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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: CptWhite on February 03, 2002, 07:29:00 am
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ok i need some help just upgraded to a Ge Force 3 Ti 200, from a Ge Force2 GTS, and fs2 always hard crashes about 5 minutes into the game without fail....ive tried drivers bios flash.....different display modes.....i cant find the solution or the problem...please help me any idea anyone ?
i might try removing sound card as a last resort.....this is only happening in fs2 and after the new card was installed...everything else runs fine .......
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I have a GForce2 works fine for me in winxp. before i had XP a week ago and i ran fs2 whit geforce2 it crashed also and some other weird things but in XP it works fine. If you are already runnin XP then i don't know what the prob is...or win doesn't like the new drivers (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Hmm... I own a Elsa Gladiac 920 GeForce 3, which is basically a TI 200, and I've had no problems so far. Except that I can't play it in Glide, but thats not a shock. It runs fine in DirectX. Could you put up you're comp stats? That might help to see if there's any known conflicts...
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soundblaster128 pci
win 98 first edition...maybe its time to get xp ??
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Yup it's time to go to XP maby thats why FS2 crashes after 5 min, becaus it doesn't like the drivers or the amount of DDR on the card.
And Dark, Gforce cards don't support Glide that only have 3DFX cards the rest of the cards that arent 3DFX based support OGL.
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Hmm, not that different from mine, except for the soundcard... Ok, have you installed the latest Via 4in1 drivers and IDE tool? Cause if I remember correctly, windows doesen't install the proper AGP drivers for the geforce card. It won't hurt to install them.
But I really think you should get a new soundcard. That one is a wee bit old. They aren't that expensive, and trust me, you'll hear the difference. If you're gonna get one, you have to remember some things. The SB Live! series has some problems with VIA chipset and bios, but if you've flashed it, than no worries, I suggest you check it up anyway. But if you get the SB Audigy (which I have and had no problems with it so far), it ain't that dissimilar, except it won't have any of the major problems as the Live! series had.
Upgrading to XP also solves ALOT of problems, BUT there is one down side. The SB16 emulator will not be supported in it. However, I've found a program that contains it's own emulator, and will work for XP.
Anyway, it could be that the VIA 4in1 drivers aren't installed which might be bugging up the game, or the the soundcard.
Hope some of this helps...
But for any other reason, upgrade you're sound card, you'll hear the difference! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by darkage:
And Dark, Gforce cards don't support Glide that only have 3DFX cards the rest of the cards that arent 3DFX based support OGL.
Yeah, I know.
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i know ive run that VIA 4in1 thing before but maybe not the latest version ??? is that different to bios flash...im not really cluded up on all this can someone elaborate in simpleton terms cheers (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) and thanks for the help...a trip to the pc store seems in order (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
the asus website is running as fast as.....and getting the latest software is becoming a real chore..
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I have a standard (non-Ti) GeForce3 that is overclocked to 250/575mhz and it runs perfectly fine on WinME; your symptoms point towards heat issues though, so you might want to check the temperature levels and make sure those are within acceptable parameters. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by CP5670:
I have a standard (non-Ti) GeForce3 that is overclocked to 250/575mhz and it runs perfectly fine on WinME; your symptoms point towards heat issues though, so you might want to check the temperature levels and make sure those are within acceptable parameters. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Dude the TI version has a fan as big as a fridge on it..And also for the CPU the TBird series come whit a 900mzh/1.2ghz CPU coolers (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) atleast thats a standard here in holland (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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its not a heat issue that im sure of , im going to watch the clock time in freespace 2 , but i bet it crashes on 5,03 minutes every time as it always appears to be the same amount of time...i'll check (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
but this is only occuring in fs2 ....still think its heat related (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by CptWhite:
its not a heat issue that im sure of , im going to watch the clock time in freespace 2 , but i bet it crashes on 5,03 minutes every time as it always appears to be the same amount of time...i'll check (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
but this is only occuring in fs2 ....still think its heat related (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
That never can have anything to do whit heat, the only thing i can come up is that you need to upgrade to WinXP because i think win98 1st edition can't handle the card very wel and it can't get the best out of it and XP can. so i think you should upgrade to XP download the XPdrivers and then try. Otherwise i have no idea.
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Dude the TI version has a fan as big as a fridge on it..And also for the CPU the TBird series come whit a 900mzh/1.2ghz CPU coolers (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) atleast thats a standard here in holland (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
The GF3 I had came with a medium-sized fan but I replaced that with a six-inch "Delta" fan for overclocking. (it is large enough to cover the entire graphics card (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)) The computer now has 11 fans of various sizes in it now and so I have not had any heating issues, but it is extremely loud for a computer. (sounds a lot like the venting system inside commercial airlines actually)
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Originally posted by CP5670:
The GF3 I had came with a medium-sized fan but I replaced that with a six-inch "Delta" fan for overclocking. (it is large enough to cover the entire graphics card (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)) The computer now has 11 fans of various sizes in it now and so I have not had any heating issues, but it is extremely loud for a computer. (sounds a lot like the venting system inside commercial airlines actually)
Lol..my old Geforce GPU fan was half the card (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) i changed it back top it's old one (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
and i have in total 6 fans...now all it needs is a airco (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by CptWhite:
ok i need some help just upgraded to a Ge Force 3 Ti 200, from a Ge Force2 GTS, and fs2 always hard crashes about 5 minutes into the game without fail....ive tried drivers bios flash.....different display modes.....i cant find the solution or the problem...please help me any idea anyone ?
i might try removing sound card as a last resort.....this is only happening in fs2 and after the new card was installed...everything else runs fine .......
*Maeglamor jumps up and down like a nut*
Send me your geforce 2 since you don't need it anymore. I live in Ireland, the postage will be cheap (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by darkage:
In 3 weeks i have the new Geforce 3 TI 500 or the Ati Radeon 8500 64mb DDR. the new Radeon will have 128mb DDR !!
I have one of the old radeon (the all in wonder), and it rules (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Yeah there very good indeed (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
a benchmark http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q1/020122/radeon7500-06.html ("http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q1/020122/radeon7500-06.html")
Under winXP it performce a litle bit slower but you would even notice it.
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Originally posted by darkage:
Yeah there very good indeed (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
a benchmark http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q1/020122/radeon7500-06.html ("http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q1/020122/radeon7500-06.html")
Under winXP it performce a litle bit slower but you would even notice it.
Yeah, but just wait for optimized drivers (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Really? WinXP performance slower? Most of my games are faster and smoother. I think it probably has to do with running in full 32bit model unlike the Win9.x setup which was 16bit/32bit.
I had problems running AGP4X under Win98SE, but under XP there are no problems. Time to upgrade CptWhite.
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Originally posted by IceFire:
Really? WinXP performance slower? Most of my games are faster and smoother. I think it probably has to do with running in full 32bit model unlike the Win9.x setup which was 16bit/32bit.
I had problems running AGP4X under Win98SE, but under XP there are no problems. Time to upgrade CptWhite.
Yeah but it is so minimal that you wouldn't even notice..But i think it where the drivers that they used for the Card when the new drivers are out it will run better on XP the win98se. The link i posted in my last post shows a benchmark in diferent modes and in diferent OS.
Indeed win98 doesn't like AGP4x very much and also the amount of memory and the type of memory it supports. i have absolutly no probs whit my card ( Geforce2 ) under XP.
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I only have a normal GF3 but it is running faster than the Ti500. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (160fps in FS2! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)) Have not really had any stability issues with it so far (aside from the usual Windows quirks) on an AGP4X interface though, and I am using WinME.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor:
*Maeglamor jumps up and down like a nut*
Send me your geforce 2 since you don't need it anymore. I live in Ireland, the postage will be cheap (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
*Maeglamor crosses fingers* (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
*Maeglamor clears throat through a megaphone*
AHEM. Someone's not paying attention
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I'd say its time go upgrade the OS. The first edition of Win98 is pretty flaky with the VIA 4-in-1 driver set. You either manage to get it installed or it'll give you a "registry error". Go figure. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) Personally, I'd go for Win2k. You get most of the features of XP and none of the bloat.
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ok i just.....
formatted
installed xp
installed freespace 2
installed via drivers (latest version)
installed dentonator drivers (23.11)
not in that specific orde (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
but i still get the same problem...xp says the error was something to do with the new card...which i suspected...i can get the error report if someone can understand what it means and help me solve the problem
still to try ripping out the sound card....
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I would say post the error report and we'll see maby somebody can help you (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by darkage:
Yeah but it is so minimal that you wouldn't even notice..
You are kidding right? When I upgraded to XP the performance improvement over 2k was eyeball obvious (which means a lot when you consider that it takes a fair bit to make me notice especially when I don't believe in benchmark programs) on exactly the same system. I can't think what the performance difference would be over 98. Even when I first upgraded to NT4.0 all those years ago the performance difference over 98 was eyeball obvious (even in only 32Mb of RAM).
Personally, I'd go for Win2k. You get most of the features of XP and none of the bloat. [/B]
Theres a lot of useful stuff in that "bloat" such as an improved application compatibility engine (M$ actually ported a lot of the contentious 9x API functions over to XP so when they were switched in they behave exactly the same as under 9x since its essentially the same code. Its still not perfect mind you but it shows an effort and with the engine in place theres no reason why it can't be perfect at some point down the track. Important when you consoder M$ are going to kill 9x off for good), increased performanced as mentioned before, better permission handling and despite everyones derision, the new interface is pretty damn cool too (although its perfectly acceptable to hate the default theme, just don't write Luna off based on it. See the "Silver" them or what is possible over at a site like http://www.themexp.org ("http://www.themexp.org") before coming to a conclusion)
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