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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
They're not re-imagined considering they look exactly the same as the TOS Cylons, same as the old Hades-class battlestar and the old flying wing cylon raider.
No, they don't look exactly the same. I don't mind new stuff, as long it predates the stuff we've seen in Razor ( remember it was the end of the War!)
and doesn't introduce ridiculous designs.



yes they do, or at least, very closely.

the only design I really liked that much from Razor was the Guardian baseship

EDIT: This pic is a whole lot better
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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
Hades, each "old" design in BSG was reimagined. They looked similar in essence but they were more of a homage to the old designs then a direct copy - if you started to take a close look at the details, you'd see they're not as similar as you think. You can see it clearly even on the pictures you linked, on the centurions; yes they're similar but definitely not identical. The old raider that appeared in razor looks significantly better than the old designs. Mark 1 shuttle has subtler differences but overall it was somewhat sleeker, and had subtle greeble differences. The only ship I'm not sure about is the tos baseship, because we never saw the CGI one in great detail - but I imagine they probably changed some things there as well. There were no direct copies of old designs used, but I do like staying faithful to the old designs in principle while improving them a bit here and there better than just replacing them with brand new stuff.
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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
Hades, each "old" design in BSG was reimagined. They looked similar in essence but they were more of a homage to the old designs then a direct copy - if you started to take a close look at the details, you'd see they're not as similar as you think. You can see it clearly even on the pictures you linked, on the centurions; yes they're similar but definitely not identical. The old raider that appeared in razor looks significantly better than the old designs. Mark 1 shuttle has subtler differences but overall it was somewhat sleeker, and had subtle greeble differences. The only ship I'm not sure about is the tos baseship, because we never saw the CGI one in great detail - but I imagine they probably changed some things there as well. There were no direct copies of old designs used, but I do like staying faithful to the old designs in principle while improving them a bit here and there better than just replacing them with brand new stuff.

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Yeah, I really didn't like those reimagined designs, they should just ditch them and do something new. They looked very...old.

 
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Those models are the 005s.The only difference between them and the tos centurions is they look more robotic rather then just being a guy in a suit. Also remember that the prototypes are the U87. So that means in between the U87 and 005 there were 4 other models. That fully rendered 3d cylon model in the concept art is probably one of those missing models.

 

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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
I'm not big on the classic centurions, they've always looked kinda goofy to me. We know the Cylons were working on skinjobs even before the 5 arrived, they just never quite got things right - I'm cool with some semiskinjob stuff.

The Colonials got caught with their pants down because the Toasters created exact human replicas and infiltrated their infrastructure, something completely unexpected.  If BloodChrome reveals that they were merely a hop skip and a jump away from humanoid Cylons back in 1CW and the Colonials knew it then it makes the Colonies pants on head moronic for allowing it to happen in the lead up to BSG.  If infiltration was a Toaster Tactic in 1CW then it breaks BSG's plot for me.
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"The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human... sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot" :D

Seriously though I could buy a robot that has synthetic skin over it. But fully organic humanoid cylons shouldn't appear before the events depicted in the bsg mini. The colonials need to be in complete dark about the Cylons going organic before getting nuked or you have a huge inconsistency on your hands.
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That concept art doesn't look like a particularly convincing infiltrator to me.

 

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Giant Cylon snow snake?
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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
There are already at least two different kinds of 1cw cylon, the pilot (right) and the soldier (left)

Or something.
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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
That concept art doesn't look like a particularly convincing infiltrator to me.

It's built to look like a woman, and apparently has the remains of a flesh and blood carapace on her right arm...

I think its fair to extrapolate that that chassis probably sported a  full epidermal covering.
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I like the TOS Centurions - the way they moved in TOS was their let down, the limitations of actors fumbling around blindly, but such were the technical production difficulties of the day.  Their CGI counterparts look very good, and I'd agree the changes were made just to make them look more mechanical and less like "the guy in the suit " the originals were.  Having the subtle differences between the pilot and solder (and any other) versions also helps with a touch of realism.  I think I prefer the new ones - they're certainly more intimidating with their height, their built-in weapons and claws and the deeper scanner noise.  The rendered version on that concept are reminds me too much of the Star Wars medical droid (2-1B or something like that) and doesn't look Cylon - they need to keep the single scanning red light.

As for the semi-hybrid, I agree that while it is clearly meant to be fully flesh covered as Slayer says, I also agree with him and Newman that the concept seems a Terminator rip-off and completely wrecks the new-BSG's recurring and underlying theme of not knowing who your friends and enemies are - it's an allegory of modern terrorism and guerilla warfare as faced in Iraq and Afghanistan, bringing its own sense of paranoia and distrust.  If the Cylons already had infiltrators, then the whole new- BSG premise fails to work.

 
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One way infiltrators would work in "Blood and Chrome" would be if no one lived to tell the tale. Anyone that learned the truth of one of these machines would have to meet their end. Of course such a huge advantage would have to be balanced out somehow so the two sides could reach the armistice. 
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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
Way better and simpler to just not go there.

There are already at least two different kinds of 1cw cylon, the pilot (right) and the soldier (left)




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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
One way infiltrators would work in "Blood and Chrome" would be if no one lived to tell the tale. Anyone that learned the truth of one of these machines would have to meet their end. Of course such a huge advantage would have to be balanced out somehow so the two sides could reach the armistice.


And it wouldn't be suspicious at all, having all those piles of bodys.  :P

Also, what newman said.

 
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I totally agree, I'd much rather see just robots fighting the first Cylon War. Unfortunately it's cheaper to have an actor on screen rather than CGI and I'd bet the rent they will find a way to do so.
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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
They're not re-imagined considering they look exactly the same as the TOS Cylons, same as the old Hades-class battlestar and the old flying wing cylon raider.
No, they don't look exactly the same. I don't mind new stuff, as long it predates the stuff we've seen in Razor ( remember it was the end of the War!)
and doesn't introduce ridiculous designs.


This is the only acceptable Cylon evolution:



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OMG LOLOLOL never seen thisb4 this utterly is the only truth .. frack when the toaster went rong... i pluged it in and it evovled into this guant cromed toaster O_O! i want a refund LOLOL!

 

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Re: BSG:Blood and Chrome concept art
If they already have the CGI models, wouldn't it be easier, cheaper and better for them to map the models onto live actors with "reference dot" costumes?