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Offline Strygon

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[IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
So I wanted to get a little more training in higher quality modelling, and decided to perhaps try my hand at upgrading some of the models that didn't get their newest and greatest coat of paint yet.
Since capships are scary, I decided to go with our favorite cannon fodder ship, the GTB Boanerges GTDr Amazon.


It's nothing impressive by all means, but hey, training is still training.
So far it's been surprisingly fun to model this lil' thing.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2020, 11:52:08 am by Strygon »
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[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
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[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
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[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

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Offline Nyctaeus

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Good start! Now follow this short tutorial and do this to your model :].

If you want to make some custom sharp edges, mark edges you want to be sharp, press Ctrl + E and select Make Sharp [will work only with autosmooth option enables].
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Offline Strygon

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Understood Nyctaeus, I've applied the setting but left it at 30° for now (not sure which degrees would give it the best look, will fiddle with it later)

The model's coming together nicely I'd say. The shape is starting to resemble the Amazon. I've sewn the wing blocks and main body together (and got rid of a bunch of trash polies). Easily my highest quality model so far.

The P3D is periodically getting updated with whatever progress I've done. If it still shows the previous model in the preview, click the rotating cube thing and it should show the current model.
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Finished Projects: Operation: Cloak and Dagger

Current Projects: Scrolls Part 2 (FREDding), Dimensional Eclipse (Art),
The First Contact War, GTDr Amazon HTL

[23:22] strypolygon: andrew
[23:22] strypolygon: i have one favor to ask of you
[23:22] strypolygon: never try speaking german again
[23:23] Andrewofdoom: No.

[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
[18:50] 島風改八百三: many duck
[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: handle it

[21:34] MP-Ryan: Why on earth would you Google this
[21:34] The_E: why would you not

[06:46] Strigon: how big is a mini-campaign again?
[06:46] Asteroth: smaller than a campaign
[06:47 ]Strigon: thanks

[05:56] Strigon: If I had to take a shot for each time I randomly decided to change the UI sounds, I'd have died of alcohol poisoning by now

[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

[EatThePath] do your missiles do anything absurd?
[Strigon] describe absurd
[Strigon] the entire mod is absurd

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Really digging how the shape is turning out. It even looks like it's being made in such a way that making a manned version (similar to Oddgrim's Scarab) would be possible.

 

Offline starlord

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
I seem to recall one mini campaign using a manned amazon. Don’t quite remember the name though.

Got it: eagle takes flight, I think.

 

Offline Strygon

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Manned Amazon sounds like one pretty neat idea. I'll see about slapping that cockpit model in there once I've finished the base model as a separate ship project.

Of course, I'll also set up downloads for both the new Amazon and derivatives once they're all finished.
I'm personally looking forward to working on the Amazon Prime Edition.  :P
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[23:22] strypolygon: andrew
[23:22] strypolygon: i have one favor to ask of you
[23:22] strypolygon: never try speaking german again
[23:23] Andrewofdoom: No.

[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
[18:50] 島風改八百三: many duck
[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: handle it

[21:34] MP-Ryan: Why on earth would you Google this
[21:34] The_E: why would you not

[06:46] Strigon: how big is a mini-campaign again?
[06:46] Asteroth: smaller than a campaign
[06:47 ]Strigon: thanks

[05:56] Strigon: If I had to take a shot for each time I randomly decided to change the UI sounds, I'd have died of alcohol poisoning by now

[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

[EatThePath] do your missiles do anything absurd?
[Strigon] describe absurd
[Strigon] the entire mod is absurd

 

Offline mjn.mixael

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Manned Amazon sounds like one pretty neat idea. I'll see about slapping that cockpit model in there once I've finished the base model as a separate ship project.

If it were me, I'd model it with the cockpit and then just replace the transparent glass texture with a yellow/black striped texture for the retail version.
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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Well, we have this thing:

FSWiki referenced this thing as concept art for GTB Zeus, but it's obviously not Zeus. I think the Amazon is actually depreciated fighter design, that was even modelled but for some reason, it was reassigned to drone role. TVWP mod actually introduced retextuted Amazon mesh as Unification War-era fighter named TF Falcon, but later it was replaced by original design.
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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Manned Amazon = Manazon?

 

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Manned Amazon = Manazon?

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Offline Strygon

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Engine thrusters, bit of fixing here and there, some extra plates and whatever the weird stuff is near the engines (with the exposed metal) is worked and nearly finished. I also added those three pipes near the engine section.

I'd say she's almost done. Certainly going to look forward to perhaps seeing it in action in-game.


EDIT: Bah, had to hotfix a couple holes that showed up in P3D but not in Blender. Be sure to report those to me if you find any, I may have missed some.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2020, 10:39:50 am by Strygon »
Makes missions sometimes.
Finished Projects: Operation: Cloak and Dagger

Current Projects: Scrolls Part 2 (FREDding), Dimensional Eclipse (Art),
The First Contact War, GTDr Amazon HTL

[23:22] strypolygon: andrew
[23:22] strypolygon: i have one favor to ask of you
[23:22] strypolygon: never try speaking german again
[23:23] Andrewofdoom: No.

[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
[18:50] 島風改八百三: many duck
[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: handle it

[21:34] MP-Ryan: Why on earth would you Google this
[21:34] The_E: why would you not

[06:46] Strigon: how big is a mini-campaign again?
[06:46] Asteroth: smaller than a campaign
[06:47 ]Strigon: thanks

[05:56] Strigon: If I had to take a shot for each time I randomly decided to change the UI sounds, I'd have died of alcohol poisoning by now

[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

[EatThePath] do your missiles do anything absurd?
[Strigon] describe absurd
[Strigon] the entire mod is absurd

 

Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
The shape is looking good so far. Are you aiming for a high-polygon version of the existing model, or a complete reimagining similar to what Nyx is doing with the Ravana?

Also...uh, if you don't mind me stating the bleeding obvious...

You're remodelling the training drone, as training to train your skills at creating high-polygon 3D models, which means that if you pull this off, we will see the fruits of your training in the Training Simulator Modules when we train our guns on the training drones.

I see no problem with that.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2020, 11:12:31 am by Androgeos Exeunt »
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Offline Strygon

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Heh heh, the irony is noted.

I think I'll play it safe for now with just doing a high poly model, though I *might* change a couple things to make it easier to model certain parts.
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[23:22] strypolygon: never try speaking german again
[23:23] Andrewofdoom: No.

[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
[18:50] 島風改八百三: many duck
[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: handle it

[21:34] MP-Ryan: Why on earth would you Google this
[21:34] The_E: why would you not

[06:46] Strigon: how big is a mini-campaign again?
[06:46] Asteroth: smaller than a campaign
[06:47 ]Strigon: thanks

[05:56] Strigon: If I had to take a shot for each time I randomly decided to change the UI sounds, I'd have died of alcohol poisoning by now

[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

[EatThePath] do your missiles do anything absurd?
[Strigon] describe absurd
[Strigon] the entire mod is absurd

 

Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
All right - sounds like a good idea.

I've had a closer look at the wireframe of the model and have a few observations to make:
  • It looks like there's a hole on the underside of the mesh, which is mirrored on the other side (amzn-1).
  • You can probably halve the polycount on the side near the cannons if you turn the triangles into quads that go from end to end (amzn-2).
  • Likewise, these two triangles can probably be turned into a single quad (amzn-3).

There's quite a number of ngons on the mesh. It may be possible to save polygons in certain places by using ngons instead of tris or quads (such as the area shown in amzn-2), but I'm not sure if it's appropriate. I guess you can get away with ngons on flat surfaces, at least.

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« Last Edit: July 08, 2020, 11:48:20 am by Androgeos Exeunt »
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Offline Nyctaeus

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Reimagining should happen only if the vanilla mesh is just a random maze of tiles, like Hecate, Aeolus or Ravana. Amazon has good quality, UV texture so all details of potential HTL model are perfectly readable. We should keep things as consistent as possible, and complete reworks should happen only when... Ehh... When it's just not possible, and vanilla mesh is a crap o__O.
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Offline Strygon

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Thanks, Androgeos. I've tried to implement most of these changes you suggested about as best as my (admittedly limited) ability lets me. Updated P3D should hopefully reflect on them nicely.
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Finished Projects: Operation: Cloak and Dagger

Current Projects: Scrolls Part 2 (FREDding), Dimensional Eclipse (Art),
The First Contact War, GTDr Amazon HTL

[23:22] strypolygon: andrew
[23:22] strypolygon: i have one favor to ask of you
[23:22] strypolygon: never try speaking german again
[23:23] Andrewofdoom: No.

[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
[18:50] 島風改八百三: many duck
[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: handle it

[21:34] MP-Ryan: Why on earth would you Google this
[21:34] The_E: why would you not

[06:46] Strigon: how big is a mini-campaign again?
[06:46] Asteroth: smaller than a campaign
[06:47 ]Strigon: thanks

[05:56] Strigon: If I had to take a shot for each time I randomly decided to change the UI sounds, I'd have died of alcohol poisoning by now

[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

[EatThePath] do your missiles do anything absurd?
[Strigon] describe absurd
[Strigon] the entire mod is absurd

 

Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Thanks, Androgeos. I've tried to implement most of these changes you suggested about as best as my (admittedly limited) ability lets me. Updated P3D should hopefully reflect on them nicely.

It does. Keep up the good work. :yes:

Reimagining should happen only if the vanilla mesh is just a random maze of tiles, like Hecate, Aeolus or Ravana. Amazon has good quality, UV texture so all details of potential HTL model are perfectly readable. We should keep things as consistent as possible, and complete reworks should happen only when... Ehh... When it's just not possible, and vanilla mesh is a crap o__O.

True - you can't fix what's broken. In some ways, it's like the various generations of a real-life vehicle model. If it looks good for its era, a minor facelift over the years is fine, but a drastic makeover isn't necessary. :nod:
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Offline Strygon

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
Alright! The model is done as far as I can tell. Will attempt to texture it tomorrow. If there's extra time, I might even graft the SHOOT ME sign into the mesh itself.
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Finished Projects: Operation: Cloak and Dagger

Current Projects: Scrolls Part 2 (FREDding), Dimensional Eclipse (Art),
The First Contact War, GTDr Amazon HTL

[23:22] strypolygon: andrew
[23:22] strypolygon: i have one favor to ask of you
[23:22] strypolygon: never try speaking german again
[23:23] Andrewofdoom: No.

[18:50] 島風改八百三: the duck has multipli
[18:50] 島風改八百三: many duck
[18:50] 島風改八百三: left side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: even side
[18:50] 島風改八百三: handle it

[21:34] MP-Ryan: Why on earth would you Google this
[21:34] The_E: why would you not

[06:46] Strigon: how big is a mini-campaign again?
[06:46] Asteroth: smaller than a campaign
[06:47 ]Strigon: thanks

[05:56] Strigon: If I had to take a shot for each time I randomly decided to change the UI sounds, I'd have died of alcohol poisoning by now

[17:36] qazwsxal: time to have some fun
[17:41] z64555: VC++5 is not my idea of fun

[EatThePath] do your missiles do anything absurd?
[Strigon] describe absurd
[Strigon] the entire mod is absurd

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
I'd reserve that for local texture value.   It would've been painted onto a real drone and it makes it easier for people/moddereeno's to change textures down the line of they need to.
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Re: [IN PROGRESS] GTDr Amazon
How about doing it like a nameplate?
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