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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: sgtbeil on August 02, 2010, 06:27:02 pm
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In your opinion, which FreeSpace is better? FreeSpace 1? Or FreeSpace 2? And be sure to tell me why. Personally, I prefer FreeSpace 1 because the storyline is much more intense and indepth. Kinda just draws you in with a sense of emergency and danger (Bad words to choose. I had a couple better ones but i forgot them... Oops :lol: )
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Preemptive note for all the veterans: The very second this derails into an argument over writing, or someone tells someone else that his opinion is quite obviously invalid, this thread is closed. This is your first and only warning.
That being said, I vastly prefer FS2. Because it's got the better story IMHO, and Snipes.
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I LOVE THESE THREADS
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FS2. Snipes, and aspect-seeking missiles that are actually worth using.
Yes, we know you love these threads. Now be a good little forumite and listen to The E. :P
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I LOVE THESE THREADS
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For me I think the definitive article of FreeSpace canon is the FS2 demo. It really set the tone of the setting for me.
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Preemptive note for all the veterans: The very second this derails into an argument over writing, or someone tells someone else that his opinion is quite obviously invalid, this thread is closed. This is your first and only warning.
That being said, I vastly prefer FS2. Because it's got the better story IMHO, and Snipes.
Yeah, I've heard a lot about people liking Snipes. But I was just curious to know what everyone preferred. It's almost like a survey or debate if you wish.
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I will need to vote for FS2. Everything just seemed so much deadlier and more mysterious.
You have beams, flak, better and faster blobs and fighter weapons, bigger bombs, heavier and quicker fighters. All these things make every battle a struggle to survive, and makes every bomber a threat, and every approach to a cap ship or fighter group a tactical decision. In FS1, cap ships were more props then threats - just a bunch of weak blobs that you need to protect sometimes.
Then you get the story: "What is Bosch doing?" "Should I be concerned that the Iceni seems to keep escaping?" "Ooh, what's through this weird gate thing?" "Oh **** Shivans." "What are the Shivans doing?" "Oh **** a Sathanas." "Yay, Sathanas is dead, good job all." "Oh sweet ****ing **** more Sathanas!" "What are they doing?" "Oh, that's what they're doing. FLEEEEEE!" All very mysterious and emotional.
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NOT THIS AGAIN
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Why is this not a poll? :mad:
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It is now.
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I demand an "I am so sick of these polls" option.
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Done.
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Yay. I voted for "Debates like these are stupid"
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FS1, definitely. The FS1 Intro cutscene really sets the atmosphere for all FSness with its epic awesomeness (especially the excellent voice acting).
(http://trollchan.ru/trollface.jpg)
...aside from that, I think there's no need to choose a favorite. I still have original FS1 installed, and I still play it at times. Sure, the Port has epic FSOness, but if it's not FS1 it's not FS1 :P
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FS1 for story.
FS2 for execution.
Although both have been surpassed in overall quality by community content.
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Although both have been surpassed in overall quality by community content.
THIS IS THE ANSWER
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These threads are good, they give you the opportunity to vote differently!
thus giving the community proof of your inconsistencies
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Preemptive note for all the veterans: The very second this derails into an argument over writing,
Preemptive note to moderation: stating you cannot argue the key point in a storytelling medium is stupid.
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Indeed. HOWEVER, that particular point leads to very little constructive argument and a lot of heated discussion that no one ever changes their opinions based on. Therefore, it serves no purpose to this thread.
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Don't we have this thread like every three or four weeks? :p
As I've said several times in the past, FS2. The plot is significantly more complex and convoluted than the first game, and a greater percentage of missions seem to be tied directly to its advancement. It provided the Shivans with a much greater aura of mystery and power, which has served so well in spurring on the modding community over the years. Also, beam cannons. :yes:
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Don't we have this thread like every three or four weeks? :p
The last time I saw this thread was on Game Warden, over a year ago.
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Mongoose, you're thinking of the favorite quotes threads. Or the favorite cutscene thread. Or the favorite anything thread, really.
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Don't we have this thread like every three or four weeks? :p
The last time I saw this thread was on Game Warden, over a year ago.
The topic definitely comes up far more frequently than that, even if it's not always in its own dedicated thread. Thus Snail and Battuta's reactions in here. :p
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Sushi won the thread :p
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Sushi won the thread :p
Yeah. I see teh light
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Sushi won the thread :p
Lies, there was no mention of the sacred Snuffleupagus!
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Preemptive note for all the veterans: The very second this derails into an argument over writing,
Preemptive note to moderation: stating you cannot argue the key point in a storytelling medium is stupid.
Yes, but there are people who lack the ability to 'discuss' and degenerate into 'arguing' a little too quickly for anyone else to have their fair share of the former. :P
But, my $0.02, FS2. Mo'****er. That was all kinds of win to little Dilmah when he was 6-9.
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Preemptive note for all the veterans: The very second this derails into an argument over writing,
Preemptive note to moderation: stating you cannot argue the key point in a storytelling medium is stupid.
The OP asked "Which do you prefer, and why". Not "Why is the story of FSx better than the story of FSy". The first inquiry is good. The second one is an invitation for a flamewar. Which this thread should not become.
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/me has voted.
No preference.
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But, my $0.02, FS2. Mo'****er. That was all kinds of win to little Dilmah when he was 6-9.
I thought you were cool.
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It would've been FS1 if I'd played it first, but nothing'll beat the way my mind exploded when I played Freespace the first few times.
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FS1 for story.
FS2 for execution.
Although both have been surpassed in overall quality by community content.
Pretty much what this guy said.
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Preemptive note for all the veterans: The very second this derails into an argument over writing,
Preemptive note to moderation: stating you cannot argue the key point in a storytelling medium is stupid.
Yes, but there are people who lack the ability to 'discuss' and degenerate into 'arguing' a little too quickly for anyone else to have their fair share of the former. :P
Yeah, or people who are just too damn good and the rest can't keep up. ;7
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Yes, but there are people who lack the ability to 'discuss' and degenerate into 'arguing' a little too quickly for anyone else to have their fair share of the former. :P
Yeah, or people who are just too damn good and the rest can't keep up. ;7
And grumpy people who are, at the moment, most tempted to lock this **** before it hits the fan.
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The thread is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. Just chill, dude. Have a Caucasian. Let's go bowling.
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Preemptive note for all the veterans: The very second this derails into an argument over writing,
Preemptive note to moderation: stating you cannot argue the key point in a storytelling medium is stupid.
Yes, but there are people who lack the ability to 'discuss' and degenerate into 'arguing' a little too quickly for anyone else to have their fair share of the former. :P
Yeah, or people who are just too damn good and the rest can't keep up. ;7
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Just chill, dude. Have a Caucasian.
:confused:
That said, I find it quite amusing that there are more posts that poke fun at the previously locked thread than those on topic.
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Just chill, dude. Have a Caucasian.
:confused:
That said, I find it quite amusing that there are more posts that poke fun at the previously locked thread than those on topic.
It's the sacred drink of Dudeism.
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2 or 3? 2 or 3? Voted 2, but if more polls like this pop up I may switch to 3. :)
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Freespace was a great game, but Freespace 2 is better in every respect. The story has greater depth and is less cliched, it has better features such as beams that don't look like ****, better characters (The most memorable character from FS1 is Admiral Wolf, he loved the Galatea and he died on it, that's all I know about him, Bosch is a far better character), better standards of cutscenes (although Hallfight is better than anything), better weapons and better effects.
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I hope by 'better standards for cutscenes' you mean the writing... because they look awful compared to FreeSpace 1's custscenes.
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Actually, FS1 had better cutscenes. In FS2, the only human model you see in the cutscenes is Bosch, and only then you see him from the back. Furthermore, every ship model and effect you see in the cutscene is used in-game (with Endgame Part 1's Sathanas being slightly modified). In contrast, FS1 had human models with lipsync, fully modeled interiors, a badass shootout, and an epic ending cutscene.
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FS2 also had lower resolution textures on a lot of ships. :nervous:
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FS1 also had the height of lazy cutscene-making in the form of those highly elaborate Ancient Monologues.
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FS1 also had the height of lazy cutscene-making in the form of those highly elaborate Ancient Monologues.
Actually that might explain why the relative quality of the other cutscenes in FS1 were better than FS2's.
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I hope by 'better standards for cutscenes' you mean the writing... because they look awful compared to FreeSpace 1's custscenes.
Yes, I mean the writing.
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(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4370/blackdove.gif)
Even taking that into account, FS1.
I think because the first one keeps it ultimately general and to the point. It gets too specific in the second one, you get your characters, Bosch, Petrarch and so forth. First one keeps it gray and transparent for the most part. It's all about the big picture. Not that the second one isn't either, but I just feel it gets bogged down in some places, while I still remain the generic transparent puppet Alpha 1.
That's just me anyway.
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FS 1.
FS 2 by far had superior gameplay, features, and models. But as far as story goes, I have to admit FS 1 is the winner.
Was it cliche'd? Absolutely. Was the ending spectacular enough to make up for it? Hell yes it was. Also, command in FS1 wasn't completely stupid. All in all I think FS 2 might actually warrant an FS2:R. Potential greatness in plot, but sub par storyline execution.
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FS 1.
FS 2 by far had superior gameplay, features, and models. But as far as story goes, I have to admit FS 1 is the winner.
Was it cliche'd? Absolutely. Was the ending spectacular enough to make up for it? Hell yes it was. Also, command in FS1 wasn't completely stupid. All in all I think FS 2 might actually warrant an FS2:R. Potential greatness in plot, but sub par storyline execution.
Funny that's exactly what I think about FS1.
Also this whole 'command is stupid' meme really should have died around the time Windmills came out.
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Also this whole 'command is stupid' meme really should have died around the time Windmills came out.
No, I'm pretty sure Windmills did nothing to actually prove/disprove that notion. It takes a wider view then you can offer in the context of an FS mission to demonstrate conclusively.
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Also this whole 'command is stupid' meme really should have died around the time Windmills came out.
I agree. I don't think anyone did any better job handling the situation than real players did in Windmills.
No, I'm pretty sure Windmills did nothing to actually prove/disprove that notion. It takes a wider view then you can offer in the context of an FS mission to demonstrate conclusively.
I don't understand. You're saying only one mission is happening at any given time?
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I don't understand. You're saying only one mission is happening at any given time?
I'm saying a single mission doesn't encompass a large enough area to truly convey what it means to operate on a system-wide scale. Even a big game of Homeworld or Homeworld 2 probably can't.
If you want to understand system-wide operations, I recommend studying some of Japan's early-WW2 operations. Multiply scale and value of individual combatants by a few orders of magnitude and you've got a decent concept of the scale at which FS operates. Just the difficulties that attended organizing Operation MI/AF should dispel anyone's opinion that Command isn't at least doing a decent job.
(Not that I don't still think Command could have been better at their job; merely decent isn't the objective.)
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I'm saying a single mission doesn't encompass a large enough area to truly convey what it means to operate on a system-wide scale. Even a big game of Homeworld or Homeworld 2 probably can't.
If you want to understand system-wide operations, I recommend studying some of Japan's early-WW2 operations. Multiply scale and value of individual combatants by a few orders of magnitude and you've got a decent concept of the scale at which FS operates. Just the difficulties that attended organizing Operation MI/AF should dispel anyone's opinion that Command isn't at least doing a decent job.
(Not that I don't still think Command could have been better at their job; merely decent isn't the objective.)
So you're saying that while Windmills didn't do anything to help the matter, everyone should stop it with the "Command is stupid dhur hurr hurr" references?
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So you're saying that while Windmills didn't do anything to help the matter, everyone should stop it with the "Command is stupid dhur hurr hurr" references?
Pretty much.
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What did the above post originally say? D:
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Oh, he hadn't used the quote tags properly, meaning there was nothing in the quote box.
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It originally demonstrated me screwing up deleting my own quote and breaking the quote tags.
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Oh, I thought it was a message that would have traumatized me for life or something.
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I don't understand. You're saying only one mission is happening at any given time?
I'm saying a single mission doesn't encompass a large enough area to truly convey what it means to operate on a system-wide scale. Even a big game of Homeworld or Homeworld 2 probably can't.
If you want to understand system-wide operations, I recommend studying some of Japan's early-WW2 operations. Multiply scale and value of individual combatants by a few orders of magnitude and you've got a decent concept of the scale at which FS operates. Just the difficulties that attended organizing Operation MI/AF should dispel anyone's opinion that Command isn't at least doing a decent job.
(Not that I don't still think Command could have been better at their job; merely decent isn't the objective.)
Yeah but I think Windmills illustrated the choices Command has to make in an analogous sense.
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I tend to prefer FS2. More than anything, it seemed better thought out, and a better play experience. Volition took what was already good and made it great. I also like the terminologies as well. In FS1, it seemed like you were getting everything as it was developed, which made no sense to me. Like the Herc, which made appearances in cut-scenes, yet in Vanilla FS1, they announced it and gave it to you after Vasuda got slagged by the Lucifer like she was hot off the drawing board and fresh off the assembly line. In FS2, you got authorized to use certian weapons and certian ships. Not to mention, the story seemed far more organized. you can say you werent in as much awe of the Shivans, but i felt worse faceing the Sathanas fleet than the Lucifer. We knew there was only one Lucy at the time, and we justneeded a way to kill it. But the Sathanas fleet... lets face it, we had to ambush it and disarm its main weapons for us to kill one with the biggest war-ship in our arsenal, and that single sathanas had nothing but several wings of Basalisks to help it. If it had a demon or a Ravana with it, and proper defense, Colly would have been cooked. And that was only the first one... they had more juggernauts than we did destroyers, more than likely.
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Wait. What? The Hercules never made any appearances in any cutscenes. And yes, you got weapons 'n stuff as they were completed, because the GTA needed them the second they were finalized.
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Wait. What? The Hercules never made any appearances in any cutscenes. And yes, you got weapons 'n stuff as they were completed, because the GTA needed them the second they were finalized.
Colossus cutscene.
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Uhh, Cobra, the Herc and Herc II made an appearance in the FS2 intro.
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Pretty sure he meant FS1 cutscenes, guys.
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Tantalus53 probably refers to the Galatea mainhall when the mentions the Herc appearing before it was introduced.
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Pretty sure he meant FS1 cutscenes, guys.
Even then, he would be wrong.
There are a few Hercs flying around in Endgame.
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FS1 definitely for darker atmosphere, music which makes great feeling of "FreeSpaceiness" and the feeling of incoming danger. :pimp:
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Wow. This thread has gotten much more attention than I would have anticipated and all of you have very valid points as to which you prefer such as: The execution of FS2, the mood of FS1, and the scariness of fighting a Sathanas fleet over a single Lucifer.
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and the scariness of fighting a Sathanas fleet over a single Lucifer.
If I may say so, I think fighting the Sathanas fleet was less interesting than fighting the Lucifer. The Lucifer was the ubership played painfully straight - the same ship was a menace for 2/3s of the campaign right up to the end, but that's what made it interesting.
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The Sathanas fleet was also basically a menace-in-being. You knew it was out there, but you didn't see it in your mission area much. Every time we saw a Sath in our mission area, excepting Into The Lion's Den, we were either there for that specific ship (A Monster In The Mist, Bearbaiting, High Noon) or expected (A Flaming Sword, Their Finest Hour). The Lucifer liked to show up unannounced and wreck your ****.
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Wait. What? The Hercules never made any appearances in any cutscenes. And yes, you got weapons 'n stuff as they were completed, because the GTA needed them the second they were finalized.
But the thing is, FS1 made it seem like the only existing GTA fightercraft at the beginning of the game was the Apollo...which obviously doesn't make much sense. :p That was always something that bugged me about FS1, the fact that the GTA had apparently rolled over its entire arsenal in the span of a few months. At least FS2's approach set things up so that there were other ships out there, only you didn't have access to them until a certain point.
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You don't need to make that assumption.
They had previously had other ships in service that are no longer used by the time the campaign comes around, that's in the reference bible, not sure about other weapons but can you imagine if the avenger cannon had come out before the shivans arrived?
The Prom was a progression of tech, the flail was randomly reacquired, most missiles were combinations of vasudan and terran tech, and tsunami had been worked on for a while, the Banshee was based on Shivan weapons.
The introduction of the Shivans changed a few things for both sides, firstly that, instead of facing a finite fleet of definable numbers that worked on a similar basis to the themselves, both sides found themselves against an opponent of unknown origin, numbers (but far more limited) and power.
I'm pretty sure that, instead of most focus being on mass producing existing tech to keep up with combat, the GTA and PVE both shifted a lot more focus onto their arms race so that they could bridge the massive gap to the Shivans.
It makes sense that they would.....cut corners or such if the dynamic of the war suddenly shifted.
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The Hercules was in the FS1 intro...
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The Hercules was in the FS1 intro...
huh
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Well, in icon form anyway :)
(http://blueplanet.hard-light.net/fs1herc.jpg)
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Hercules icon makes me want to say, "HIIIIIIIIIIIIIII~" :D
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Well, by that reasoning, the Perseus was the standard fighter right from the beginning of FS2, as evident from the briefing icons.
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Well, by that reasoning, the Perseus was the standard fighter right from the beginning of FS2, as evident from the briefing icons.
well not necessarily. in FS2 the standard fighters/bombers were specific to the squadron and their role in the GTVA. Who knows? Maybe its just there because they thought it looked the coolest in icon form :P ? As for the FS1 intro, they used different icons for the different squads and whatnot to differentiate them from each other to keep better track of things....well, it's what I would have done
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I always felt friendly capital ships in FS1 were a liability ie; something that had to be defended without really providing any assistance. Where as Fs2, with beams and flak, they were much more decisive, Or atleast, appeared so.
FS2 generally fel more coherent, better sounds/music, graphics, more conclusive story (or what we got to see of it).
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Conclusive is tragically the wrong word.
As for FS2 capships being better defended ....apart from AAA, meh at that comment completely, even regarding AAA, lmao.
FS1s Graphics in several places were actually better than FS2s. I also much prefered a lot of FS1s music to FS2s.
....Capships harder to kill? Hecate = 20~ seconds in a solo bomber.
The only decently defended destroyer in the game is the vacuum cleaner, and the only other decent ship is the Deimos, both similarly loller to a maxim/helios combo.
Nevermind the suspension of disbelief destroying massive failure tag.
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I liked FS1 more than FS2.
It had a better story and better atmosphere, plus it didn't had unresolved plot lines that FS2 is riddled with.
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FS1 felt lengthier too, and I like that in a weird way.
The music's easier to stitch up, too. (http://cid-78eece80a0658c61.office.live.com/browse.aspx/warble%5E_fs1%20Compilations) :p