Hard Light Productions Forums

General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Dark_4ce on October 07, 2001, 06:20:00 pm

Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Dark_4ce on October 07, 2001, 06:20:00 pm
Allright, I aint much of a scholar on Shivans, but tell me, where do you think the Shavans come from? Was it just evolition, or was it an awful experiment by the ancients gone wrong? I go for the latter, how else would an insect like society grow a cannon for an arm?


------------------
Badges?! We don't need no stinking badges!!!
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Shrike on October 07, 2001, 06:32:00 pm
Oh geez, we have two thunders and now we have two black aces.    (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

This post serves no other purpose.    (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Edit:  Ok, dark ace, black ace... still pretty close.   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

[This message has been edited by Shrike (edited 10-07-2001).]
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: jonskowitz on October 07, 2001, 06:35:00 pm
Wherever they came from it was definately NOT the ancients.  If you remember the cutscenes from FS1 correctly it was specifically stated that the Ancients encountered the Shivans in the same manner that they had encountered many other races.

Whatever they are and wherever they came from it was definately external to the Ancients.
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 07, 2001, 07:50:00 pm
I had this really massive acid trip one day... and thensome joker plugged me into a Neural Image Projector and made a Shivan. True story.
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Setekh on October 08, 2001, 02:49:00 am
Personally, I still like to hold to the theory that the actual Shivans are like us humans, fragile and whatever, but the Shivans that we see are actually suits. What if an alien saw an astronaut, complete with white space suit and EMU? They'd probably think we were constructed too...  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: karajorma on October 08, 2001, 03:38:00 am
But when you did an autopsy on the astronaut you`d soon figure out that it was just a suit.
 The GTA did capture shivan ships and almost certainly captured shivans (dead or alive). The only way they could be in bio suits is if the GTVA knows it but hasn`t released that fact.
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Setekh on October 08, 2001, 04:03:00 am
That is classified above your clearance, pilot...
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Nico on October 08, 2001, 05:52:00 am
 
Quote
Originally posted by Setekh:
Personally, I still like to hold to the theory that the actual Shivans are like us humans, fragile and whatever, but the Shivans that we see are actually suits. What if an alien saw an astronaut, complete with white space suit and EMU? They'd probably think we were constructed too...   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Yeah, but we just know it's not: Volition themselves told us that what we saw were actual shivans and they really looked the way they are. So...
For where they come from... They come from very far I bet  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Raven2001 on October 08, 2001, 09:11:00 am
 
Quote
Originally posted by Shrike:
Oh geez, we have two thunders and now we have two black aces.     (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

This post serves no other purpose.     (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Edit:  Ok, dark ace, black ace... still pretty close.    (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

[This message has been edited by Shrike (edited 10-07-2001).]


I believe that he is Dark Force(Dark_4ce... 4=fource Dark Fource  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) )


Back on topic: I hold the theory that they are the Cosmic destroyers (and also the great perservers), so they maybe came from cosmos itself, or they came from another place... they just act too weird to be some planet like species... they seem to the personification of the Universe.... well that's my humble (and crazy...) opinion  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: aldo_14 on October 08, 2001, 09:19:00 am
 
Quote
Originally posted by Raven2001:

I believe that he is Dark Force(Dark_4ce... 4=fource Dark Fource   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) )


Back on topic: I hold the theory that they are the Cosmic destroyers (and also the great perservers), so they maybe came from cosmos itself, or they came from another place... they just act too weird to be some planet like species... they seem to the personification of the Universe.... well that's my humble (and crazy...) opinion   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Unless they transformed their home planets into a spaceship (i.e. slap on some bloody great engines).  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/devil.gif)
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Dark_4ce on October 08, 2001, 10:14:00 am
Cosmic garbage disposal? Yeah I can see that, much like that Stephen King Mini series where that airplane flies through a tear in time and they land in a stranded airfield. Then from nowhere come these flying cannonballs with teeth, chewing up all the past and useless stuff.


------------------
Badges?! We don't need no stinking badges!!!
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Eishtmo on October 08, 2001, 11:15:00 am
BARBEQUE!

BARBEQUE!

BARBEQUE!

------------------
Visit Warpstorm. ("http://www.warpstorm.com")  Do it now.

---------

I know there is a method, but all I see is madness.
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 08, 2001, 09:00:00 pm
Yeh... the first FreesSpace is apparently about how they are some kinda race assigned to punishing those who leave their chosen role in space (at least I gather fron the Reference Bible). The second is devoted to- "hey, they ain't so tough after all". 100 Sathanases v. a Hecate is nothing compared to the difference between, say, an FS1 Orion and the Lucifer.
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Unidan on October 09, 2001, 03:05:00 pm
 
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14:
Unless they transformed their home planets into a spaceship (i.e. slap on some bloody great engines).   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/devil.gif)

Kind of like the Correlian system.

Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: aldo_14 on October 09, 2001, 03:10:00 pm
 
Quote
Originally posted by Unidan:
Kind of like the Correlian system.


The what now?
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Unidan on October 09, 2001, 05:25:00 pm
Star Wars man
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Dark_4ce on October 10, 2001, 06:37:00 am
You mean Centerpoint? I think I know what you're getting at, but wasn't that some sort of interdiction field generator? Been a LONG time since I read those books.


------------------
Badges?! We don't need no stinking badges!!!
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Neon on October 10, 2001, 03:35:00 pm
I'm tired  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: aldo_14 on October 11, 2001, 04:41:00 am
 
Quote
Originally posted by Neon:
I'm tired   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

Try getting up at 7 in the morning to go to Uni - then having your lecture cancelled  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/devil.gif)
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Dark_4ce on October 11, 2001, 05:19:00 am
That ain't scary, try getting up 4:00 am in the morning to go to work and coming home around 11:00 pm and only having another 5 hours of sleep before work again. Thank god I quit that job.
 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

------------------
Badges?! We don't need no stinking badges!!!
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: WS-Thunder on October 11, 2001, 11:49:00 am
My thought is this...


They live inside some sort of nebula environment because that is the most suitable environment for them. Notice in FS2 that they mostly gathred in nebulas. They use the sun to blow up the knossos devices that lead to their homeworld or whatever. In my book of theories.
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Vertigo1 on October 11, 2001, 02:54:00 pm
 
Quote
Originally posted by Dark_4ce:
You mean Centerpoint? I think I know what you're getting at, but wasn't that some sort of interdiction field generator? Been a LONG time since I read those books.


Its also got a canon capable of hitting targets hundreds, if not thousands, of lightyears away nearly instantaneously. Its even capable of causing stars to go supernova. (source: "Agents of Chaos II: Jedi Eclipse, part of the New Jedi Order series of novels.)

------------------
"You know you've played Freespace too much when you're driving along trying to use countermeasures to shake off pursuing highway police." - Top Gun

Material Defender Studios ("http://www.mdstudios.f2s.com/index.html")
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Setekh on October 11, 2001, 11:03:00 pm
 
Quote
Originally posted by WS-Thunder:
They live inside some sort of nebula environment because that is the most suitable environment for them. Notice in FS2 that they mostly gathred in nebulas. They use the sun to blow up the knossos devices that lead to their homeworld or whatever. In my book of theories.

Yeh, that's an idea I suppose - but then again, in FS1, we didn't have nebulae.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: "and then a shivan comes along!"
Post by: Stryke 9 on October 12, 2001, 12:03:00 am
Pnaaaag?
What I don't get, if the Shivans were just afraid of aliens:
1. why do they keep attacking everyone else?
2. why are they still afraid after being the only known species with the ability to blow up planets, stars, etc.? They're obviously the big kids on the block.

I think the idea advanced by the Ancients monologue is supposed to be the canon one, although humans could also just be in season every 32 years...