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Rebalance Capital ships for TvT games?

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Hades:
The first, it's impossible to make the UEF ships for boardside; it'd look silly having their mass drivers anywhere but the front.

As for the second point, I've done some of that. The Aeolus has 50 max speed, 70 overclock, and a 90 m/s afterburner. Though the Sanctus is a bit slower. I'm going to make the tev corvettes a bit faster than the uef frigates and make the Karuna, nara, bell, and chimera have slow turning and speed, as they are mobile artillery, basically, so that way they could be flanked among other things, meaning you'd need teamwork to protect them, by utilizing your sanctus/aeolus/deimos allies.

-Sara-:
I never said broadside mass drivers. :confused: Just stronger cannons.

Right now it's still too much a case of aim at the opponent and hope. There's no real strategy there (yet) safe Karuna vs Karuna, where one can turn their ship to intercept the incomming Apocalypse missiles, to then return fire again with frontal guns. That tactic alone allowed for winning most duels.

An entirely different idea (if possible) is making each cap ship the leader of a group (Alpha, Beta, Delta etc) and giving them three fighters they can command to do things, such as disarming or disabling enemy vessels.

bigchunk1:

--- Quote from: Hades on March 27, 2011, 05:44:17 pm ---...I'm going to make the tev corvettes a bit faster than the uef frigates and make the Karuna, nara, bell, and chimera have slow turning and speed, as they are mobile artillery, basically, so that way they could be flanked among other things, meaning you'd need teamwork to protect them, by utilizing your sanctus/aeolus/deimos allies.

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We'll see how this poll goes. Whatever decision we make I'd like it to be a collective one as this is a community project. Suffice to say, people have proposed some interesting ideas.


--- Quote from: -Sara- on March 27, 2011, 05:50:41 pm ---An entirely different idea (if possible) is making each cap ship the leader of a group (Alpha, Beta, Delta etc) and giving them three fighters they can command to do things, such as disarming or disabling enemy vessels.

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I like this idea. Perhaps orders could come from anyone on the team.

Droid803:

--- Quote from: -Sara- on March 27, 2011, 05:50:41 pm ---I never said broadside mass drivers. :confused: Just stronger cannons.

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That's rather dumb.
Seeing as the GTVA can handle broadside engagements just fine with the Deimos and Diomedes, and none of the UEF ships have demonstrated any real good broadside capability.

Why invert it?

Just leave the flanking to the GTVA...


--- Quote ---Personally I'd prefer an entirely thought out system and very carefully balanced setting which allows for using real proper tactics. So could Mass Drivers be moved to front-only, dedicating the broadsides to missile-interception with flak and pulse turrets, so that maneuvering the ship to face the opponent with it's broadside will allow for defense against missiles. GTVA ships can differ in that aspect by having capable cannons on their broadside, so that their strenght is trying to flank UEF vessels once getting a few good beam shots in. Therefor UEF vessels try to deal damage with their frontal Mass Drivers while GTVA ships try to force the UEF ships into submission by giving beam barrages, thus forcing those UEF ships to turn and lose their mass driver lock. It could be that UEF ships have slightly more armour, but that GTVA ships are faster.
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See, look how well that works.
All you need to do is provide some incentive for UEF ships to stop pointing at the enemy.

Direct-fire beams provide this incentive to a degree: if you eat powerful direct-fire beams head on, they'll sometimes punch through several subsystems at once. If you turn, they stand a fair chance of missing.

Unfortunately its reversed for slash beams...

General Battuta:

--- Quote ---Seeing as the GTVA can handle broadside engagements just fine with the Deimos and Diomedes, and none of the UEF ships have demonstrated any real good broadside capability.

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what about the brolaris

(actually a lot of UEF ships are good at broadside, and will kick GTVA ass, because point defense turrets + apocalypse on VLS is pretty sweet)

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