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Community Projects => The FreeSpace Upgrade Project => Topic started by: Rodo on October 29, 2010, 10:59:53 pm
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HTL Typhon?
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HTL Typhon?
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Probably the Trashman's one. Better then retail...
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Not really, no.
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Trashman's HTL Typhon is nice, but Esarai was in progress of making a much better (though a bit weird) one.
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Trashman's 'HTL' Typhon as nice if you're blind and couldn't tell the difference anyway. All he did was smooth it all over, extrude twice near the front, and up the tiling factor.
Esarai has long abandoned his Typhon, however, ragingloli is making one with the intent of finishing it.
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Whatever method he used, it's still better than the original one.
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(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y184/VA--Twisted_Infinities/Misc/TyphonComparison.jpg)
Yeah, no. :p
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Whatever method he used, it's still better than the original one.
Hrm. Going off the above screenshot I actually can't tell the difference. :confused:
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Whatever method he used, it's still better than the original one.
Well, no. Not visually. The texture was overtiled (more so than the original) and the stuff he added did very little to actually accent the details; rather it was simply adding random greebles in arbitrary places that actually had the effect of breaking up the fluency of the design. I hear that in a blind test (using the picture linked above) most people actually thought the original one was the HTL version. I think that says enough.
I think TrashMan has made quite a few decent models, but the HTL Typhon wasn't one of them.
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Top is HTL, right?
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Top is HTL, right?
No, the top is the original.
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(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv127/lulzifer/GVD%20Typhon/typhon-wip-08.jpg)
This is ragingloli's Typhon.
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Top is HTL, right?
No, the top is the original.
Wait, are you serious?
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Top is HTL, right?
No, the top is the original.
Wait, are you serious?
100%
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Lighting is a lot better for the HTL version, because the hull is rounder. And the nose is recognizably different also.
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(http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv127/lulzifer/GVD%20Typhon/typhon-wip-08.jpg)
This is ragingloli's Typhon.
As great as this is, but where's the progress on this? I saw that pic, and the others in that gallery, several months if not years ago already.
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Wow, I forgot about this.
I didn't seen Ragingloli for some time, so it's possible that he disappeared again.
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Hello, and thank you for your message .
Unfortunately, my life has been rather busy for some time and I did not have time to do any work on the Typhon. (The latest pictures on my site are all from the course I am attending right now.)
I can not make any predictions as to when it might be finished.
This is from a week ago, when I messaged him on the progress on his model.
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Lighting is a lot better for the HTL version, because the hull is rounder.
That's only on the old per-vertex shaders, I believe, which rely on the model (but you're still wrong)
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Lighting is a lot better for the HTL version, because the hull is rounder. And the nose is recognizably different also.
Looking at the side-by-side comparison, the lighting looks better on the top one, but I'm told that's the original?
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I like the one below. It's a question of taste, it seems then.
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I dunno, man. Something about it seems to have gotten a little flatter, y'know? Like the textures don't wrap properly or the smoothing's borked or something.
I would have a modeler take a peck at it just in case.
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The top is definitely the original Typhon, fyi.
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So then, you guys would rather I just use the normal Typhon?
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I think it definitely looks better.
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I think it definitely looks better.
So say we all. :nervous:
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use esarai's or ragingloli's :P
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use esarai's or ragingloli's :P
Neither are released and AFAIK Esarai isn't going to resume work on his Typhon anytime soon.
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Does anyone even HAVE ragingloli's?
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Does anyone even HAVE ragingloli's?
Besides himself? No, but he's definitely not inactive.
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Someone should definitely get ragingloli's mesh, just for safety reasons.
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It's not like it's finished....
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I know it isn't finished, and that's not a valid reason to risk losing the mesh.
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Yes, of course. But I am of the opinion that asking an artist for unfinished work is impolite. He'll post it when he's done with it, we'll just have to wait for it. It's not like it's a pressing matter anyway.
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Posting the unfinished mesh to the public doesn't sound good, yeah, but sending it to a trustworthy modeller like Galemp seems reasonable.
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He sent us the unfinished Hatshepsut, and RGA Norris whipped that into shape quickly enough. And he sent me his unfinished Colossus, which will see release before the end of the year.
Keeping community backups of this kind of thing is a really good idea.
...Where's RagingLoli's email address? I'd like to send him the Colossus current textures so he can do his magic.
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Second (HTL) tyhpon looks like it put on a few pounds. That's the general impression I got.
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Second (HTL) tyhpon looks like it put on a few pounds...
:yes: for the metaphor.
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The "HTL" version I made basicly is just a smoother and a bit spiffied version of the original. I deliberately didn't want to break up the smoothens of the hull, as for me that's what made hte Typhon typhon... Well, that, and using the stock typhon made all those sharp angles very obvious when you turned the lightning on, and it buged me.
That said - why is the comparison pic strictly from above? That's generally the worst way to make comparisons..especially given the smoothenss of the Typhons design.
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At least from the top view, it looks like you took the original and made it more amorphous.
I'd be glad to look at any other angles of the ship though, if you post them up.
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We'd like it a lot more if the tiling factor wasn't increased and there wasn't a seam down the middle :( Also, if the hangar bays were more involved, seeing as they lost detail compared to the retail one :(
I do like certain parts of what you did, like the engine block and the lower fins.
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The tiling factor is roughly the same (except for the black-ish part)
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/513/typhoncomparison1.th.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/typhoncomparison1.jpg/)
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1029/typhoncomparison2.th.jpg) (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/typhoncomparison2.jpg/)
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Hmm. The only parts where I can say there's definite improvement are the bridge and the ends of the arms. I notice that the curves are smoother, but overall, if the poly count got jacked up quite a bit, I'm inclined to believe that lots of them were wasted in ways that it's hard to see.
The texture the thing has is also pretty terrible for details, so I guess that's part of the problem.
(Aside: Sticks with red glowpoints on them look decidedly Terran. Why are they there?)
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I have tried adding various greebling, but everything I tried just didn't feel right..and I was in a hurry to finish it, so I just decided to keep as close to the original as possible. Minimal additions.
The smoothing and lighting differences are hard to see in the tech room - the best comparisons for that would be in-mission.
Regarding the sticks....I felt the arms could use something more. As to why red...dunno. Does any other color make it more vasudany?