The problem that Shivan ships (or at least the Nyarlathotep) are self-aware...... be the Nyarlathotep Incident all over again.
Secondly, when I mentioned the Nyarlathotep, I was under the impression that if one Shivan ship was self-aware... they'd all be. Forgive me for enjoying continuity in all these (well, most anyway) campaigns.That's Derelict only.
The only major Shivan capture that is known about is the Taranis (I consider the dragon and maras not major)
Capturing a cain class cruiser is completely different than capturing a Sathanas.
The Gargant doesn't have anything like that, it doesn't even have an engine subsystem for you to disable it.
But anyways, if anybody noticed, does the Gargant have the same stabilizer subsystems that the Gigas has? You might want to try nuking those with a few hundred bombers and see what happens. Also, I believe there are probably several reactor subsystems, if it is similar to the Gigas...a few Pyros later, all the Shivans scream as they hear:
I designed this ship to be invulnerable remember :D
Maybe you are planning an inside-mission? Fly through the Gargant's inside? :eek2:I tried an interior model once, the AI bounces off the walls too much and ends up killing itself :D
I could put a self destruct trigger or a nova trigger in for cheaters. If the Gargant is destroyed then it takes you with it :p
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~+k! (Probably with lead weights...)
I tried an interior model once, the AI bounces off the walls too much and ends up killing itself :D
Guys...Gargant will be in Chapter 3, i think GTVA will have something for him. ;7Sure... make it a Colossus Mark 2 Sport FX Turbo ... Hmm, what happened last time we tried this? Hopefully the GTVA will be smart enough not to underestimate the Shivans... if you want to beat them, don't think overkill, don't think mega overkill, think giga overkill. :nervous:
Did you use attack paths to make sure the AI travelled the proper path to... whatever they were gonna destroy in the Gargant's interior?Maybe you are planning an inside-mission? Fly through the Gargant's inside? :eek2:I tried an interior model once, the AI bounces off the walls too much and ends up killing itself :D
Mine was a series of rooms the AI had to traverse using waypoints, there was combat in the larger sections and that's were they would ram the outer areas. These sections were quite large but the AI was too stupid to fight in the confined space.
Mine was a series of rooms the AI had to travers using waypoints, there was comabat in the larger sections and that's were they would ram the outer areas. These sections were quite large but the AI was too stupid to fight in the confined space.
who knows, the Inferno creators might take a look at this thread. . .:waves:
Im just gonna guess at the Gigas's length...... at about 10 klicks.
Gigas is 22km long
I don't want you lot getting your hands on it till we use it :D-Meanie!! :hopping: :mad:
This isn't actually related to the Gargant...... but when I was viewing the models from Inferno, a lot of textures seemed missing: like the Icanus and practically all the Ancient ships. What's up with that?I guess in modelview?
If the Gargant is destroyed that way, it means that the Gigas will suffer a major effect when the Stabilizers are destroyed, right ?The Gigas doesn't have those anymore. It just has 6 reactor systems now.
Woo, can you give us a list of subsystems that both the Gigas and Gargant have? In other words, what subsystems does the Gigas have and what ones does the Gargant have?Gigas has the standard subsystems, 6 reactors and 120 turrets.
Gigas has the standard subsystems, 6 reactors and 120 turrets.
U say: FASTER THAN THE FS2 Turrets?
Yeah but you're ALSO supposed to execute precision strikes against troublesome turrets on said enemy cap ships.
As to how to destroy a Gargant (original topic of this thread, in case people have forgotten) just throw a few Icanuses at them, I've witnessed how easily it can shred the Gigas...
oh btw, idle question, but if you put ships from two different speciesand label them both as "hostile" team, do they still attack each other?
New type of meson warhead.....
Strange thing is that Shivan beams are red, which is the lowest energy color in electromagnetic spectrum. So I bet the Shivan beams get their power mainly from sheer volume, whereas Terran/Vasudan green/blue/silver beams get hotter/more energetic and thus don't need that much matter into them.
Fourth - Woo said in FAQ there will be no collapsing nodes.
there will be no collapsing nodes
They have the Djinn bomb...
The Vasudans need a hand with subspace technology
actually, if you hit a ship in the right spot (mainly it's sub-space engines) while it's jumping, the ship will be torn between subspace and real space, and will theoretically pop out of existence. . . .
Not even those Meson torps I saw in the vp file would do anything against it huh?
They have the Djinn bomb...
if it can be destroyed, then it can be created also...
Anyways, the Notus is for Terrans?. What happened to the Wraith, was it dropped ?, I believed one would be for the Terrans and the other for the Vasudans...The Notus has no equal for the other races, the Jotun does however.
The Notus is THE bomber. 90m long, max speed of 35, 5 turrets, 14 gun mounts, and twice the secondary capacity of the Jotun, oh and it carries the Apocalypse, the 'anti-Sathanas' bomb.
It has a max burn speed of 145 to escape it's own bombs, but it doesn't last long so you have to be careful with it.
the 'anti-Sathanas' bomb.
The Sathanas have 1,000,000 Hitpoints, the Apocalypse (old Armageddon) just does 420,000 DMG to Armor/Hull in R1, does that mean it was raised ?. Even if not it is sure a lot of damage to be anti-juggernaut bomb.It does 300000 damage now, so it'll take between 3-4 bombs to destroy a Sathanas.
So any juggernaut-bombs would work superbly on a dreadnaught.
It does 300000 damage now, so it'll take between 3-4 bombs to destroy a Sathanas.
Hmm it has 2 Apothess class beams and has a weapon configuration like the Geb. Oh and lots of Spacial Charge guns.
Could you give is any word, ANY about Vasudan mysterious soper capship???
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,38622.msg787555.html#msg787555Errrgh... no one understood what I meant. :ick: :rolleyes:
...modified...meson... feedback, anyone? :nervous:
I think you're referring to Inferno's Tech Room entry on the Sathanas, wherein it states that the rift weapon could be turned against ships. It says nothing about reactors though.Rift weapon = nova. Sun = big, huge reactor in space. I don't think the GTVA was referring to it shorting out subsystems.
He wasn't saying that we would use the subspace rift, he was talking about the Shivans using it to blow up our ships.Yarrrrr!!
That's assuming reactors are built to function exactly like suns.....You mean, by fusing atoms to produce radiation? :lol:
OK, here's a thought: The GTVA in FS2 was worried that the Sathanas' subspace-distortion weapon could be used against ship reactors because the reactors are sort of similar to the sun...the Meson was used to collapse the Capella subspace node...22=4...Let's see if we can modify the Meson, have an automated transport jump it in beside the Gargant, and let it rip. :eek: Of course, you'd probably want to test the effects of the bombs as you were developing them on some old Great War relics...maybe use smaller bombs that wouldn't blow up the reactors, just cause a surge, so you could rig a ton of sensors and see what the effects are, and then finally test the real one on an old Orion or something. And who knows, maybe you'd need more than one bomb, and of course you'd want a backup.PPPS I'm a little sleepy right now, so if I didn't come across right or understand what was being said right, you can't blame me. :p jk I will look at this after I get some sleep, though. It appears 214 had some idea as well that I didn't quite catch. (Black Hole?!?)
I think you're referring to Inferno's Tech Room entry on the Sathanas, wherein it states that the rift weapon could be turned against ships. It says nothing about reactors though.I just noticed you said Inferno techroom. No, I don't think I got it from there. I believe it was a canon source. Not to mention the fact that Inferno R1 isn't even canon in Inferno.
You DO know how black holes are made don't you? Extra-large supernovas result in black holes. You want to waste another GTVA star system?
If the Mass and size of the Sun is not enough big to create a Dark Hole, but enough to go into SuperNova (and not a Nova), then a Neutron Star will result, in any case, the gravity field and Mass of a Neutron Star is truly impressive, I believe the damage done to the system would just be very much like the same.
In the other case, if the size and mass is not enough to go into SuperNova, the Sun will start rising it's temperature and just glowing more intense until, we would all get a nice tan over the skin (no, it's a joke, we'll burn to death for sure, and so anything in that system probabily).
That will be the ultimate fate of the Sol system eventually.
That theoretical study on subspace was extremely interesting. I had no idea that Star Trek's and Freespace's subspace drives were so similar. (Course in Trek they call it "Warp Drive"). I had always wondered why subspace appeared as a tunnel....
Which begs the questions: What does subspace look like if you're not surrounded by a Normal space field? And for that matter what would a Short Space tunnel look like?
We could create a thread of 300 replys on all the mistakes the GTVA made in FS2...
I think were are trying to find a more rational and logiic way of kill something that big, not just by look or by brute power,Hmm... like if you could find a way to make it destroy itself using its own massive power... (I think the only way you could take one out would be to have a ship with at least the same power as it, or to find a critical spot that is not protected.)
Now, here's a wild idea: I've heard that EMP devices actually were developed during the cold war by both Russia and the US, and, of course, they tried to shield their military devices in case of an attack by the other side... I heard that an EMP blast (which would happen high in the atmosphere) would cause all wires (inside devices and out) to surge, thus causing massive destruction. The EMP in FS is rather small and short-lived, as the weapons and consequently the surge produced is not as big. I wonder if a Meson-sized EMP device would
work on a Gargant / Gigas? Of course if they've got 80 of them...
This is acheived (I belive) by stopping the electrons from being able to jump from one atom to another. :eek2: :shaking:
umm, I'm back, in case any of you were wondering I was down in roswell. Anyway, Star Trek DOES NOT USE ACTUAL WARPING TECHNOLOGY. :hopping:
Nukes dont create EMP's unless there is a magenetic feild and an atmosphere present.Plus, the possiblity that anyone in this time-period would be using technology still susceptible to EMP is effectively nil.
Woomeister has already said "no collapsing jump nodes".If I gave it an engine it would be a 5% of hull one which means you would need 144230 Stiletto III's to destroy the subsystem.
Do you have ANY idea how many Stiletto III's it would take to disable the Gargant? I don't know how many engines it has, but I'm assuming it's something like the Sathanas in that respect, which means multiple engines to destroy, and then little missiles like Stilettos have almost no effect. Even Helios bombs on the engines would probably not work. It would take forever... and the Gargant would have plenty of opportunity to leave during that time, like if it noticed that some damage had been done.
I just checked back a few pages and Woomeister said "Gargant has no engine subsystem to destroy." So I'd forget about disabling it.
actually, the term "warp" in star trek is only loosely related to actual warping. How do you explain the stars flying by the side of the ship, a tear in normal space wouldn't have those. . . . :D
also, sorry about the emp flub-up, it was a guess, I should have said that on the other post. . . . :mad:
Nukes dont create EMP's unless there is a magenetic feild and an atmosphere present.
Either way, the cyclops is probably an antimatter bomb.
The technology relies on an electromagnetic pulse that may be conceptualized as an electric shockwave created when a stream of highly energetic photons collides with atoms of low atomic numbers to cause them to eject a 'pulse' of electrons.So you could make a Compton effect with enough low atomic number atoms. Was this how the FS2 EMP warheads worked, by using stored atoms of a low atomic number?? I think I'm starting to sound looney here, though... but how did they make the EMP in FS2? 'Cause if a small warhead can knock out a subsystem for a few seconds, perhaps they could be modified to cause major damage, especially if you could get a late-time EMP effect going on inside a cap ship.
hi,
doesnt know why this is so evil offtopic?
i mean we discuss how to destroy the gargant and someone has say use emp.
now we talk over emp, i know thats a game, but why not talk about the reallife emp, if it help to understand better how it works and maybe it can work in the game itself.
Mehrpack
umm, most intellectuals not only talk about the methods, but how, why, when, where, and who use these weapons. It's like saying, we could nuke Iraq, so let's do it." As opposed to, "Let's go nuke Iraq, but how should we do it, how many people would die, why should we nuke them as opposed to invade, when should we nuke them. . ."
See the difference?
also, in a video game, you want to think about the game's physics as opposed to real life, because the differences between the two are staggering. . . .
umm, we (the GTVA) have EMP technology, and can use it against the shivans. However, we must all remember that this is Woomeister's campaign, and if he wants to, he will use the Gargant, if he doesn't, then we have nothing to worry about. If he does use the Gargant, either A. Earth will be destroyed, or B. the GTVA will destroy the Gargant whichever way Woomeister wants them to.
Dark Hunter, that's NOT funny
Also, what class is teh Enceladus?Space Superiority, like the Apollo.
HOWEVER, why don't we just develop an EMP weapon that disrupts theirt neural network (yes, a quote from Rep Comm)http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,38622.msg786667.html#msg786667
do you even know what an EMP does to humans? ? ? (if it's powerful enough)http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,38622.msg786671.html#msg786671
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We could try. . .
If you're going to catch a contradiction, quote both sides of the statement in question. It makes things much better if you catch yourselft before you stick your foot in your mouth.
Or just put it in a Blackwater Ops mission and you will never see it again :p
Or just put it in a Blackwater Ops mission and you will never see it again :p
Actually, you probably would...
Inferno released a chapter before they decided to add stuff and go with SCP.We've released 2 Ancients demos, R1, and lots of misc ships over the years. We've released more content than most of the other main campaigns combined.
WDYM? Inferno only has one chapter in it right?R1 was originally 3-4 chapters long which were going to be released in stages. 1+2 was EA War and Gigas incursion, 3 was Ancients and 4 was something a bit different :D (Gargant was supposed to be in 4)
What I mean is, the total playable content that has been released amounted to one chapter...The only thing I've played that was called inferno is from the campaign to push back EA incursions, to the third shivan contact, the treaty with the EA, and the discovery of the Gigas. You appear to mention two Ancients demos though?Well if we used everything in chapter 1 there would be nothing new for the others. R1 didn't include the entire modpack at the time either, since we didn't want people playing with some things at that time.
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Why do you keep threatening to report people on this board to Moderators? First when you posted your email address and now this. Are you in charge?