Hard Light Productions Forums
Hosted Projects - Standalone => Diaspora => Topic started by: Angreifer on March 13, 2009, 10:06:15 pm
-
Well ladies and gentlemen, this is it. The end has begun. I'd say we've become as attached to Galactica as her crew, and I for one am truly sad to see the old girl go. But, it looks like the Old Man plans to send her out in style, the way she deserves. I'm looking forward to the end, because I think it's going to be truly great.
On that note, the one part of the episode that really jumped out at me was Kara's fiddling around with matching the music up to numbers. Music has commonly been described as very mathematical, and I can't help but wonder if she's on to something. So, my theory is this: the music is actually an encryption, and it contains a very important mathematical message, perhaps the equation to life itself.
Not long now until we finally know what the frak is up.
-
Firstly I'd like to point out rectangular photos/frames are now canon thanks to roslin's old house haha.
secondly I'm worried about what tonights episode means for the end. Granted its a two hour finale, but it looks as though its going to center mostly on happens with that fight and rescue. Leaving the question of what is the rest of the fleet gonna do/go/etc seemingly pretty unanswered. Although with lee going, roslin dying, and assuming it does truly become a one way trip, that leaves the fracked up quorum in charge because well zarek isn't around anymore. with baltar's people in a majority across the fleet.
I just have an unnerving, sort of unsatisfying fear that its going to be way open ended.
-
Black hole!
-
That was a fantastic episode. Some legendary shots in there, and the writing is great whenever Moore pens an episode.
Can't wait for next week. I think we're going to be satisfied.
-
My speculation based on observations and intuition. Possible SPOILER.
Didn't Baltar get blown-up with Six on Caprica during the initial attack? Watch the opening credits. Six has been in Baltar's head since the beginning and have you noticed how Cylons seem to pair up? Baltar is the only human who seem comfortable with Cylons. Could he be the oldest Cylon and the reason things are bound to repeat...The old hybrid saying it happened before and it'll happen again...That's why the group humans have split and Baltar's with the separate group. Maybe Baltar's job is to set up the "program" to begin the process again. Maybe all humans are really Cylons in a "Matrix" like state. All programed to trying to meet/discover/uncover information about the Creator. Most do not know they are Cylons, while the known Cylons are observers and/or control variables for program to try to uncover "perfect" of life...the Creator. Adama's job is to wipe the slate clean so the program can restart.
Maybe the new series Caprica is really a continuation of BSG. A prequel/sequel!? Food for thought.
-
Except he has a dad and all. Baltar, that is.
-
seaker, your theory is terrible.
I was hoping everyone but baltar's troop would step over to the volunteer side.
-
I was actually a little disappointed with the volunteer numbers, sure they may die, but what else do they have to live for at this point? I just expected there to be more people.
and seeker, we know who all the cylons are at this point, the 4 we have, and the 5th being daniel/presumably kara's dad. Also Caprica isn't a prequel other then the fact that it is on caprica, and has Bill's dad in it, other then that, pretty unrelated.
edit: cl1nt er frakture being right, that was what I meant with then the kara's dad being the extra "daniel" they talked about.
-
^5th is ellen.
-
Maybe the 7 is Zak Adama
that'd be lol worthy
-
He has a dad too. Unless the Adamas have Earth ancestry, it doesn't quiiiiiite work...
-
I think Baltar would know if he was a Cylon, due to his Cylon detector which did work. I bet the first person he'd test would be himself.
I'd find it hard to believe that he never mentioned it to anyone, including six, for the years they've been the RTF
-
I'm still going with "Starbuck's Dad = 7" theory. It would make the most sense.
-
Concur.
-
Concur.
-
I may have this part wrong, but I was surprised when Baltar didn't volunteer. I was expecting something like that to happen after his conversation with Lee. As it is Baltar just seems kind of flat and unfulfilled. Although chances are next episode he will volunteer for the mission (if he already didn't) as part of a deal with Lee. And now that we know what Baltar's father was like, I can understand why he tries so hard to be upper-class. I really wasn't expecting Baltar to actually give a damn about his father, but it seems like he actually loved the guy. A great episode for Baltar.
As to Galactica's end, I expect Adama and Roslin will ram Galactica into Cavil's baseship, forcing both of them into the black hole. I also think they are going to drop a nuke in the colony after they rescue Hera. But I really do hope they give us an actual ending to BSG, even if it is the usual trite Hollywood happy ending, and don't end the series Sopranos-style. That would suck.
-
I may have this part wrong, but I was surprised when Baltar didn't volunteer. I was expecting something like that to happen after his conversation with Lee. As it is Baltar just seems kind of flat and unfulfilled. Although chances are next episode he will volunteer for the mission (if he already didn't) as part of a deal with Lee.
While Baltar very well might end up volunteering, I hope he doesn't. It seems so obvious for him to try and redeem himself by volunteering that it comes off as almost cliche. His character has always been self serving and self preserving; why should that change now? Just because Lee had a heart to heart with him? No, Baltar can't volunteer because he needs to be there to be a leader of the RTF once Adama and Roslin go on their suicide mission.
-
To me it seems that the show has made Baltar less self-centered than at the beginning. Just look at how he gave up a wonderful evening with Caprica to take care of his dad. That is obviously pointing to Baltar being less than completely selfish.
-
To me it seems that the show has made Baltar less self-centered than at the beginning. Just look at how he gave up a wonderful evening with Caprica to take care of his dad. That is obviously pointing to Baltar being less than completely selfish.
And what kind of time loop caused Baltars' character development to affect him before the events of the Miniseries????
What Lee said about Baltar still is true, whatever he did in the past that seemed unselfish he ultimately only did for selfish reasons. It'll be interesting to see how they wrap up his story.
-
Galactica for a head on collison into the colony? Both end up in the singularity????
Maybe the Colony is where Kara Thrace ended up. John found her.........
Frak it, soon all will revelaed...
It better! if not im going to hunt down the producers of the show!!
Wonder if we will actually get abit of happiness in this show for once,
kind of feel good factor like when Apollo blew up the Cylon mine followed by the song "Wander My Friends" in season one....
-
Frak it, soon all will revelaed...
Given that we still have a prequel called The Plan to look forward to I wouldn't be 100% certain of that.
-
On that note, the one part of the episode that really jumped out at me was Kara's fiddling around with matching the music up to numbers. Music has commonly been described as very mathematical, and I can't help but wonder if she's on to something. So, my theory is this: the music is actually an encryption, and it contains a very important mathematical message, perhaps the equation to life itself.
An octave has eight notes, but the eighth is really just the first note twice as high in pitch. On a piano, that means the eighth string is half as long as the first. So the eight main notes I guess could be like A=1, B=13/14, C=6/7, D=11/14, E=5/7, F=9/14, G=4/7, A2=1/2, and so on... And then you get into flats and sharps which are more incremental-ish.
And then I suppose there's the length of the notes themselves, and the rests. 1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc...
Complicated. XP
-
Wonder if we will actually get abit of happiness in this show for once,
kind of feel good factor like when Apollo blew up the Cylon mine followed by the song "Wander My Friends" in season one....
That's not really Ron Moore's style...the only reason we got that feel good episode was because the network was whining that the show was too depressing and he had to have something cheery or else they'd lose viewers.
-
he had to have something cheery or else they'd lose viewers.
They didn't realize the show's fans are all masochists anyway.
-
don't forget, we have lost kara ones and we got her back with a rand new viper. and baltar said "those who are not afraid to die will live forever"(or something like that). so we could say the volunteers are not afraid to die. so we have the chance that they will be "reborn" and that we will get out of this with a brand new galactica.(she's a battlestar. she's never afraid of dying!)
BTW. i still miss the ships of light from TOS. or what comes next to your mind when you think of head 6, head baltar and the "enlightened" persons in the temple?
just my 2 €-cent
-
I do hope there is a positive ending in there somewhere. Even if its a bittersweet ending...some sort of happiness is deserved. I'd prefer it not to be a total tragedy.
Also I've said it before but a massive space battle to end all space battles would be excellent :)
-
Hey anyone remember how Adama said that Anders had given them the coordinates to locate the colony? Anyone know how that happened? Did it have to do with the song?
-
Hey anyone remember how Adama said that Anders had given them the coordinates to locate the colony? Anyone know how that happened? Did it have to do with the song?
I don't think it was the song. Adama and Starbuck just asked him.
-
Yeah, that seemed a bit funny. I thought the point of Cavill moving the colony was that the other cylons wouldn't be able to find it now? Sweet spot he found, anyway :P
But, as for the epic rescue plan/suicide, I'm confused. Is Galactica going into her biggest battle after having been stripped down? It seems that the most likely course for the battle to take would be for Galactica to jump in, break in half, then Cavill's forces to nuke the debris into dust and sweep it into the black hole.
-
Yeah, that seemed a bit funny. I thought the point of Cavill moving the colony was that the other cylons wouldn't be able to find it now? Sweet spot he found, anyway :P
But, as for the epic rescue plan/suicide, I'm confused. Is Galactica going into her biggest battle after having been stripped down? It seems that the most likely course for the battle to take would be for Galactica to jump in, break in half, then Cavill's forces to nuke the debris into dust and sweep it into the black hole.
Odds are (from the preview) they'll be close enough to the Colony to effect a boarding action -- literally ram the old girl right into the target. Remember, they're jumping in just one klick away, maybe less (don't recall.)
-
Ooh! Maybe since they're gonna be right there on a black hole, we'll get to see some spaghettification!
-
I'm not really seeing how they can pull this off. The Galactica isn't even space worthy at this point, let alone combat ready. The baseship is the only viable capital ship left, but I think it will likely be left behind to protect the fleet.
I'm also not getting how this is the end of humanity, the civilian fleet will be left out of danger for this and should find a new home soon.
-
I'm not really seeing how they can pull this off. The Galactica isn't even space worthy at this point, let alone combat ready. The baseship is the only viable capital ship left, but I think it will likely be left behind to protect the fleet.
I'm also not getting how this is the end of humanity, the civilian fleet will be left out of danger for this and should find a new home soon.
Unless Baltar is guided to enact the mass suicide/'crossing over' of the human race. Read the foreshadowing!
-
Space kool-aid. What every sci-fi tv series needs.
I'm also not getting how this is the end of humanity, the civilian fleet will be left out of danger for this and should find a new home soon.
It looks like most of the government and a good chunk of the military is going. Humanity will likely have a difficult time of it without all the main characters.
-
I'm going to have to agree with some previous hypothesis. Baltar said that those who could face death would truly live forever. The people who chose not to volunteer may evacuate to other ships; while the Galactica and the Basestar (with several thousand volunteers) jump in, own the Colony, then go through the black hole and crash on Kobol in the past.
All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
-
Im wondering if 'sean alison' the guy who killed Roslin's sisters really Adama??? Or Tigh?
-
Im wondering if 'sean alison' the guy who killed Roslin's sisters really Adama??? Or Tigh?
Do we know that was Sean Allison? The drunk driver in the crash?
-
Baltar not volunteering for the suicide mission makes perfect sense. Its been established that he's a self serving weasel. With Adama, Tigh, Lee, Starbuck, Roslin, Helo, and the rest of the final five, all gone and out of the way, there will be no one to challenge Baltar for leadership of the fleet. If anything the REAL opportunity is to NOT volunteer.
-
I'm going to have to agree with some previous hypothesis. Baltar said that those who could face death would truly live forever. The people who chose not to volunteer may evacuate to other ships; while the Galactica and the Basestar (with several thousand volunteers) jump in, own the Colony, then go through the black hole and crash on Kobol in the past.
All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
That didn't look like several thousand volunteers...
I hope the black hole doesn't create time travel, though. XP
-
I hope the black hole doesn't create time travel, though. XP
Yeah, a temporal cop out would be quite annoying.
-
I'm going to have to agree with some previous hypothesis. Baltar said that those who could face death would truly live forever. The people who chose not to volunteer may evacuate to other ships; while the Galactica and the Basestar (with several thousand volunteers) jump in, own the Colony, then go through the black hole and crash on Kobol in the past.
All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
That didn't look like several thousand volunteers...
I hope the black hole doesn't create time travel, though. XP
You didn't see the entire hanger deck. They also probably hailed the civ ships and asked for volunteers to be shuttled over.
-
You could see all the people, though. There were a lot more on the left side.
What good are civilians? Are they gonna train new pilots in 30 minutes or what?
-
I think most of them know how to hold a gun.
They're not just there to blow up the base, but to retrieve Hera
-
Seeing as all the people we could see in the deck probably aren't enough as it is to crew a ship this size (as we know that Galactica has a crew of approximately 2000 men) we should see it in the constrains of a TV show, as it is probably very hard to get 2000 extras in the set. We should see it as the proportions of the crew who volunteered or not.
-
Don't forget Adama also conscripted all the mutinous crew from the brig.
-
It looked like 1.5-2 times as many on the left side. Still doesn't seem like "thousands."
-
Nor did it look like All of Galactica's crew was assembled in the launch bay.
-
So, did anyone else notice, "naked singularity?" This is not just any black hole. It shouldn't even be possible.
-
Does that mean no event horizon?
I thought you couldn't get near a black hole even if you stayed outside the event horizon because the black hole warps space.
-
Yep, that's it exactly. At least, that's what Wikipedia says about it. It's at least theoretically possible that these things exist, but noone has yet found one.
-
In old-form general relativity, a singularity would be a flaw in space-time, a discontinuity, a location of infinite density and space-time curvature. Black holes cloak that singularity in an event horizon (which should form before the singularity does during stellar collapse) such that, despite all the gross violations of physical law that the singularity seems to imply, none of it matters because it cannot effect the outside universe. Nothing that happens inside the event horizon can influence anything outside. Break all the rules you want inside that horizon; no harm, no foul. That's usually referred to as the Cosmic Censorship Hypothesis.
But, if the singularity is naked, if there is no event horizon... Well, that's not supposed to happen. Some quantum gravity theories say it could happen, though. And I think there may even be a solution... yeah, pretty sure, there is a solution in old-form general relativity where, if the black hole is spinning fast enough, the event horizons collapse and the singularity is exposed. Depending on what (if any) modern theories of gravitation you buy into, that can be ok (it wouldn't really be a singularity, density would be unable to truly become infinite) or it could be very very WTF. I mean, what you basically have is a place where the universe ends, and it is exposed for all the world to see.
;7 Man, I'm dying to know where they are taking this.
-
Science!
Man, I learn so much in these forums.
-
I think most of them know how to hold a gun.
They're not just there to blow up the base, but to retrieve Hera
Remember how Starbuck is the "Harbinger of Death"? We haven't seen her doom humanity yet. And the "parking spot" actually seems really close to the colony i actually think that no matter what the cylons would do to Galactica at that point when its hurtling towards them, controlled or uncontrolled, it will end up smashing into the colony in either one or more parts but will in any case mess it up big time. So it seems logical that htere would be a rescue operation first, it should be covert and be cylon vehicles only to avoid detection. Then when the **** hits the fan galactica jumps in, basestar does too, vipers launch, its a frekin furball and all out combat but the rescue group jumps out, followed by the attack group if it survives. Now that would leave a mixed cylon-human race with Hera, the key to everything, and the whole bright future ahead of them. It's like 4 in the morning here and I'm tired but just wanted to put my thoughts in.
-
I think most of them know how to hold a gun.
They're not just there to blow up the base, but to retrieve Hera
Remember how Starbuck is the "Harbinger of Death"? We haven't seen her doom humanity yet. And the "parking spot" actually seems really close to the colony i actually think that no matter what the cylons would do to Galactica at that point when its hurtling towards them, controlled or uncontrolled, it will end up smashing into the colony in either one or more parts but will in any case mess it up big time. So it seems logical that htere would be a rescue operation first, it should be covert and be cylon vehicles only to avoid detection. Then when the **** hits the fan galactica jumps in, basestar does too, vipers launch, its a frekin furball and all out combat but the rescue group jumps out, followed by the attack group if it survives. Now that would leave a mixed cylon-human race with Hera, the key to everything, and the whole bright future ahead of them. It's like 4 in the morning here and I'm tired but just wanted to put my thoughts in.
The Galactica is definately going down. The Basestar can't come too, that's just stupid. I wouldn't put it past Cavil to try to destroy the fleet in that case. That aside, after the Galactica is gone, the Basestar is their only defense...
Really, it all depends on how much firepower Cavil has.
-
I think most of them know how to hold a gun.
They're not just there to blow up the base, but to retrieve Hera
Remember how Starbuck is the "Harbinger of Death"? We haven't seen her doom humanity yet.
Well, in "Guess What's Coming to Dinner," they implied "Harbinger of Death" may have referred to Kara facilitating the destruction of the Resurrection Hub by bringing about the alliance between the Fleet and the Rebel Baseship. The "end" of humanity she's leading them to may not be all bad.
-
I think most of them know how to hold a gun.
They're not just there to blow up the base, but to retrieve Hera
Remember how Starbuck is the "Harbinger of Death"? We haven't seen her doom humanity yet.
Well, in "Guess What's Coming to Dinner," they implied "Harbinger of Death" may have referred to Kara facilitating the destruction of the Resurrection Hub by bringing about the alliance between the Fleet and the Rebel Baseship. The "end" of humanity she's leading them to may not be all bad.
But it'd be weird to have Hybrids (like on Sam Anders) still referring to her as the 'Harbinger of Death' if that wasn't going to mean something.
-
Find a world fit for the end of Kara Thrace?
-
[
Well, in "Guess What's Coming to Dinner," they implied "Harbinger of Death" may have referred to Kara facilitating the destruction of the Resurrection Hub by bringing about the alliance between the Fleet and the Rebel Baseship. The "end" of humanity she's leading them to may not be all bad.
But it'd be weird to have Hybrids (like on Sam Anders) still referring to her as the 'Harbinger of Death' if that wasn't going to mean something.
It's the Cylons who holde her as the harbinger of death, not the humans, so perhaps she'll do something that destroys the Cylons and saves the humans?
The black hole will probably play a role in the colony's destruction - Galactica just needs to nudge the colony into it.