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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Fate of the Galaxy => Topic started by: LordMelvin on February 10, 2010, 10:40:46 pm
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So I was browsing Brand-X's older model renders, and was struck by how freaking awesome his uglies were and are, especially the chirdaki'i (or however the frell you spell that frakking piece of gosa )
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2260/deathseedid8.jpg)
I'm trying (slowly, in my off time, when I'm not busy being sarcastic on the internets) to teach myself 3d modeling (after some thought I've decided not to start with an SSD...). Since any model I can come up with at this point will be (of necessity) ugly, I thought it appropriate to attempt an Ugly as my first model. The problem is this; Brand already did versions (may or may not have been before his crash, but either way, I don't feel comfortable competing...) of the 'canon uglies,' which means that I'm going to have to go farther afield.
So, long story short, I'd like to solicit suggestions for essentially stupid combinations of ship scraps that might be available as salvage for pirates to attempt to piece back together. Suggestions like "Cloud car chassis with Z-95 s-foils" or similar (although I don't actually like the design of the cloud car chassis, so that's not one I'd consider...)
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Great idea, I like it!
Thinking about junk floating around after battles, I would expect to find plenty of spare, mostly intact TIE solar panels floating around. You slap between one and four on any engine-cockpit combination and BAM! Ugly.
How about... an old YT freighter bridge, the engine pods from a Y-Wing, and a few solar panels to round it off.
That's all I have for now, but you can also consider Z-95 and X-Wing wings to be drifting around, complete with laser cannons.
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How about a Rebel Ugly, a Y-Wing cockpit and frontal assembly with X-Wing engines and S-Foils?
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clutch_(fighter) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clutch_(fighter))
The Clutch:
1) Used as the primary fighter by at least one serious post-Endor faction
2) Actually decently balanced against our other ships, unlike the canonically superpowerful Tie Advanced and (especially) Defender
3) Never had a picture or schematic drawn of it as far as I know, so you can make it awesome and try different stuff (as in Brand's EU reimagined series) without actually deviating from canon
4) Appears exclusively in the work of one of the better SW authors who specialized in fighter action, so it hasn't been tainted by the bad-EU stink
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Imperial missile boat with y-wing engine pods. Nice simple shape to get you started.
Or a carrack cruiser with a blockade runner head.
Firespray patrol craft with four or five tie panels slapped over it.
Mon cal with isd bridge.
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I'm changing my vote to A-wing engines and cockpit w/ Death Star superlaser ugly. It would have to be piloted with the Force by a whiny Jedi Padawan, but secretly it's controlled by IG-88, and the mesh is already way too wide and too narrow.
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A Y-wing with half a TIE bomber replacing each engine.
EDIT: In any case, you should be working off the existing (new) models and just taking whatever parts you need directly from those. It sounds like you were intending on re-modelling parts of the existing (new) models.
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Mon cal with isd bridge.
That doesn't make the slight bit of sense...
lolz.
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If you're going to be doing bits and pieces of fighters anyway, why not do it a different way? Model a fighter, say a Cloakshape (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cloakshape). Then model another fighter, maybe a T Wing (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-wing_interceptor). Then, combine them together to make an ugly - a T Shape. Then, instead of having half of one fighter and half of another, you make all of one fighter, all of the other, and get an ugly essentially for free.
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A B-wing with the S-foils replaced with outward canted Squint solar panels. :P
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I imagine that'd be the perfect death trap. :P
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A B-wing with the S-foils replaced with outward canted Squint solar panels. :P
that could be quite dangerous, the solar array would provide extra power and the squint mounts its cannons on the solar arrays (probably better with TIE/D as those wings are already mounted correctly and also have the cannons mounted on the solar panels) so you then double the firepower on each wing mount all on the same super robust B-wing chassis and shield system
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I wanna see a DIE- and TYE-Wing. ;7
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We already had a DIE wing, but unfortunately that was lost in the HD crash
(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1369/diewingrender01dj0.jpg)
(http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6703/ugliesnm1.jpg)
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X wing foils on a y wing chassis.
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X-Wing Nose and Cockpit with Tie-interceptor Wings and a, in size reduced, Tantive enginesection :nervous:
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Star Destroyer bridge mounted on a TIE Fighter hull, with wings from an American Bald Eagle mounted behind the saucer section of the Enterprise-A, with Protocol droid heads instead of scanner globes.
Okay seriously, these are getting a bit rediculous
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Would we be able to fly uglies in the mod. XD
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Star Destroyer bridge mounted on a TIE Fighter hull...[snip]
The proportions are wrong for that. The fighter's hull isn't rounded enough.
Would we be able to fly uglies in the mod. XD
I'd imagine it may be possible, depending on the mission, but almost certainly wouldn't be desirable, since uglies are, by nature, lousy craft to fly.
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"...and arc, in his wisdom, declared he would lurk no more."
i doubt anyone remembers me, i beleive i made all of 3 posts about a year ago.
anyway, everyone seems to be missing some uglies form the 'corellian trilogy', namely x-ties and x-ceptors (my own name, cant remember the canon name).
think the inverse of that chir'daki. the x-tie i think has a laser cannon mounted in one of the torpedo bays and the x-ceptor has inverted interceptor panels.
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Personally I never like the looks of or liked flying the ugly/experimental. Never touched them if I had the option.
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As much as I was thinking that far ahead, I was considering them to be cannon fodder in some kind of bait-and-switch mission, where your training squad is dispatched to mop up a minor pirate base that's been attacking civilians, and then as you engage the uglies (and very quickly blow them out of the sky, because come on, they're uglies...) a light imperial force jumps in - maybe a lancer, carrack and 'dictor, or similar, on an analogous pirate hunting mission...
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Maybe the uglies were not even controlled by in game humans but simple AI...wait that sounds familiar :)
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i think they'd be a great option for pro players whom would want to show off, because they still have laser cannon(s), and therefore CAN still take on other craft, especially if the fighters in general have low-ish hitpoints, like some of those gameplay videos.
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Yes, in FoTG it's not the killing which is a problem, the problem is hitting.
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Hey, didn't I see a smiley on each engine of the TYE/DIE-Wing?
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Yeah, with that ugly I got to really have a lot of fun, as it's supposed to be a pirate fighter, so I added a shark grin like old WW2 fighters as a little affectation
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I'd like to see a lambda shuttles wings used on something. Just can't think what.
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how about the roof of a recreational landspeeder (SW version of a Winnebago), throw in some engines too.
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how about the roof of a recreational landspeeder (SW version of a Winnebago), throw in some engines too.
I'm going to lean a little bit further from the Mel Brooks stuff to start, although the one I'm currently working on will be based on the cockpit of a land-based vehicle. I should have a halfquarter-decent WIP before too long.
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We already had a DIE wing, but unfortunately that was lost in the HD crash
You wouldn't happen to have that HD lying around, would you?
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I'd like to see a lambda shuttles wings used on something. Just can't think what.
Like this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lancet_Aerial_Artillery (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lancet_Aerial_Artillery)? Not really an ugly though.
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(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5086/rough.jpg)
After spending an embarrassing amount of time trying to figure out how to do smoothgroups in the Blender 2.5 alpha release, here for your first-stage perusal is a rough render of a potential low-end ugly. The Deathtrap (for lack of a better name) is a motley collection of spare parts and is :rolleyes: quite useful when it comes to launching attacks on completely unarmed targets.
(And yes, I know the proportions are still a bit off.)
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I lol'd at the "box fighter" thing for a good 10 seconds before I realized that that's an AT-ST head! Mounted on Naboobian fighter engines! Then I lol'd harder.
Good job! :yes:
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It will hopefully be more recognizable once I add on the nose turret, top hatch and side gunpod (which the exo-atmospheric conversion process probably necessitated converting into some sort of sensor pod or something... Anti-personnel blasters don't seem quite apropos to a non-atmospheric environment).
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It will hopefully be more recognizable once I add on the nose turret, top hatch and side gunpod (which the exo-atmospheric conversion process probably necessitated converting into some sort of sensor pod or something... Anti-personnel blasters don't seem quite apropos to a non-atmospheric environment).
Are you kidding?!? Flying around in that thing, you'll want all the firepower you can get!
(You're braver than I thought)
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Might I suggest attaching the engines up a bit higher? Like near where the ear guns would go? SW has a lot of funny asymmetrical ship designs, but they generally have their engines lined up close to the center of mass like on a real ship/plane. As it is the ship looks like it would start doing backflips as soon as you throttled up. Also, Y-wing engines would probably be a lot more plausible for a ship made of spare parts, as the N-1 was an exotic fighter made in very small numbers by a single planet that had no standing army. It does look like it'd be pretty fun to blow up though. :)
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i would have gone with an AT-AT style for cockpit, the ST is a little too ridiculous for my taste
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AT-AT cockpit is as big as ... I dunno I'm guessing most of an an entire X-Wing, right? That's be more an Ugly gunship or bomber IMO
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AT-AT cockpit is as big as ... I dunno I'm guessing most of an an entire X-Wing, right? That's be more an Ugly gunship or bomber IMO
It might be more believable though - I mean...the AT-ST cockpit is pretty darn small as is, and I don't know if anyone could confirm that it does or doesn't actually contain any sort of life support? Either way...the whole thing is pretty ridiculous. It's like taking a Humvee or M2, bolting some jet/rocket engines on it, and expecting it to fly...and then survive in outer space.
But I've never really been keen on the whole idea of uglies in the first place. If you cut apart a Cessna and an F-16, you're gonna have a much harder time getting something flyable out of it than if you just repaired the individual planes as close as you could to their original specs. It just stretches the credulity too much for me.
Realistically, I could easily see some heavily modified Y-Wings, Z-95s, and transports of every shape and size making up the bulk of pirate or civilian fleet much more easily than a bunch of uglies. I mean...you don't think the Millennium Falcon was the only modified YT-1300 in the galaxy? I'd much rather see effort spent on creating interesting and plausible modifications to existing craft than on uglies...but that's just me.
Wow...sorry I didn't really mean for that to turn into as much of a rant as it did. :nervous:
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I tend to agree that the concept of a land walker as a space cockpit seems kind of far fetched, even for an ugly. Would rather see a mashup of existing spaceships.
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I think it depends on the skill and resources of whoever's doing the modification.
As for the AT-ST scenario, those you could just have piloted by droids / AI in the SW universe. And, in space, you can pretty much bolt rockets on anything and it will work. The only catch is life support. But really, all you have to do is make a rudimentary life-support + life vest suit (I think some TIEs used this?) and you're fine. (That goes for size, too - TIEs cockpits are about as big as an AT-ST or smaller, remember that the AT-ST is two-person crew, TIE fighter is one-person.)
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Death star with the wings from a wookie flying vehicle. . . . . Lots of them.
Or jabbas sand barge with six at-at legs. Or a bulk freighter covered in correlian corvette turret / escape pods.
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Life support likely wouldn't be a problem, as the Empire wouldn't have the vehicle in heavy use if it couldn't operate effectively in environments with no or unbreathable atmosphere. Either the cabin can be fully sealed with the viewports shut (as seen at Hoth), or more likely the driver and gunner would just wear pressurized suits like AT-AT operators/TIE pilots. That's not to say there wouldn't be huge problems getting it flying, but with the ruggedness of SW technology it's certainly believable for me. Beyond the obvious structural reinforcement that would be needed to prevent the engine pods from ripping off, whatever cargo room there is (wookiepedia lists 200kg) would have to be devoted to basic SW flight technology like repulsor coils, stabilization, navigation, the etheric rudder (though some of these might be found in the engines instead), etc. Hyperdrive and shields are probably disqualified on the bases of space, power, and cost requirements, so you're left with a ship that is slower and less agile than a bomber, has weaker armament than a fighter, no shields, and a hull that can be ripped apart by a couple hits from any decent cannon (as seen at Endor), pretty much a perfect ugly :yes: Really the only possible advantage it has is the turret E-web blaster cannons, which (although useless against anything with shields) might help dissuade a TIE fighter if it were outnumbered. Definitely not something you'd see a lot of, but a single one mixed in with a set of modified Z-95s/Die-ings/other uglies could add a bit of character to your pirate raid.
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If you can attach rockets to anything, then why would you use an AT-ST cockpit, of all things? TIE cockpits are probably more common and more space-worthy to begin with. Uglies were already a strange idea to begin with, but this...
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If you can attach rockets to anything, then why would you use an AT-ST cockpit, of all things? TIE cockpits are probably more common and more space-worthy to begin with. Uglies were already a strange idea to begin with, but this...
Three reasons spring to mind. - 1, in universe, an At-St can have heavier armor than a tie ball, and additional bulkheads can be layered on much more easily. It's not worth much, but the guy who would have built the Deathtrap (the name shall persist until a better one is proposed, or until I get my ice-skate concession up and running on Mustafar) isn't quite clever enough to realize how little difference that makes in SW/FOTG space combat.
- II; I'm trying to use vessels from film canon (as unrealistic as the N-1's engines may be thematically, but see next bullet point) and there just aren't many choices. (X-wing, Y-wing and Tie/LN are out, for now, see below. What's that leave?)
- C - I'm doing this to learn blender as much as to create an effective ship, and I don't see the point in duplicating Brand's beautiful work on his fighters with my horribly nubbish work to create a TIE/LN ball, Y-Wing nacelles or similar.
- And 4, fnord.
Realistically, I could easily see some heavily modified Y-Wings, Z-95s, and transports of every shape and size making up the bulk of pirate or civilian fleet much more easily than a bunch of uglies. I mean...you don't think the Millennium Falcon was the only modified YT-1300 in the galaxy? I'd much rather see effort spent on creating interesting and plausible modifications to existing craft than on uglies...but that's just me.
I agree that I'd love to see this, and once I get better at modeling things, I might give it a shot. Right now, though, I'll stick with a box on two tubes.
:rolleyes:
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Well, I must say that, I'm sorry but I still can't stand it. An AT-ST or even an AT-AT is not sealed for space use. Uglies are meant to be slap-dash looking, not hilarious. To be honest we're not looking for comedy in this mod. It might fit in some kind of Star Wars parody, but certainly not in this mod.
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Yea kitbashing uglies is one thing but this is a bit too far for my tastes. Simply put it's a ridiculous combo. After this it's a very small step towards a Snowspeeder/Jawa Sandcrawler hybrid :)
Still, as a modeling exercise, I suppose it's as good a shape as any.. it would just be very hard to take it seriously in a real, non-parody SW game.
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To be honest we're not looking for comedy in this mod.
Does this mean the battledroid theme song is out?
After this it's a very small step towards a Snowspeeder/Jawa Sandcrawler hybrid :)
Now you're talking!