[Mobius]

In Capella. They had only a few destroyers...in Capella! They didn't want to penetrate in GTVA space with a consistent force. Everything they needed was an high number of Juggernauts to destroy Capella.

[Snail]

My question is, what makes you think there are few destroyers in Capella?

[Mobius]

They didn't need so many destroyers. They just wanted to blow the star up. Three Ravanas and one or two Demons should have been enough.

[Snail]

I KNOW!

But what EVIDENCE do you have that there are only 5 destroyers in Capella?

[Mobius]

The Messana, the Aquitaine and the 3rd Fleet Headquarters survived for a while. That's a valid explanation

[Snail]

Maybe the destroyers were protecting the Saths?

[Mobius]

No.

1) We don't see them in the final cutscene;

2) Destroyers escorting the Sathanes...are never mentioned;

[Snail]

Hmmm... Well we never see that many Sathanes in-game either.

[Mobius]

The dots are supposed to represent many Sathanes. FRED has certain limits, remember

[Snail]

Ok. But just because we don't see the Ravanas doesn't mean they're not there.

[Mobius]

Helloo? The Nebiros and the Beast seem enough. And there were no other Shivan destroyers in Into the Lion's Den, for example.

[Snail]

There were only 9 Sathanes in Into the Lion's Den...

[Mobius]

And two Rakshasas, plus the Nebiros. An awesome Shivan presence. There could have been other Shivan destroyers with the Sathanes. They could have been added without problems...

[Snail]

The Nebiros arrived at the last moment.

[Ghostavo]

They didn't need so many destroyers. They just wanted to blow the star up. Three Ravanas and one or two Demons should have been enough.

How do you know they just wanted Capella to go nova? What makes you think that if left without oposition they wouldn't have ventured further into GTVA space?

Also, each time a Sathanas is sighted in GTVA space ingame, it had a destroyer close by. The first Sathanas had a Demon following it. The Sathanas that went after the Colossus had a Ravana going after the Colossus too just a few seconds before.

[Snail]

How do you know they just wanted Capella to go nova? What makes you think that if left without oposition they wouldn't have ventured further into GTVA space?

There were no enemy capships attempting to get through the Epsilon Pegasi node.

Also, each time a Sathanas is sighted in GTVA space ingame, it had a destroyer close by. The first Sathanas had a Demon following it. The Sathanas that went after the Colossus had a Ravana going after the Colossus too just a few seconds before.

Thanks, Ghostavo. Good point.

[Mobius]

The Nebiros arrived at the last moment.

In fact, no other Shivan destroyer attacks the 3rd Fleet Headquarters. A valid proof.

How do you know they just wanted Capella to go nova? What makes you think that if left without oposition they wouldn't have ventured further into GTVA space?

They had two choices...

1) Make Capella go supernova;

2) Penetrate in GTVA space;

They sortied an high number of Sathanes, not even Luciferi. They wanted to destroy a star, not to bombard planets.

And how could they send in an immense fleet with Capella going supernova? They simply couldn't do both things.

Also, each time a Sathanas is sighted in GTVA space ingame, it had a destroyer close by. The first Sathanas had a Demon following it. The Sathanas that went after the Colossus had a Ravana going after the Colossus too just a few seconds before.

That is more a coincidence, or a gameplay choice. didn't want Bearbaiting to finish after the departure of the Sathanas. And they didn't want to send Sathanas 17 against the Colossus. The fact that two Shivan destroyers preceed/follow a Sathanas is a coincidence.

[Ghostavo]

How do you know they just wanted Capella to go nova? What makes you think that if left without oposition they wouldn't have ventured further into GTVA space?

They had two choices...

1) Make Capella go supernova;

2) Penetrate in GTVA space;

They sortied an high number of Sathanes, not even Luciferi. They wanted to destroy a star, not to bombard planets.

How do you even know they wanted Capella to go supernova? The fact that several Sathanas are rendered powerless before being destroyed by it puzzles that decision.

And how could they send in an immense fleet with Capella going supernova? They simply couldn't do both things.

Then why do ships continue to enter Capella in spite of the Shivans not encountering almost any oposition?

Also, each time a Sathanas is sighted in GTVA space ingame, it had a destroyer close by. The first Sathanas had a Demon following it. The Sathanas that went after the Colossus had a Ravana going after the Colossus too just a few seconds before.

That is more a coincidence, or a gameplay choice. didn't want Bearbaiting to finish after the departure of the Sathanas. And they didn't want to send Sathanas 17 against the Colossus. The fact that two Shivan destroyers preceed/follow a Sathanas is a coincidence.

If you start excusing things as "coincidences" or "gameplay choices" you get nowhere. I can also say that decided not to show any more destroyers for "gameplay choices" or that they wanted the player to worry more about the 80+ Sathanas armada instead of the 100+ destroyers supporting it or that they didn't want to make BOE missions to lag the player's computer, etc...

[TrashMan]

What were those Saths doing for 3 days around Capella then, if not powering up their uber-weapon?

It would be extreemly idiotic to send in a fleet in a systems that about to be vaporized by you. It's like USA sending troops in a city it's about to nuke.

Granted, shivans show absolutely no regard for their own lives..

[Mobius]

How do you even know they wanted Capella to go supernova? The fact that several Sathanas are rendered powerless before being destroyed by it puzzles that decision.

The loss of those Sathanes was either unexpected or expected. In any case, the Shivans sacrifice their units very often.

Then why do ships continue to enter Capella in spite of the Shivans not encountering almost any oposition?

There's an opposition! The Colossus and many other GTVA vessels, plus plenties of fighter and bomber squadrons. And some Shivan forces attempted to penetrate in GTVA space. It wasn't an invasion force, they simply wanted to kill civilians. Or they simply realized that remaining in Capella, with the imminent supernova, was stupid.

And who knows what the freighters that appear in Their Finest Hour were carrying? Maybe something that would have ensured the survival of the Sathanes that powered down.

If you start excusing things as "coincidences" or "gameplay choices" you get nowhere. I can also say that decided not to show any more destroyers for "gameplay choices" or that they wanted the player to worry more about the 80+ Sathanas armada instead of the 100+ destroyers supporting it or that they didn't want to make BOE missions to lag the player's computer, etc...

But Petrarch mentioned an big Juggernaut fleet, and nothing else. This leads me to think that the number of Shivan destroyers in Capella was "regular". Nothing out of the ordinary.

What were those Saths doing for 3 days around Capella then, if not powering up their uber-weapon?

It would be extreemly idiot to send in a fleet in a systems that about to be vaporized by you. It's like USA sending troops in a city it's about to nuke.

Granted, sivans show absolutely no regard for their own lives..