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Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: adwight on February 18, 2002, 07:47:28 pm: Earlier today, I put the Colossus vs. a Lucifer destroyer. I changed the two beams on the Lucy to LReds, and left the Colossus the same. At the end of the battle, the Lucifer came out victorius, with only the Colossus doing 49% damage to it. Is it just me or does the Colossus suck?
Title: Re: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Grey Wolf on February 18, 2002, 08:04:49 pm: Quote
Originally posted by adwight
Is it just me or does the Colossus suck?
It sucks.
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: 67th GW Leader on February 18, 2002, 08:07:47 pm: well, if you look at the Volition missions, you'll notice that in that Santhanas VS Colossus mission, it has LRBGreens alloverda place, and in some other missions, it has the odd LRBGreen or BFGreen... which is confusing... :p

PS Yes, it sucks, it is a 6.1 km long paperweight... it's turning point is in it's ASS, so it kinda twacks everything infront of it when it turns.... which looks.................. DUMB.... oh, and, i hate it. I like the Orion and Hecate. :)
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Thorn on February 18, 2002, 08:11:37 pm: it looks like a water pistol....
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Xelion on February 18, 2002, 09:02:44 pm: Terrans build there design according to beam specs: section35 division426...which means that beams are technically positioned in the best strategic place. Vasudans have it quite similar...but Shivans having focused their attention in the power region so it can destroy a ship quickly..:D
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Vortex on February 19, 2002, 06:08:46 am: "12 Lucifer class destroyers can fit in its massive hull"

And yet...
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Fury on February 19, 2002, 07:23:31 am: Hey guys... remember that Colossus default armament is pretty weak, but in several FS2 missions Colossus did put more power on it's weapons, and [V] used bigger and badder beams for those missions.

If you have to, replace all anti-cap ship beams with LRBGreens and see results. ;)

Edit: Almost posted a new thread! Fix the damn buttons already! :(
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Nico on February 19, 2002, 07:47:31 am: Quote
Originally posted by Mr. Fury
Hey guys... remember that Colossus default armament is pretty weak, but in several FS2 missions Colossus did put more power on it's weapons, and [V] used bigger and badder beams for those missions.

If you have to, replace all anti-cap ship beams with LRBGreens and see results. ;)

Edit: Almost posted a new thread! Fix the damn buttons already! :(

In fact, I think it's all the engine's fault. The colossus was supposed to have much more turrets than it actually has ( just look at the cutscene). They would have given all the turrets it was supposed to have, the colossus would actually be a very good ship ( of course, give 90 turrets to any ship and it will be good...)
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: 67th GW Leader on February 19, 2002, 11:16:41 am: To be honest... i like the FRONT end of the Colossus, it just looks.... cool!

i like the long fuselage bit, that looks kewl.... i like the midsection a bit... but i hate that long engine in the middle.... i think it should have been TWO small ones jutting down... like: ^ That would have looked kewl.
I don't like those bit engines on the back, they are badly skinned... i reckon it should have been skinned to look 50% Terran 50% Vasudan!

But the colossus is TOO BIG, i reckon it should have been... 5.0 or 4.5 km long...

Well, thats my opinion on the colossus, it was too big to enter into any mission. haha. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Re: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: vadar_1 on February 19, 2002, 01:36:36 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
It sucks.

Thats why I was cheering for the Repulse to win, to but when it failed, I "aided" the Sathanas to win. No more Colossus
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Blue Lion on February 19, 2002, 02:14:45 pm: I'd rather have a few destoyers than 1 Colossus
Title: Tactics etc
Post by: Mad Bomber on February 19, 2002, 04:14:44 pm: The Colossus failed because the GTVA didn't expect to deal with anything bigger than another Lucifer. It was designed to deal with a bunch of small ships (i.e. clearing up NTFish rebellions and the like) rather than dealing with Sathanae.

Remember that, when it did use its full power, it almost melted its heatsinks. So its standard armament is crappy, yes.

The tactics of pooling all that firepower into one big expensive package are all wrong too. The Colossus can deal with some big targets, yes, but it can't be in more than one place at a time. So saving time, effort, and resources by building a ton of smaller, more expendable ships is the better way to go IMO.

Pack a bunch of extra firepower onto those smaller ships (cruisers, dropships, corvettes) and you get a powerful and mobile, yet cheap and expendable, war fleet. Thus, anticap cruisers are l33t. :D
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: an0n on February 19, 2002, 04:45:38 pm: Someone should put Luci against a Sath.

Quote
Location: A log cabin in Utah...

:eek: :D :D :yes:
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Grey Wolf on February 19, 2002, 07:37:03 pm: Quote
Originally posted by an0n
Someone should put Luci against a Sath.
What would it's arnament be?
Title: nope
Post by: Alikchi on February 19, 2002, 09:41:09 pm: The Luci loses, even when its armament is BFReds in place of the Superlasers. The Sath has just too much armor for even BFReds to hurt it very much.
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Galemp on February 19, 2002, 09:41:52 pm: LuciferBeams! :thepimp:

Lookie here. (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,5240.0.html)
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Grey Wolf on February 19, 2002, 09:46:54 pm: Just wondering, are going to make the Lucy's flux cannons into actual beams in your port?
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Galemp on February 19, 2002, 09:47:36 pm: Yes. Check out the last screenshot in that thread.
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: WMCoolmon on February 19, 2002, 10:32:46 pm: YES!!! THEY KNOW ABOUT THE BUTTONS BEING REVERSED!!!
(Just before someone comments about this... ;))
Title: Colossus vs. Lucifer
Post by: Setekh on February 20, 2002, 04:38:49 am: Thread merged. This is easy. :D