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Community Projects => The FreeSpace Upgrade Project => Topic started by: Galemp on December 14, 2005, 03:17:37 am
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...is getting an overhaul.
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/diswip.jpg)
The cargo container's already done, though it may have some revision before release.
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/cargo1.jpg)
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/cargo2.jpg)
(These are FS2 stock textures, not Lightspeed's.)
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Are those iles or a UV map?
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Reaction to cargo container:
:D
:ick:
:D
:ick:
;7
:wtf:
:D
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Looking nice :D
That thing always reminds me of a baby Sathy to be honest.
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It looks very... matrix-y...
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Is it(the ship, not the container) really supposed to be that round?
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Meh, creative liscence, it looks cool.
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The Dis wasn't all that bad, but that cargo container is way better than the original abomination of a model. :yes: Although the red splotches look weird, like dried blood or something. :wtf:
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I wonder if you could give it some kind of gnashing attack...
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It would be the FS version of the D2 diamond claw. :D
That Dis model looks a little too round/smooth at the moment though compared to the original. It needs some sharp angles.
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It's interesting how the least important vessels can have excellent artistic licence applied to them. Of course, I always wish that someone would just make the Medusa HTL or Zeus HTL ;7
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BW: They're tiled textures. I'm just really good at using them. ;7
Mefustae: Second Renaissance, Pt. II, was a big inspiration for redoing this.
CP: I wanted to have the same sort of compartments as the underside of the Azrael.
Bobboau: Interesting! I'll have to read up more about that. Is there a thread or Wiki page about it I can refer to?
Ghost and CP: It is too round at the moment, yes. It's very much an early work, I wanted to get out some ideas for the front end first. Then I got an idea for doing the cargo, and... well, there you go.
Since the Dis is so awful/underused, would anyone mind if I repositioned the turrets? There's only four Shivan Light Lasers and multipart turrets just look silly.
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:nod:
I wonder if you could give it some kind of gnashing attack...
Or it could pinch you really hard :drevil:
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As long as you keep the same amount of turrets, I don't think it'll matter.
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Well looks alright.....but to me, it looks like one of the tripods from war of the worlds............. :D
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The other day I ran into one of the few Dis in FS2, and I remember thinking 'ho ho, I wonder what the 'zomg organic and curvy' Shivanites say about the flying breadbox'. And then someone makes it organic and curvy. Bah. :)
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BW: They're tiled textures. I'm just really good at using them. ;7
Are you going to get them baked or something then? The dis doesn't have that much unique surface area - a carefully designed UVMap could probably maintain most of the texure information on 1024, even 512.
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The Dis wasn't all that bad, but that cargo container is way better than the original abomination of a model. :yes:
Um, have you actually looked at the old Dis though? I'm still scarred by those turrets.
And I've commented on this to Galemp over less public channels, but I'll say it here too. I like the creative licence on this one. There are certain places where it doesn't work, but the Dis was so horrid before that something new had to be done. Also, I really like the cargo container, though I do wonder how it actually attaches to the freighter.
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one thing that realy needs to be changed is the front though, that is a prime spot for the shivan triangle, to put something totaly diferent there is just wrong.
other than that it's great so far.
this thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,36737.0.html) has a complete description of the ships table, includeing the animations stuff there, you also have to add $triggered to the submodel properties, or something like that, I wrote that stuff a while ago, I can't remember it all.
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I disagree. That center portion is just going to be staring in to the rear end of the container most of the time, and the "shivan triangle" looks far too much like a set of eyes to go there (not that what's there now doesn't also look like a set of eyes, just not exactly shivan). I'd actually suggest trying to do something like what Nico was doing with his Moloch; put it somewhere less conventional. Speaking of which, where is Nico's Moloch, and if he's not working on it anymore, what would I have to do to get it so that it could get completed in some form?
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Um, have you actually looked at the old Dis though? I'm still scarred by those turrets.
They don't look that bad to me. :confused: They're very low on detail but many of the turrets on the original FS2 models were like that. The Dis model as a whole is unremarkable (smaller and crappier looking Sathanas) but there is a lot worse in there, like the original SAC 3.
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Many mesh refinements. Suggestions on how to further enhance it are welcome.
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis1.jpg)
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis2.jpg)
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis3.jpg)
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis4.jpg)
Side by side with the old 'un:
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis5.jpg)
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis7.jpg)
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis6.jpg)
I'm considering removing that 'shell' on the front of the cargo, and instead representing the little 'wings' through a set of spikes like I did on the back end of the freighter.
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Spiky and evil. I like :yes:
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Noice!
...even though we only get to see it once...or twice...in the whole FS2 campaign.
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Noice!
...even though we only get to see it once...or twice...in the whole FS2 campaign.
That's OK, I'm sure we can get Blaise Russel to do a campaign where you're stationed on a Dis and marooned outside GTVA space for 30 missions. *Readies candy* :p
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More enhancements, this time on the bottom. I have a feeling this is gonna be the final version.
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis8.jpg)
And another iteration of the cargo's top. I think this is less clumsy.
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dis9.jpg)
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Pretty good. The only thing I dislike (really) is that cluster of three re blobs in the centre of the front.
Not too sure why, but it just looks, wrong to me... But bu all means keep going!
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Nice! :yes:
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Pretty good. The only thing I dislike (really) is that cluster of three re blobs in the centre of the front.
Not too sure why, but it just looks, wrong to me... But bu all means keep going!
Same. It reminds me of HAL or the Sector X boss from Starfox64 or some other such goofy robotic entity. *shrugs* Just doesn't feel quite Shivan. Everything else is fantastic though. :yes: :yes2:
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You'd prefer them symmetrically arranged in a triangle, like on the nose of the Cain?
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The dis has allways reminded me of a dung beetle. :lol: Or ether brings back fearful images of a certain Stag Beetle.
Looks good. :yes:
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You'd prefer them symmetrically arranged in a triangle, like on the nose of the Cain?
I think, like pointed out before, that they look more like eyes and that they look wrong being obstructed by the cargo pod. Try looking for another place to put them, maybe.
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those eyes remind me of sentinels from the matrix movies :wtf:
they are the only thing that must be fixed in my opinion, either a triangle or no eyes at all (like in the orginal and would be better i think becouse mostly offensive ships have this triangle thing ;7 ) maybe some kind of docking doors look at other shivan freighters, maybe one of them has something like this.
Overall nice job the model could be maybe a bit less "round" it would make it look more aggresivly.
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hmm. I'm thinking of trying out a kind of toothy maw, suggested by the original textures. I'll give it a shot and come back later.
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:yes:
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Tried a couple things.
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/dismaw.jpg)
In my opinion this looks way too anthropomorphic.
(http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/distriangle.jpg)
And this just looks wrong.
I still prefer the original eyes/dockpoints that I concieved of in the first iteration.
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Hi,
While I can see how the first seems anthropomorphic, it has a much more aggressive appearance and looks better compared with the second. However, too me, it seems as if in the original Dis, those heavy metallic lines were not necessary "teeth" as it is implied in your creation. I guess you might consider trying to blend in the "teeth" into the background skin of the ship so that way the front of the ship does not resemble a mouth. I can't say much there since I have no idea when it comes to creating new ships like you have done.
You have done a great job remodeling the Dis. If nothing can be done about the front of the ship, I'm sure others will have better ideas than me, or you might just go back with the original front you had, which looked fine as well.
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How does it look with just one large 'eye'? Like in the first pic, but with the other two removed. Might not even bother to center it, since it could look more interesting asymmetrical.
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I don't know...I personally like the first "Eye Gonfiguration" the most, but one assymetrical could also be interesting.
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I like the first one the best too, in my opinion it doewsnt matter if they get blocked, it's shivan, it should looks strange and unnatural.
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I was a bit scared (the bad way) by the model at first. But the never versions with textures look fine enought to me to not freak out. The thing that does bother me is that it doesn't look like a cargo hauler, it looks like a thing that tears cargo to pieces! The thing looks like the harvester ship from Elite Force. I do agree that those claws look nice, but not when there is a poor helpless cargo container in there! So I would like something a bit more subtle "claw" things.
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I just thought that why not make somekind of extension in to the nose. So that the crew can access the container should they wish.
What do you think? Leave the eyes and stuff off, and just put a door in there?
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It's Shivan. Shivans don't need to do things that make sense. A door sounds a little out of character if you ask me.
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I just thought it was practical. Being able to access the container could come in handy in many occasions. But the truth is that we don't know how the shivan world functions, and so do not know what would make sense for the shivans. They could have need for large personnel transports or luxury liners ( ;7 ) for all we know. But we have only seen an invasion army so we have no idea.
Since there was some discussion about the nose I presented a logical idea that came in to human mind. And to me, a door doesn't sound that out of character, but then it comes to personal prefrence. What we really need, is a Shivan to ask opinion from.
EDIT: But if the door is out of the question, I think the circle with three "eyes" looks best to me... :yes:
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If Shivans don't have doors, then what DO they use to get in and out of their ships? :p Gelatanous membranes?
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My problem isn't really with the door itself, but Shivan ships aren't generally built for functionality. I meant that having a door in a place where we might think it would be useful seems like something very un-Shivan to me.
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Ofcourse shivan sips have doors. How else would they dock with the iceni, what are you seeing in hallfight, what are the things on the bottom of the azreil.
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Er, I'm not saying they don't have doors. I'm saying having a door in that particular place seems more like human thinking than Shivan.
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If the door would be in the other side of the ship, it wouldn't not be very useful for entering the container. Yes? It doesn't matter how they think. But if they want to enter the container from the ship, they need a door right there.
Perhaps they scanned terran and vasudan ships during the first Great War and detected our door and bulckheads. "That's a good idea to have doors where they actually are useful!" - Thus the Dis was designed... :p
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In most cases, if you have a cargo carrier that carries cargo outside the hull of the ship, the cargo is not meant to be accessed while in transit.
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True..but as for the Shivans, "most cases" do not apply, at least not very often.
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Admittedly, there is a lot of Shivan behavior that seems...pointless...to a human or Vasudan.
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In most cases, if you have a cargo carrier that carries cargo outside the hull of the ship, the cargo is not meant to be accessed while in transit.
In most cases that's true. But imagine if Triton could be hauling a container fitted with research/sensor/techno gimmick equipment (would be cheaper than Faustus, I think), or imagine a container equipped with half a dozen AA turrets (cheaper than a Fenris flying escort, I think). Or a container full of medical equipment, a welcome help in any evacuation. Or the container could be full of animals being transferred from one zoo to another. Now who's gonna feed those poor creatures if there is no door?
These examples were only for human transport. But I'd imagine Shivans might come up with sufficently evil uses for a door, that "would fit their character" :drevil:
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Not feed the zoo animals but just kick them, maybe pick up a penguin? feed it to a lion? Then kick the lion.
Hobbel the lion then put the penguin just out of reach of it so it can never quite catch the penguin?
File off the Rhino's horn? Let the monkey's climb the giraffe and then randomly leave them floating in the path of an oncoming supernova just for kicks?
That Shivan enough?
But yeah, I like the door idea.
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That Shivan enough?
Nah, too disney...
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Yayitsdonedownloaditnow.
clickyclickyclicky (http://web.njit.edu/~pjo3/htl/htldis.rar)
I IM'd StratComm and he's hopefully going to fix the radii before these go into the media VPs. No screenies 'cause they look just like the latest images.
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Amazing for 2400 polys. :D
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Yeah I'll be getting a radius fix in for this one (not so important for the container but I'll do it anyway) so consider that link a temporary release. I'll try to get the fix done tomorrow sometime.
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Great job (as usual) :yes:
I'm particulary impressed with the "Eye" Gonfiguration. For a mere freighter, that thing looks very evil....
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That thing looks really, really Shivan. :yes:
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What about the Azrael, Mephisto, and Asmodeus?
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What about them?
If you mean, When are they going to get remade, probably not for a long time. They're in much better shape than some other models. :v: really took the time and effort to make the FS1 fleets beautiful.
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Bumpage.
HTL Dis and Container with corrected radius (http://www.duke.edu/~cek6/htldis_radfix.rar). Ready for media VPs.
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Hey, someone get an ingame screenshot and highlight this.