt written by people from ms, sony, or nintendo (the soc used is several times more powerful than wii)? it sure as hell sounds like it. but heres the thing, the games industry, as it stands, has stagnated greatly. tripple as turn out the same thing over and over and seldom do anything different. console games cost upwards of $60+, and many titles are exclusive. pc games are just too eager to fall into ms's clutches to get that dreaded games for windows sticker (and forcing us to use 360 gamepads over pc joysticks!), and seldom produce anything creative or original, nobody but indie developers can do that. im not going to touch mobile gaming because thats just not something i do.
now this console is something i would buy. i am not a console gamer, the reason being is consoles block you off from the possibility of doing anything other than playing games. you cant mod, you cant dev, if i owned one, it would just sit there collecting dust. here we have a hack box, you get it, can **** with the hardware, upgrade it add stuff to it plug your hotas into it and play the theoretical arm port of the scp. and all those indie devs out there, doing original and new game ideas, will be able to port their games to it. frankly if this is all it does it will still be better than the likes of sony, ms, and nintendo (to a lesser degree, nintendo dont really have a reputation for being total dicks like the former). thats not even mentioning that the concept is friendly to the valve way of doing things. the tripple a studios are riding on a sinking ship. i say let it sink.
should point out a few things in particular i didnt like about that article. first of all in dissected the kick starter video as if it were a historical documentary. it was not, it was an advertisement to investors. its main job is to get people excited about the console to get more money for the dev costs. there was a whole paragraph ranting about their mockup techniques. which to be fair its part of the process using a wood shop might not have the finesse of the megacorprate way of using multimillion dollar equipment in the prototyping phase. but its still an effective way to produce negative molds for injection molding. it then procedes to constantly overstate the impact of piracy. complete with a mock interview with the head of ea. it rants a lot about how unrealistic the draw of tripple a studios will be. **** EA! AND **** THE OTHER AAA STUDIOS! they are part of the old infrastructure. i dont even buy ea products anymore because of the draconian drm they tend to use, not to mention all their games are franchise rehashes. i have no doubt that the guy who wrote this is a mw3 fanboi, thinks halo is the best thing since sliced bread, and really loves what ms has done to pc gaming.
i cant even finis the article, its just horrible. even if the console flops id still buy one so i could mod the living **** out of it.
my only concern is their use of a standard off the shelf os. one of the benefits of consoles is that you can code in bare metal if you need to and tell the os to go **** itself. im not sure if their choice of android is appropriate for this kind of thing. of course i never used it and it may turn out to be a good thing.
tldr: naysayers will say nay. bare metal ftw!
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my only concern is their use of a standard off the shelf os. one of the benefits of consoles is that you can code in bare metal if you need to and tell the os to go **** itself. im not sure if their choice of android is appropriate for this kind of thing. of course i never used it and it may turn out to be a good thing.
I'm not going to get drawn in on the article as I smell flame fuel but as for the OS I think it comes down to a combination of resource overhead and ease of access for developers. With a project like this going up against dev networks that can pour millions after millions on a single project and an established infrastructure + fan base they have to make themselves as accessible as possible to interested game developers, if you go the route of an in house OS you then have to teach devs how to code for your new system which would be a major barrier and will hamper growth of the product. The alternative is to use something off the shelf in which case you have to choose between full blooded OS, in which case your basic choice is Windows or Linux both of which are on the resource heavy side for the system spec, or you go for a mobile platform and while I am not very up to date on these Android is the most well known and already has a solid util/games coding base behind it and fewest barriers to home-brew customisation.
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its probibly a better choice than a standard linux distro or windows 8 (the arm version). as its a platform designed for relatively low end devices with limited resources. and im sure they can customize the os to do away with parts of it that would be a hinderence to performance while streamlining the critical parts, all while keeping it compatible with the established android sdk.
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that whole article was all rhetoric. how do i know that wasnt written by people from ms, sony, or nintendo (the soc used is several times more powerful than wii)? it sure as hell sounds like it. but heres the thing, the games industry, as it stands, has stagnated greatly. tripple as turn out the same thing over and over and seldom do anything different. console games cost upwards of $60+, and many titles are exclusive. pc games are just too eager to fall into ms's clutches to get that dreaded games for windows sticker (and forcing us to use 360 gamepads over pc joysticks!), and seldom produce anything creative or original, nobody but indie developers can do that. im not going to touch mobile gaming because thats just not something i do.
now this console is something i would buy. i am not a console gamer, the reason being is consoles block you off from the possibility of doing anything other than playing games. you cant mod, you cant dev, if i owned one, it would just sit there collecting dust. here we have a hack box, you get it, can **** with the hardware, upgrade it add stuff to it plug your hotas into it and play the theoretical arm port of the scp. and all those indie devs out there, doing original and new game ideas, will be able to port their games to it. frankly if this is all it does it will still be better than the likes of sony, ms, and nintendo (to a lesser degree, nintendo dont really have a reputation for being total dicks like the former). thats not even mentioning that the concept is friendly to the valve way of doing things. the tripple a studios are riding on a sinking ship. i say let it sink.
should point out a few things in particular i didnt like about that article. first of all in dissected the kick starter video as if it were a historical documentary. it was not, it was an advertisement to investors. its main job is to get people excited about the console to get more money for the dev costs. there was a whole paragraph ranting about their mockup techniques. which to be fair its part of the process using a wood shop might not have the finesse of the megacorprate way of using multimillion dollar equipment in the prototyping phase. but its still an effective way to produce negative molds for injection molding. it then procedes to constantly overstate the impact of piracy. complete with a mock interview with the head of ea. it rants a lot about how unrealistic the draw of tripple a studios will be. **** EA! AND **** THE OTHER AAA STUDIOS! they are part of the old infrastructure. i dont even buy ea products anymore because of the draconian drm they tend to use, not to mention all their games are franchise rehashes. i have no doubt that the guy who wrote this is a mw3 fanboi, thinks halo is the best thing since sliced bread, and really loves what ms has done to pc gaming.
i cant even finis the article, its just horrible. even if the console flops id still buy one so i could mod the living **** out of it.
my only concern is their use of a standard off the shelf os. one of the benefits of consoles is that you can code in bare metal if you need to and tell the os to go **** itself. im not sure if their choice of android is appropriate for this kind of thing. of course i never used it and it may turn out to be a good thing.
tldr: naysayers will say nay. bare metal ftw!
That's the whole point of the article. People hate the current state of the video game industry and so when something like Ouya pops up, everyone gets excited and immediately proclaims it "BEST THING EVUH!" Never mind that they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to show, not even a controller and they want to finish everything in 8 months.
If they wanted to attract proper investors, they're doing a piss poor job of it. All they have is rhetoric, hopes and dreams. Show me something concrete. Have a working prototype? Show to it everyone then! You're an untested startup, not an established MNC. Right now the whole damn thing looks like a scam because it just sounds TOO good.
They aim for an environment that is open as possible for both developers and consumers. What's going to happen is tons of shovelware that make it nigh impossible to differentiate the good from the bad. Look at the Android market and how many developers have actually made it big?
There's also not a single game in development for Ouya. Not one. Why would developers bother with Ouya when they can go with a PC where there's already cheap dev kits and a huge install base? At this rate, Ouya is going to launch without games. Without games, no one will buy it. When no one buys it, no one will make games for it.
I get the sense that the developers are genuine about Ouya. Unfortunately, I think reality is going to come knocking soon.
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There's also not a single game in development for Ouya. Not one. Why would developers bother with Ouya when they can go with a PC where there's already cheap dev kits and a huge install base? At this rate, Ouya is going to launch without games. Without games, no one will buy it. When no one buys it, no one will make games for it.
That can be partially averted if most existing Android games can be easily ported to it.
Note that I said "if".
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Wow. You clearly have no idea how a kickstarter works. The whole point is that they don't have anything to show for it yet. They need funds for that. That's why kickstaters exist.
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That doesn't excuse them yelling on all the roofs that they have a working prototype while so obviously avoiding to show it at all. Kickstarter concept or not, the best way to attract inverters it to prove them the concept works since they already have it.
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That's the whole point of the article. People hate the current state of the video game industry and so when something like Ouya pops up, everyone gets excited and immediately proclaims it "BEST THING EVUH!" Never mind that they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to show, not even a controller and they want to finish everything in 8 months.
If they wanted to attract proper investors, they're doing a piss poor job of it. All they have is rhetoric, hopes and dreams. Show me something concrete. Have a working prototype? Show to it everyone then! You're an untested startup, not an established MNC. Right now the whole damn thing looks like a scam because it just sounds TOO good.
They aim for an environment that is open as possible for both developers and consumers. What's going to happen is tons of shovelware that make it nigh impossible to differentiate the good from the bad. Look at the Android market and how many developers have actually made it big?
There's also not a single game in development for Ouya. Not one. Why would developers bother with Ouya when they can go with a PC where there's already cheap dev kits and a huge install base? At this rate, Ouya is going to launch without games. Without games, no one will buy it. When no one buys it, no one will make games for it.
I get the sense that the developers are genuine about Ouya. Unfortunately, I think reality is going to come knocking soon.
of course people hate the current state of things and want something else. to be frank its amazing that people have been so willing to suck on that megalithic ms/sony/ea/etc cock this long. nothings new nothings original, nothings creative. megalithic companies throw millions at making games that suck, and the majority of the gamer zombies out there like the status quo so much they dont notice it when they shove a massive object up their rectum. i want to see return the days of small dev studios with miniscule budgets turning out epic success after epic success.
also hardware design is trivial today. i can design boards on my cheap computer and cut them in my kitchen sink, and populate it with no more than $50 in parts, and have a decent computing platform. people with more money can send their designed to some fab house in china and produce professional grade boards for a few hundred bucks a run. and seriously a controller isnt that hard to produce either. i see people on hack a day constantly turning old consoles into laptops using forms of 3d printing, vacuuforming, laser cutting and all that stuff. if you haven't noticed were in the middle of a home manufacturing craze. 3d printers and laser cutters go for < $1000 now. manufacturing is cheaper than ever. thats peanuts compared to the budget they've raised so far.
things like arduino and raspberry pi are flying of the shelves making people loads of money. an open source console (i doubt that this one is going to be 100% open, but thats irrelevant) isnt to far around the corner. we already have all kinds of retro gaming systems coming out of the open source hardware movement. this is just one more iteration in a long chain of successes where everyone said they would fail each and every time.
That doesn't excuse them yelling on all the roofs that they have a working prototype while so obviously avoiding to show it at all. Kickstarter concept or not, the best way to attract inverters it to prove them the concept works since they already have it.
i dont remember seeing any prototype photos from ms or sony for their consoles.
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The thing about a console prototype is that it's really easy to make one, comparatively. It's a few weeks of work if you have a guy who is an expert at hardware design. Beyond that, it's all just optimization (in space, costs, aesthetics, etc.). The prototype probably looks really ugly as a result of it just being a working example of the hardware.
And why not demonstrate the hardware? Well, they could stick android on it, I suppose. But that wouldn't impress anyone, and I doubt they could have gotten much further than that by now.
8 months is really not much time but given that they've been given millions of dollars, I think they can hire the right people and get it done.
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Well, technically they won't get millions of dollars until a little over three weeks from now.
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no but they can probably most of that credit with suppliers and fabricators due to the fact that they are over the minimum limit and are thus guaranteed that money so long as the organisation that is Kickstarter dosnt fall flat financially flat on it's face.
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in fact 3 weeks is inside the credit terms most company have with each other anyway.
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i dont remember seeing any prototype photos from ms or sony for their consoles.
Obviously not, since those guys don't need a kickstarter to finance their next console, do they. Try to compare things that are comparable.
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i dont remember seeing any prototype photos from ms or sony for their consoles.
Obviously not, since those guys don't need a kickstarter to finance their next console, do they. Try to compare things that are comparable.
Indeed just the name is enough in these cases as they are "proven" companies with a proven sales record (we can just gloss over PlayStation nearly bankrupting Sony twice (or was it all three) times), OUYA lacks this advantage so needs a functional prototype to demonstrate to investors to get their interest, even then it's a hit and miss on if they would get any investment from traditional sources as the market is so heavily tied up that frankly even now this will have a very hard time breaking the market. If they release significantly before the next gen Soni/MS/Nintendo consoles hit the market they have a chance, if not then I dont rate their chances very highly at all.
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i dont remember seeing any prototype photos from ms or sony for their consoles.
Obviously not, since those guys don't need a kickstarter to finance their next console, do they. Try to compare things that are comparable.
Indeed just the name is enough in these cases as they are "proven" companies with a proven sales record (we can just gloss over PlayStation nearly bankrupting Sony twice (or was it all three) times), OUYA lacks this advantage so needs a functional prototype to demonstrate to investors to get their interest, even then it's a hit and miss on if they would get any investment from traditional sources as the market is so heavily tied up that frankly even now this will have a very hard time breaking the market. If they release significantly before the next gen Soni/MS/Nintendo consoles hit the market they have a chance, if not then I dont rate their chances very highly at all.
i was mearely pointing out that electronics prototyping isnt as pretty as you make it out to be. a prototype is usually a mass of jumper wires breadboards and proto-run pcbs which are usually rough and made as cheap as possible because you could go through many of them in the process of hammering out design bugs. these are not made to last, and seldom have any protective silk-screening, with parts hand-soldiered into place (they probibly dont even clean up the soldering flux to save time). and even then showing a prototype is not the same thing as showing a prototype doing something. they might have an ugly mass of electronics running a bootloader and a few lines of text printed to the screen. thats not at all exciting.
of course id like to point out that they did kinda show you the prototypes. case and controller mockups for example. they also show what i think is their mobo, which, assuming its the actual board (it could just be a tegra dev board from nividia), is in a well developed state. it could be their electronics design is in a finalized state and there are software side hold ups. the very fact that they are in the process of mocking up the case and controller seems to also indicate electronics design is mostly complete, it makes little since to design a case when the required dimensions are as of yet undetermined.
as for the controller, thats a trivial project. youre just sampling buttons, pots, and a touch-pad, packetizing it and transmitting it. there are a few ways to do this, and i assume they are just using bluetooth. so electronics there will be some kind of power, an mcu, a bluetooth transciever and the input gizmoes. you are probibly going to put more work into the shell design, which they have seemed to done already.
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That's the whole point of the article. People hate the current state of the video game industry and so when something like Ouya pops up, everyone gets excited and immediately proclaims it "BEST THING EVUH!" Never mind that they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to show, not even a controller and they want to finish everything in 8 months.
If they wanted to attract proper investors, they're doing a piss poor job of it. All they have is rhetoric, hopes and dreams. Show me something concrete. Have a working prototype? Show to it everyone then! You're an untested startup, not an established MNC. Right now the whole damn thing looks like a scam because it just sounds TOO good.
They aim for an environment that is open as possible for both developers and consumers. What's going to happen is tons of shovelware that make it nigh impossible to differentiate the good from the bad. Look at the Android market and how many developers have actually made it big?
There's also not a single game in development for Ouya. Not one. Why would developers bother with Ouya when they can go with a PC where there's already cheap dev kits and a huge install base? At this rate, Ouya is going to launch without games. Without games, no one will buy it. When no one buys it, no one will make games for it.
I get the sense that the developers are genuine about Ouya. Unfortunately, I think reality is going to come knocking soon.
of course people hate the current state of things and want something else. to be frank its amazing that people have been so willing to suck on that megalithic ms/sony/ea/etc cock this long. nothings new nothings original, nothings creative. megalithic companies throw millions at making games that suck, and the majority of the gamer zombies out there like the status quo so much they dont notice it when they shove a massive object up their rectum. i want to see return the days of small dev studios with miniscule budgets turning out epic success after epic success.
also hardware design is trivial today. i can design boards on my cheap computer and cut them in my kitchen sink, and populate it with no more than $50 in parts, and have a decent computing platform. people with more money can send their designed to some fab house in china and produce professional grade boards for a few hundred bucks a run. and seriously a controller isnt that hard to produce either. i see people on hack a day constantly turning old consoles into laptops using forms of 3d printing, vacuuforming, laser cutting and all that stuff. if you haven't noticed were in the middle of a home manufacturing craze. 3d printers and laser cutters go for < $1000 now. manufacturing is cheaper than ever. thats peanuts compared to the budget they've raised so far.
things like arduino and raspberry pi are flying of the shelves making people loads of money. an open source console (i doubt that this one is going to be 100% open, but thats irrelevant) isnt to far around the corner. we already have all kinds of retro gaming systems coming out of the open source hardware movement. this is just one more iteration in a long chain of successes where everyone said they would fail each and every time.
Well take a look at their survey asking people what games they want to see on Ouya.
Skyrim
Need For Speed
Battlefield
Terraria
League of Legends
Super Meat Boy
FIFA
Final Fantasy
Mass Effect
Call Of Duty
Assassin's Creed
Battletoads
Grand Theft Auto
Limbo
Minecraft
Torchlight
Fez
Timesplitter
Bastion
Dungeon Defenders
A good chunk of them are AAA games from the Oh-so-evil EA/MS/Sony/Activision. You understand what Ouya wants to do but the vast majority of people want a 'low-end' console to just play AAA games. None of them are even Android games to even begin with.
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i dont even want to play aaa titles on my pc, and i dont want them on ouya either. the true quality of this thing is that it brings indie games to the console. i do not consider the contents of this poll to be anything other than market research. its not a statement saying that all these games will be supported.
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You know what would be awesome for this thing? Olde-schoole RPGs, or RPGs in that vein. A game like Avernum takes very little processing power from sophisticated hardware, delivers hundreds of hours of entertainment, and is well-suited to sitting down and playing for a couple of minutes or hours, and then letting be - very relaxed indeed. Avernum 2 takes up less than 40MB of HD space on my computer as well. :D
...Admittedly, that may be too old-school for the majority of gamers (and Exile is even MOAR old-school...), but something like Genforge could work really, really well on something like this. I'm noting Spiderweb products in paricular here, as I've enjoyed every program of theirs I've tried (as well as owned) to date, and I think those products would port well to this OS. It would be nice to see their company do well because of a platform like this.
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I fail to see why the system running Android is even a problem. I think it's wonderful, actually, because this could be a ticket for many indie devs like myself to dabble into for console development. Developing for Windows/major desktop Linux distros/OS X gets old after a while.
Another potentially widely available console? Sounds damn good to me.
(Also, you guys probably already knew this, but Android more or less is a stripped down Linux distribution--it runs on the Linux kernel, anyways)
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Skyrim
Need For Speed
Battlefield
Terraria
League of Legends
Super Meat Boy
FIFA
Final Fantasy
Mass Effect
Call Of Duty
Assassin's Creed
Battletoads
Grand Theft Auto
Limbo
Minecraft
Torchlight
Fez
Timesplitter
Bastion
Dungeon Defenders
A good chunk of them are AAA games from the Oh-so-evil EA/MS/Sony/Activision. You understand what Ouya wants to do but the vast majority of people want a 'low-end' console to just play AAA games. None of them are even Android games to even begin with.
Final Fantasy 3 is now one of the most expensive (over 10$) and at the same time most successful (top 4 a while ago) apps in the Android market...
... which is really telling in regards to the quality of the Android "gaming" ecosystem as a whole... it's pretty much sh*** all over with old (handheld) console/PC ports like FF3 (or GTA3, Minecraft, or even things like GEMRB or SCUMMVM that allow you to run old Bioware and Lucasarts titles) literally outclassing every single new/recent game that has been specifically developped for the platform, in both quality and depth... by lightyears.
So even if every Android game runs on the Ouya, the games available are still rather ****ty even when compared to the games that are available for current mobile gaming systems like the 3DS/old gameboy.
Furthermore... about half of the games on Android already look ****ty on a Tablet because the texture resolution/graphics have too little detail and/or even appear quite horribly pixelated on a tablet sized screen.... and those guys want to put those graphics on a TV? right...
Finally... the few "good" games that are available are pretty much all ports that often work better/are more enjoyable on their original platform.
(With a few exceptions... the above mentioned FF3 for instance, does work really nice on Android.)
The only thing it has going for it really, as mentioned, is that it is cheap enough to qualify as a novelty / impulse buy. - that is... if they manage to actually produce working units in the promised numbers.
In summary: It's really hard to imagine a product with more issues and shortcomings and even less of a viable niche than the OUYA... consequently... in todays technology market, it will propably turn out to be a great success, most likely due to it's shiny exterior and controller.
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Personally, I don't know who would want to sit down for hours at a time to play a game on a cell phone... maybe a tablet could be more fun, but still. When you sell a product for 5 to 10 dollars, the product more often than not reflects its cost, wether it be a new game that's a pile of rubbish or an old game that the company can't effectively sell for use on modern systems anymore. Something like OUYA changes this dynamic, because there's now a much greater incentive to produce a quality product that people will buy.
...And tell me, if a product is good, why would I not want to port it to another platform if it will attract customers? The next thing is obvious - people love abandonware and old games oft as much as they do new ones. I think your argument could use a little work.
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of course people hate the current state of things and want something else. to be frank its amazing that people have been so willing to suck on that megalithic ms/sony/ea/etc cock this long. nothings new nothings original, nothings creative. megalithic companies throw millions at making games that suck, and the majority of the gamer zombies out there like the status quo so much they dont notice it when they shove a massive object up their rectum. i want to see return the days of small dev studios with miniscule budgets turning out epic success after epic success.
Fuuuucking thiiisssss a thousand times over.
Skyrim
Need For Speed
Battlefield
Terraria
League of Legends
Super Meat Boy
FIFA
Final Fantasy
Mass Effect
Call Of Duty
Assassin's Creed
Battletoads <-- lol 4chan
Grand Theft Auto
Limbo
Minecraft
Torchlight
Fez
Timesplitter
Bastion
Dungeon Defenders
How the **** do you even play league of legends on anything that is not a mouse and keyboard?
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...And tell me, if a product is good, why would I not want to port it to another platform if it will attract customers
Many of the major publisher and surprisingly even some indie developers are still scared sh**less about piracy on any open platform that is not buried to its neck in DRM.
Just saying. ;)
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...And tell me, if a product is good, why would I not want to port it to another platform if it will attract customers
Many of the major publisher and surprisingly even some indie developers are still scared sh**less about piracy on any open platform that is not buried to its neck in DRM.
Just saying. ;)
everyone is going to have issues with piracy. of course if you drop the price of games to < $15 it becomes less likely because its more of an impulse buy than an investment. people spend that kind of money without thinking anymore. you might pirate that $70 title that doesn't even have a demo option because you dont want to get ripped off. with call home license verification schemes that seem popular these days (i bet all next gen consoles will have this), i very much doubt piracy will be a concern. it will happen, people will hack **** and make it possible, but a much larger number of people would just forgo the hassle of piracy when a game only costs $10 to begin with.
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The only problem I'm seeing with this is that it runs on... Android.
Wtf why not just go with a non-mobile phone linux distro?
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The only problem I'm seeing with this is that it runs on... Android.
Wtf why not just go with a non-mobile phone linux distro?
Implying Android is only purposed for running on mobile phones. Just like Windows, right?
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How the **** do you even play league of legends on anything that is not a mouse and keyboard?
A very good question. Maybe it'll be possible to use a mouse and keyboard with the OUYA?
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it has one USB 2.0 port so perhaps you could plug in one of those Mouse/Keyboard wireless hub things?
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The only problem I'm seeing with this is that it runs on... Android.
Wtf why not just go with a non-mobile phone linux distro?
Yes, great idea, roll your own distro that can run on ARM-based SoCs, has its own infrastructure.....
Better to stick with a proven, fit-for-purpose OS that you can tweak to your desires than to try and create your own mess.
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the only real requirement is to be able to unload resource hogging features of the os to be able to maximize performance on the game thats running. things like multitasking would need to be reduced or disabled. though being a quad core cpu thats not really an issue. apis need to be really close to the hardware with as few layers of bull**** as possible (windows is horrible in this regard).
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They are looking for additional/external investors, according to: http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Android/Ouya/news.asp?c=43141