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Title: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Grizzly on April 20, 2009, 12:17:03 am: When I viewed Daybreak Part 2 again, I noticed that the Raptors had things attached to their noses that looked suspeciously like gun-pods.

And if they didn't have gunpods, it would make sense that they should at least be able to attach gunpods, as they seem to have a combined AWACS / Helicopter role in the BSG universe.

That leads to the question: Could an Raptor take down an Raider (and can we try in Diaspora)?
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: FraktuRe on April 20, 2009, 01:03:24 am: A raptor will frak your **** up right good.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Mefustae on April 20, 2009, 01:58:34 am: I would have thought the missile pods, underslung guns, and general ass-kickery of their ECM suite would do the job nicely against not just a single raider, but a full squadron.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: newman on April 20, 2009, 04:34:31 am: There are two variants of the raptor - the standard unarmed recon one, and the combat raptor, with the guns and missile pods attached.

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,61619.0.html

There's a reason why we have the developer blog info up - it's basically an extensive faq.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Bilal18 on April 20, 2009, 06:40:19 am: Yeah they would mince up a full squadron of raiders.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: newman on April 20, 2009, 06:56:43 am: Sure they got the firepower to do that, but they're also not as maneuverable as a raider or a viper, while being a bigger target. I for one wouldn't like to go against a full squadron of raiders in that thing. It's a bit like saying an A-10 has the firepower to take out a whole squadron of MiG-29s. Yeah, sure it does, but the problem with that is that the MiGs aren't just going to sit still while the warthog rips them to shreds - and they're far more maneuverable and better equipped for air to air combat. Same thing with the raiders, they were built as excellent dogfighters, while the raptor was built as a recon/assault craft.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Echelon9 on April 20, 2009, 07:11:41 am: A Combat Raptor can pack a real punch against a static target / cap ship.
Spoiler:
As anyone who's seen the finale will know, a Combat Raptor with the right ordnance can really frak up someone's day.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: YIIMM on April 20, 2009, 08:05:37 am: The armed raptors have:

Shoulder-mounted missile pods (12 missiles per pod).

4 underwing hardpoints for either a rack of 4 missiles or one rocket pod with 19 rockets each

2 six-barrelled, belt fed Gatling-style guns on the edges of the wing with ammunition drums tucked just underneath.

Whatever they put on the nose resembles a targeting system or EW device.

Series of images here (http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=372). I'm not sure how official they are (landing gear seems a bit dodgy), but it seems in-line with screencaps.

Seeing them armed like that, they resemble even more the craft they were based upon.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: David cgc on April 20, 2009, 08:11:12 am: Actually, the different landing gear solves the problem of how they actually sit on the deck since the underslung weapons go below the level of the regular landing pads by putting the raptor higher up.

Also, it seems that the attachments are mix-and-match. In some scenes, raptors have some of the extra weapons, but not all of them. I'd find a screencap to support that, but don't have time at the moment.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Snagger on April 20, 2009, 01:32:36 pm: I had assumed that there was only one type of Raptor, but that they could be fitted with an assortment of weapons, tanking equipment (refererenced in You Can't Go Home Again) or perhaps extra sensors. I've never looked that closely - are they definitely diffferent birds?
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: IronForge on April 23, 2009, 04:46:15 am: well you know what will be great?

Having a 'realistic' mode where one raptor against another raptor really means just that.

Not one raptor pwning 100 raptors that come in wings of 4-8s.
In other words, one missle fired by you deals the same damage as a missle fired by an enemy and the amount of punishment you can receive is similar to the amount of pounding a ship of the same class the enemy has.

You: OK COMMAND, I'm engaging the cylon basestar!!

CMD: Picking up several raiders launching!!

You: No worries!! I'll just blast them all with one all powerful guided missle!!!

*boom* *BANG!!!* 50 cylon equavalents of the similar missle slam into your hull. You don't even bother to evade.
*tick tick tick* the cylon ships get pwned by their own missle blast radius :D
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: General Battuta on April 23, 2009, 09:48:46 am: We call this mode 'playing on Insane difficulty.' You can do it in the BtRL demo, but...man, good luck.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Bilal18 on April 23, 2009, 09:55:03 am: Quote from: newman on April 20, 2009, 06:56:43 am
Sure they got the firepower to do that, but they're also not as maneuverable as a raider or a viper, while being a bigger target. I for one wouldn't like to go against a full squadron of raiders in that thing. It's a bit like saying an A-10 has the firepower to take out a whole squadron of MiG-29s. Yeah, sure it does, but the problem with that is that the MiGs aren't just going to sit still while the warthog rips them to shreds - and they're far more maneuverable and better equipped for air to air combat. Same thing with the raiders, they were built as excellent dogfighters, while the raptor was built as a recon/assault craft.

True that :)
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Jangiri on April 23, 2009, 04:58:14 pm: if this game was absolutely realistic than it would be more about not getting shot instead of killing as many frakking toasters as you can. while realism would be good in small engagements any large battles with 10+ ships on each side would end in everyone getting shot up in the first 5 seconds.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: General Battuta on April 23, 2009, 05:01:34 pm: Seriously. Go try the Raider Gauntlet on Insane.

It's all about the not getting shot.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: karajorma on April 24, 2009, 01:55:11 am: Personally I always love it when people say the game should be more difficult and have never played it on anything above easy. :)
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Mongoose on April 24, 2009, 02:20:23 pm: Or equally, those who bump it up to Hard and then complain about certain missions being nearly impossible. :p
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Jangiri on April 24, 2009, 05:29:51 pm: the only reason i ever die on very hard is when i have to protect something. I'm useless on any escort missions
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: YIIMM on April 24, 2009, 07:16:22 pm: Quote from: Mongoose on April 24, 2009, 02:20:23 pm
Or equally, those who bump it up to Hard and then complain about certain missions being nearly impossible. :p

No game is ever fun unless you're winning :doubt:
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Sidestep on April 24, 2009, 07:54:58 pm: No game is fun if all you do is win.

You have to lose a few times to appreciate winning. And you never want to be assured of winning, it's all about the challenge.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: StarSlayer on April 24, 2009, 08:03:15 pm: Quote from: YIIMM on April 24, 2009, 07:16:22 pm
Quote from: Mongoose on April 24, 2009, 02:20:23 pm
Or equally, those who bump it up to Hard and then complain about certain missions being nearly impossible. :p

No game is ever fun unless you're winning :doubt:

You don't learn from victory.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: YIIMM on April 25, 2009, 06:11:59 am: I wasn't being serious :blah:
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: newman on April 25, 2009, 07:13:55 am: You don't learn from not being serious.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Jangiri on April 25, 2009, 09:30:46 am: you don't learn if your playing games (um... )
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: Grizzly on April 26, 2009, 02:35:48 pm: Quote from: StarSlayer on April 24, 2009, 08:03:15 pm
Quote from: YIIMM on April 24, 2009, 07:16:22 pm
Quote from: Mongoose on April 24, 2009, 02:20:23 pm
Or equally, those who bump it up to Hard and then complain about certain missions being nearly impossible. :p

No game is ever fun unless you're winning :doubt:

You don't learn from victory.

You do if you used a new tactic for a problem the previous tactics did not work.
Title: Re: Raptor VS Raider.
Post by: newman on April 26, 2009, 02:55:14 pm: Quote from: -Joshua- on April 26, 2009, 02:35:48 pm
You do if you used a new tactic for a problem the previous tactics did not work.

You kinda missed the point, though you were very close. Allow me to help you the rest of the way:

Q: Why did you come up with the new tactic?
A: Because the previous tactics did not work.

Conclusion: You suffered defeat before and as a result you were forced to come up with a new, better tactic.
Once you won, you didn't come up with new, better tactics because you didn't need to. Hence, you learned more from a defeat. Comprende?